Tejas Mark 1a tranformation into Mark 2 latest pictures

[KapitaanAli]

From what i hear from the Indians that Tejas is already been rejected by IN , if there are no Orders from the IAF or IN so will the GoP will just shove Tejas down their throats ?

my Point is been MK2 been the ultimate plane, cause it will be foolish of IAF to not upgrade all those old existing Tejas to Mk2 Standards, the point it should carry a good package with it in order to stay relevant after a decade .

No, J-10 Doors are close forever, if you follow up JF threads you'll know that JF evolution has taken the same path as J-10 , there is no need for J-10 but additional JF and F-16 ( if Possible ) .

IN didn't reject the LCA-N. They said that it won't be inducted in the current form since it can't jump with full load. But they're prototypes, of which only two exist. Indeed, the project took a hit in the last two three years, but it's back on track now with trials resuming. The hook was tested recently multiple times. The operational version will differ.
You've to note that the naval version is a very different machine. Can't be compared to the AF LCA, Tejas.

GoI has no need to force it on the AF. It needed some convincing to have them induct the non-FOC Mk1, that's all. But IAF can't wait to have a higher production rate and the Mk1A first flight.

Mk1/Mk1A cannot be upgraded to Mk2. Mk1 will be upgraded to Mk1A and then retire, thus completing its duty of kickstarting the industry, giving birth to Mk2 and AMCA.

 

[YeBeWarned]

IN didn't reject the LCA-N. They said that it won't be inducted in the current form since it can't jump with full load. But they're prototypes, of which only two exist. Indeed, the project took a hit in the last two three years, but it's back on track now with trials resuming. The hook was tested recently multiple times. The operational version will differ.
You've to note that the naval version is a very different machine. Can't be compared to the AF LCA, Tejas.

GoI has no need to force it on the AF. It needed some convincing to have them induct the non-FOC Mk1, that's all. But IAF can't wait to have a higher production rate and the Mk1A first flight.

Mk1/Mk1A cannot be upgraded to Mk2. Mk1 will be upgraded to Mk1A and then retire, thus completing its duty of kickstarting the industry, giving birth to Mk2 and AMCA.

I guess good luck to India and Tejas

 

[danger007]

Depends on that package they are holding, PAF will most likely start replacing F-16's around 2028 , with either Project AZM or TF-X from Turkey . MK2 will have to beat F-16V , Gripen E/F in order to stay relevant in late 2020's .

I think block 52 gonna stay little longer than 2030, and azm by 2028 may not happen... 5th gen need tons of cash, and research... at current pak economic condition, that project may throw into deep crisis...

 

[YeBeWarned]

I think block 52 gonna stay little longer than 2030, and azm by 2028 may not happen... 5th gen need tons of cash, and research... at current pak economic condition, that project may throw into deep crisis...

Not really, Pakistan is not lucky enough to get their hands on western made 5th generation ,we have to come up with a JV with China or Turkey , F-16 block 15/40 are oldest , they were MLU'd to Block 52 standard but they will be the first to retire, replaced by a Medium weight Multi-role Fighter . as per News within next 6 months we will start seeing block 3 of JF, it will take additional 3 years to get the desired numbers for PAF ( excluding the Export orders ) , and if experts to be believed JF will continue to block 4 .. with little structural changes but more internal + EW capabilities of Block 3 .. PAF most resources will be diverted to Project AZM . unless PAF decides to get SU or J-Series , EF-T2/3 as a stop gap .

 

[danger007]

Not really, Pakistan is not lucky enough to get their hands on western made 5th generation ,we have to come up with a JV with China or Turkey , F-16 block 15/40 are oldest , they were MLU'd to Block 52 standard but they will be the first to retire, replaced by a Medium weight Multi-role Fighter . as per News within next 6 months we will start seeing block 3 of JF, it will take additional 3 years to get the desired numbers for PAF ( excluding the Export orders ) , and if experts to be believed JF will continue to block 4 .. with little structural changes but more internal + EW capabilities of Block 3 .. PAF most resources will be diverted to Project AZM . unless PAF decides to get SU or J-Series , EF-T2/3 as a stop gap .

5th gen program is no joke... PAF budget is very low... not much funds to divert.. be realistic... you are not going to get 5th gen from west... gonna end up with chinese or turkish* ... jf 17 block takes time you need to induct block 2 first ...

 

[YeBeWarned]

5th gen program is no joke... PAF budget is very low... not much funds to divert.. be realistic... you are not going to get 5th gen from west... gonna end up with chinese or turkish* ... jf 17 block takes time you need to induct block 2 first ...

No one is claiming it to be a Joke, but we have announced it, and you don't have to worry about PAF budget, as i mentioned if PAF does not go for any Stop Gap fighters than we will have money to divert of FGF program, as for block 2, its production is running for export orders from Myanmar and Nigeria , PAF block-2 are in last stages of Assembly ,and close to testing , within 6 months you will see first block 3 . Again as i said we are not lucky to get Western 5th Gen fighter so we are building our own with Chinese and possibly Turkish help which has access to Western Technologies .

 

[Storm Force]

Everything will become clearer in next two years .

Mark 1,fights are here already
Mark 1a start arriving2020 with cockpit improvements to mark One.

The bug decision us mark two versus gripen e or block seventy .

Judging by Indian noises their is serious desire to end overses fighter acquisition in next decade .

Not completely but lower end .

Loom at our navy we produce everything now

Air Force will follow when we privatise and remove hal monopoly

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Where is the air wortiness certificate issued by governering body of air traffic

Google it.
CEMILAC had given the airworthiness certificate to Tejas a long time back, before it was even inducted.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The bug decision us mark two versus gripen e or block seventy .

Judging by Indian noises their is serious desire to end overses fighter acquisition in next decade .

The noise and desires of LCA fanboys is irrelevant.
What is relevant is the need of IAF and the funding the Indian Government will provide.
IAF has already stated that the LCA is inferior, even in Mk1a version.
The Indian Government does not believe it can afford to reequip with Rafale.
They focus on importing lower cost single engine fighters while pretending to accept also dual engine fighters to avoid criticism from opposition.
If the current government gets replaced after the next election they will phase the same problem.

Long term, Indian companies will benefit, if the equipment is designed and manufactured locally, but to sell out the security of the country, and the lives of pilots of IAF may not be the best of ideas. It may even be considered treasonous.

 

[Storm Force]

The noise and desires of LCA fanboys is irrelevant.
What is relevant is the need of IAF and the funding the Indian Government will provide.
IAF has already stated that the LCA is inferior, even in Mk1a version.
The Indian Government does not believe it can afford to reequip with Rafale.
They focus on importing lower cost single engine fighters while pretending to accept also dual engine fighters to avoid criticism from opposition.
If the current government gets replaced after the next election they will phase the same problem.

Long term, Indian companies will benefit, if the equipment is designed and manufactured locally, but to sell out the security of the country, and the lives of pilots of IAF may not be the best of ideas. It may even be considered treasonous.

Security of India is being guaranteed by Indian designed and mass manufactured weapons already .

Be it Agni ballistic missles
Brahmos cruise missile
Arrihant nuclear subs
Kolkatta and talwar class destroyers

The success of our navy and missile programme will be matched Tejss

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Security of India is being guaranteed by Indian designed and mass manufactured weapons already .

Be it Agni ballistic missles
Brahmos cruise missile
Arrihant nuclear subs
Kolkatta and talwar class destroyers

The success of our navy and missile programme will be matched Tejss

Said as a real fanboy.
Your list is no argument for Tejas. It has to motivate its own existence.

 

[帅的一匹]

Indians are not good at engineering, only good at hypes.

and we should wait for Tejas MK100.

in the mean while, PAF had inducted 150 more Jf 17.

Said as a real fanboy.
Your list is no argument for Tejas. It has to motivate its own existence.

he is a real fan.boy.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Indians are not good at engineering, only good at hypes.

and we should wait for Tejas MK100.

in the mean while, PAF had inducted 150 more Jf 17.

he is a real fan.boy.

The JF-17 is not designed by Pakistan, even if PAF did provide input to its definition,
and PAC mostly manufactures part of the fuselage.
If Pakistan/JF-17 is compared to India/Su-30MKI, I am afraid Pakistan is left in the dust.

The JF-17 is a cheap alternative for those that cannot afford a real fighter.
As a replacement of fighters from the 1950s/60s it is OK, and for Pakistan it gives
control over availability, and the capability to improve it to reduce the gap to real fighters.
It is however nothing to boast about.

The Tejas is much more ambitious than the JF-17, but the end result shows the lack of experience of the Indian aviation industry. This is what happens in most human activities when something new is attempted. What remains to be seen is whether India will learn from the experience, and improve enough to be state of the art.

 

[帅的一匹]

The JF-17 is not designed by Pakistan, even if PAF did provide input to its definition,
and PAC mostly manufactures part of the fuselage.
If Pakistan/JF-17 is compared to India/Su-30MKI, I am afraid Pakistan is left in the dust.

The JF-17 is a cheap alternative for those that cannot afford a real fighter.
As a replacement of fighters from the 1950s/60s it is OK, and for Pakistan it gives
control over availability, and the capability to improve it to reduce the gap to real fighters.
It is however nothing to boast about.

The Tejas is much more ambitious than the JF-17, but the end result shows the lack of experience of the Indian aviation industry. This is what happens in most human activities when something new is attempted. What remains to be seen is whether India will learn from the experience, and improve enough to be state of the art.

Tejas doesnt have much advantage when it face Jf17 BLKIII. and you dont need to flatter Indians too much just because you wanna promote Gripen. as i had said: Sweden is nobody in international politics, Indians wont buy jets from you.

i appreciate yout perseverance, but it just wont help.

 

[Quibbler]

Tejas doesnt have much advantage when it face Jf17 BLKIII. and you dont need to flatter Indians too much just because you wanna promote Gripen. as i had said: Sweden is nobody in international politics, Indians wont buy jets from you.

i appreciate yout perseverance, but it just wont help.

Such a heartburn. The truth a bit too much ? eh