Tehran won't allow India to use Chabahar port to undermine Pakistan, say Iranian diplomats

[BATMAN]

every country has spies working in their Consulates and Embassies , now this is a Port either we like it or not Indians are and will be sending RA&W agents through the Chahbar , but with good Diplomacy we can convince Iran to keep a good eye on Indians in Chahbar and close by Areas .

Or vice versa... we find 10 - 20 Saudis and station them in Gawadar. In this situation its Iran who will be forced to deal with Pakistan diplomatically !!!

OK Iran so can we trust these Iranians that no more Kulboshan type indian terrorist will cross to Pakistan using Iran soil?

I wonder we cant .....Pakistan should still be careful indians making these Iranians fool.

If Indian can be trusted, Jinnah didn't need to demand separate homeland for Muslims.
Now, It's our choice... either we build upon the experience of our ancestors or we discard all of past history and carryon with experimenting with Indians from scratch.

It is easier for India to send spy through India Pakistan border than spending additional money and crossing through Iran...

It's even more convenient and cheaper for India to send aid to Afghanistan via Pakistan, instead of spending $millions to build a port and use it to ship occasional wheat aid.

As you correctly mentioned, it took Europe YEARS before they realised it's useless to keep on fighting. Unfortunately, we still have many years to go for that kinda enlightenment

We allowed mother /wife and RAW officials to visit Kulbhoshan Yadev.
If you have better ideas, on how Pakistan can contribute to peace, please share.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

1. Pak media is not trustworthy.

2. The role of Chabahar was never to undermine Pakistan in any way. It serves two purposes- to reach Russia and Europe via the North South route, and to bypass Pak completely when it comes to Afghanistan. It will streamline trade for both India and Iran.

3. As for your pindi paranoia- The Chabahar port wouldn't be of great significance for docking any Indian Navy vessels for use against Pakistan. The proximity to Pakistan, lack of our own defenses, easier observational ability for Pakistan and that it would mean placing high value assets in the hands of a third party in case of war - all seem like risky options. From a naval point of view the Arabian sea and the coastal areas of Pakistan are already pretty much dominated by the IN.

4. India is to Chabahar- what China is to Gwadar. Thats the hard to swallow truth for you.

Now hold that L tight.

That limits the Indian usage to heavily subsidised wheat exports to Afghanistan. What a game changer.

Now, China, Russia and Iran have warned India to not cause problems in the region, which is clearly a message that Iran, Central Asia and of course Afghanistan cannot be used for the purpose of US objectives in the region.

Kindly do elaborate and provide some sources for these warnings.
Also try cut the use of "game changer". You guys have overused it to death describing CPEC.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

When we can detach... we can percieve.

This Iranian port and allowing India access to it is a strategic bargaining chip for the strategists in Tehran... against Pak.
It keeps Pak on its toes.. so they calculate and would keep Pak in line for them..so they think... in the ME theatre.

Therefore, in a way, Iran is trying to use the India card against Pak. Also, as a buffer against the elements who use certain groups in Pak Balochistan against Iran in secterian tango....

And certainly this Iranian port keeps India tied to Iran and not become fully allied in the US led consortium. So obviously Iran plays Pak card against India in the same move.

It is nothing personal (seen from Iranian angle) just pure geopolitics in a cut throat world of emerging global order. All secterianism is a tool to advance geostrategic interests.. playing tribe against tribe is forte of empires.....


Gawadar is a different ball game altogether and wouldn't be undermined so easily by the Iranian port economically. Besides Iran would be happy if it can sell gas to China via Pak. And to India under the sea or through ships... Win-Win for Iranians....at least so they think.....

Surely, Iranians would make efforts not to sabotage CPEC by allowing Indian services a freer hand... but a certain leniency is quite clear. Again this keeps Pak preoccupied within, consuming all its energies and delaying its potential!

{ But sheer incompetence and corruption of Pak political class cann't be overlooked either... It just makes the lives of the other players in the region a bit easier... all fair in the game of great power marathon }


Hopefully, Pak security managers and long term strategic scenarios planners have covered all the bases on this one.

And certainly one hopes that these managers of Pak state would also clearly SEE that Iran sees itself as Persia of the old age... they conduct themselves as such.... as great power.... Iran remains a beautiful country regardless!

However, Pak is a far greater power in its own right.... only and only if Pak can focus on economy, economy, economy... Pak is inheritor state of a Great Civilisation..in the same league as ancient Sumer/Eygpt.

People should wonder deeply... who would have it in their interests not to see Pak as a great South West Asian power of global consequence?

If people can percieve this clearly...then terrorism sponsors in Pak become more than one state... Something to ponder upon in solitude!

In the end there is ONLY one eternal friend that Pak has... and that is Pak State and Pak People.
Rely on NONE.

@Khafee @Irfan Baloch @DESERT FIGHTER @MastanKhan @RescueRanger @Slav Defence @Horus @The Eagle @WebMaster @hellfire

 

[UnitedPak]

Please elaborate?

Kindly do elaborate and provide some sources for these warnings.
Also try cut the use of "game changer". You guys have overused it to death describing CPEC.

Pretty self explanatory.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1140643

Hope Dawn is trustworthy enough. Your fellow countrymen cite it a lot.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Pretty self explanatory.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1140643

Dawn, your favorite media outlet too.

The story has moved on quite a bit since this article was written.

Chabahar is not an India exclusive, it is not an India owned port. Other countries participating in the North South route will use it too. India is not planning to dock any naval vessels there, not that they are allowed to either.

Pakistan is free to use it to- provided you have trade with Iran or dont't use OBOR itself to trade with Europe. Its an oppurtunity for you too. Infact I would argue and say that Iran would love to see you trade through it. Thats why these developments are happening. Meanwhile India is watching out for it's own trade routes. Its a win win.

Its works in harmony with China's CPEC. Doesn't cause Gwadar any disruption.

Why is there hostility and paranoia?

 

[UnitedPak]

The story has moved on quite a bit since this article was written.

For a guy asking me for sources, you sure do know how to respond with pointless uninformed one liners.

The very first thing India did with an operational Chabahar this year was to gift wheat to Afghans. All the bravado and rhetoric aside, I think Indian leaders are well aware of their limits when it involves Central Asia and the real players in the region. Iranians and Russians have spoken.

Pakistan is free to use it to- provided you have trade with Iran or dont't use OBOR itself to trade with Europe. Its an oppurtunity for you too. Infact I would argue and say that Iran would love to see you trade through it. Thats why these developments are happening

Why would Iranians care if Pakistan uses OBOR?

 

[SorryNotSorry]

For a guy asking me for sources, you sure do know how to respond with pointless uninformed one liners.

The very first thing India did with an operational Chabahar this year was to gift wheat to Afghans. All the bravado and rhetoric aside, I think Indian leaders are well aware of their limits when it involves Central Asia and the real players in the region. Iranians and Russians have spoken.

Yes please. Enlighten me and show me the above mentioned warnings from Russia and Iran.

 

[UnitedPak]

Yes please. Enlighten me and show me the above mentioned warnings from Russia and Iran.

There are multiple active topics in the forum on Russian and Iranian responses to Indian leadership on the topic of CPEC. I suggest you get reading.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

There are multiple active topics in the forum on Russian and Iranian responses to Indian leadership on the topic of CPEC. I suggest you get reading.

You mentioned warnings from Iran and Russia. Sadly, i couldnt find any such "warnings" on PDF. Do post the links if and when you happen to stumble across these warning threads.

 

[BATMAN]

Pretty self explanatory.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1140643

Hope Dawn is trustworthy enough. Your fellow countrymen cite it a lot.

Pretty unbelievable, as well.

Blogger is trying hard to make us believe, that someone has invested billions to build a port just to push Indian wheat to Pakistani markets via Afghanistan, using Chabahar port.

After reading such obvious nonsensical, I can only pray for my country men.

 

[UnitedPak]

Pretty unbelievable, as well.

Blogger is trying hard to make us believe, that someone has invested billions to build a port just to push Indian wheat to Pakistani markets via Afghanistan, using Chabahar port.

After reading such obvious nonsensical, I can only pray for my country men.

You missed the point then. I am sure they had plenty of intentions for the port, but given the political realities, they are only capable of shoving wheat through for now.
Besides, I am sure you understand the economic viability of competing with Pakistan without subsidies.

You mentioned warnings from Iran and Russia. Sadly, i couldnt find any such "warnings" on PDF. Do post the links if and when you happen to stumble across these warning threads.

After all the incessant whinging about CPEC and your so called sovereignty, then you have a Russian official standing in your country telling you to get involved. That does sound like a warning not to sabotage the project at the very least.

Ignorance is bliss

 

[BATMAN]

You missed the point then. I am sure they had plenty of intentions for the port, but given the political realities, they are only capable of shoving wheat through for now.
Besides, I am sure you understand the economic viability of competing with Pakistan without subsidies.

Well, than they just smoked $millions on poor commercial feasibility.
Isn't is this amazing that no one in India is vindicated for this blunder of their history.

 

[UnitedPak]

Well, than they just smoked $millions on poor commercial feasibility.
Isn't is this amazing that no one in India is vindicated for this blunder of their history.

Not sure why you are being sarcastic. Go back to any old Chabahar material and the idea back then was simple. India would gain access to Central Asia, project influence, control the situation in Afghanistan, isolate Pakistan etc etc.
They have toned down a lot since. Now it would appear that Russia and Iran are against the idea of India destabilizing OBOR and CPEC. Iran has suggested multiple times to connect Chabahar with Gwadar and by extension CPEC. Where do you think that leaves Indian plans to isolate CPEC?

Modi admittedly wanted to target Balochistan. It does look like an expensive blunder if they can't meet any of the original objectives.

Subsidised wheat it is.

 

[newb3e]

Dear Amir Liaquat chela /laal topi pendu,
If you can't take part in a civil discussion, or make on topic contributions - I suggest you stay off the thread.
Regards

Discussing with delusional safronis is stuoidity!! You brains are high on modi bs..you people will just bark and bark and bark and bark and bark some more and more and on and on and on and on with your bs logic and your bs facts and your figures and yes your bs chest thumping jee tv delusion!!

So please safroni take your chaadi to some indian forum please!

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Not sure why you are being sarcastic. Go back to any old Chabahar material and the idea back then was simple. India would gain access to Central Asia, project influence, control the situation in Afghanistan, isolate Pakistan etc etc.
They have toned down a lot since. Now it would appear that Russia and Iran are against the idea of India destabilizing OBOR and CPEC. Iran has suggested multiple times to connect Chabahar with Gwadar and by extension CPEC. Where do you think that leaves Indian plans to isolate CPEC?

Modi admittedly wanted to target Balochistan. It does look like an expensive blunder if they can't meet any of the original objectives.

Subsidised wheat it is.

Wow youre full of bs.
India doesnt own Chabahar. It has some SEZs there. Go ahead send cargo though it. Look up the north south route and how Chabahar fits in. Supposedly it'll be operational in 2018 sometime. I'll be sure to tag you on that thread.
Half knowledge is dangerous bud.