Tayyip Erdoan: “We will raise a religious generation”

[Bhairava]

Or maybe after Sindh and Punjab were conquered by Bin Qasim, and the Muslims started to rule, they eventually turned to the greater side on their own

You know what..Arabs were *** kicked out of the SC by the Rajputs and were the least sucessful of all invaders.

And no, most of the people adopted Islam for the fear of persecution, status, inability to pay jaziya and such material gains and not for spiritual pursuits. FACT.

Besides, when I say forced conversions don't exist I mean they don't exist as per Islamic law or teachings.

Who gives a damn as to what your holy book says in theory when every word of it is violated in practise ?

Forced conversions exist and except perhaps Arabs, most others were converted to Islam only by coercion, threat of discrimination or life.

 

[Icewolf]

I would love to visit Masjid al-Aqsa it holds great importance to Islam.

You know what..Arabs were *** kicked out of the SC by the Rajputs and were the least sucessful of all invaders.

And no, most of the people adopted Islam for the fear of persecution, status, inability to pay jaziya and such material gains and not for spiritual pursuits. FACT.



Who gives a damn as to what your holy book says in theory when every word of it is violated in practise ?

Forced conversions exist and except perhaps Arabs, most others were converted to Islam only by coercion, threat of discrimination or life.

Dude most of the Mughal invaders were very sympathetic to Hindus that is why Hinduism exists...

 

[DRaisinHerald]

And no, most of the people adopted Islam for the fear of persecution, status, inability to pay jaziya and such material gains and not for spiritual pursuits. FACT.

How do you know? Were you present there at the time? And how come they were the least successful when they eventually, gradually (centuries later albeit), ended up ruling most of the Subcontinent?

Besides, did you know under Islam minorities are not to be persecuted? Did you know Jizya is a state tax minorities pay and in return get state protection; they don't even need to do anything.
Did you know under Islam minorities are not obliged to give charity/zakah which all Muslims are obliged to? And traditionally Zakah is far more heavy (2.5% of entire wealth) than the rather minor Jizya.
Did you know under Islam they are allowed to own prayer houses, have sex outside marriage, marry however they like, eat whatever the crap they like?
Did you know under Islam all Muslim males of said Nation are obliged to join war when/if it breaks out; while no such obligations exist for the minorities?

NO you didn't, coz your just a troll on this forum to vent your anger out and shine your ignorance on everyone's faces

conversions exist and except perhaps Arabs, most others were converted to Islam only by coercion, threat of discrimination or life.

Go read Islamic history, or the Sirah (prophetic biography); then you'll know how Islam spread Reading books by so called western (Christian-Jewish as they happen to be) "intellectuals"

Who gives a damn as to what your holy book says in theory when every word of it is violated in practise

Of course you'd say that, now because Islam doesn't appear so Evil anymore
But apart from you, I say all Muslims and most non-Muslims would care as to what Islam says

Dude most of the Mughal invaders were very sympathetic to Hindus that is why Hinduism exists...

If Muslims were even as half as bad as they claim we are, Hinduism would not exist as of today; we had great chances to force convert or kill all Hindus in the region, but didn't.

 

[Pakistanisage]

LOL..seriously ? who knows, there is a fat chance your forefathers were forced to convert to Islam at the sword tip of the Turks or Afghans who invaded the sub-continent...

You cannot change someone's beliefs by force. Muslims ruled India for almost a Millenium. If what you contend is true than there would'nt have been a single Hindu left in India. Come on , make some sense.

 

[RayKalm]

How is NATO not going to let something which concerns Turkey happen? We didn't permit USA enter Iraq through Turkey, that shows that we are not someones pawn. We are an independent and strong country, one of the few in world. And who is US to dictate us on this matter?

Not to burst your bubble. But the US and the west dictates a lot of yours moves - forgein mostly.

 

[RayKalm]

Turkish Atheist Student against the islamic Headscarfe (ENGLISH SUBTITLE) - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjof5hH90yo&feature=related

 

[Targon]

@DRaisinHerald

Of course everybody had the right to tell their views to others, but what I'm trying to saying is majority of the muslims not aware of that, even here you can see how people treats atheists, saying how terrible they're, have no right to call themselves Turks. Nobody should discriminate others for their beliefs, include Atheists.

Also, Islam spread through the different reasons, at least among Turks, some become muslim because of wars, some become muslim because of political reason, such as Oghuz, they become muslim to end the hostility with muslims since they were hostile with their northren brothers too, Volga Bulgars is a good example too, they become muslims to get help from muslims againts pressure of Khazars, some become muslims via the clerics, some become muslims because theirl eaders converted.

 

[King Solomon]

He is right. Turkey should have what Islam teaches - neither ultra-liberalism nor religious extremism. It is already close to that.

Some people are making fun of this initiative to make Turkey more religious. As long as a balance is struck by Erdogan it should be the best. Turkey once was a ultra-liberal country and we all know it didn't work well that way, marred by political destabilization and coups. Only since Erdogan balanced religiousness and ultra-liberalism in the last decade did Turkey progress significantly. All the best for Erdogan and Turkey.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Turkish Atheist Student against the islamic Headscarfe (ENGLISH SUBTITLE) - YouTube

Turkey's Muslim Influence in Austria - CBN.com - YouTube

Funny girl, she is against Islam, she wears Che Guevara.

She acts against one political side, she blames Islam. But at same time she hold Communism and Che higher, showing it openly. First she should lower her own "ego" or whatever, to judge others.

He is right. Turkey should have what Islam teaches - neither ultra-liberalism nor religious extremism. It is already close to that.

Some people are making fun of this initiative to make Turkey more religious. As long as a balance is struck by Erdogan it should be the best. Turkey once was a ultra-liberal country and we all know it didn't work well that way, marred by political destabilization and coups. Only since Erdogan balanced religiousness and ultra-liberalism in the last decade did Turkey progress significantly. All the best for Erdogan and Turkey.

What is religion?

How could the one be religious?

Is everything we in Islam, truely in Islam?

Tayyip Erdoğan: “We will raise a religious generation”

Hey Jew, is your avatar yourself or your girlfriend?

 

[Targon]

He is right. Turkey should have what Islam teaches - neither ultra-liberalism nor religious extremism. It is already close to that.

Some people are making fun of this initiative to make Turkey more religious. As long as a balance is struck by Erdogan it should be the best. Turkey once was a ultra-liberal country and we all know it didn't work well that way, marred by political destabilization and coups. Only since Erdogan balanced religiousness and ultra-liberalism in the last decade did Turkey progress significantly. All the best for Erdogan and Turkey.

I don't think Erdogan trying to balance anything, he simply makes state gradually more religious, remove of the military threat will be accelerate that.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

The prayer is one of the most important truths in Islam. It is one of the 5 pillars of Faith. It is obligatory for a Muslim to bow to his God, Allah (swt) five times a day. The closest time to God, Allah (swt) for a Muslim is during prayer, on the Sajdah. The best of Du'as can be made when you do Sajdah (but only in Sunnah (Sünnet in Turkish) prayers, not Fardh (Farz in Türkish)).
A prayer is not nessearily to be prayen in the Masjid (Mescid in Turkish). But it is more virtious and recommended to pray it in the Masjid.

Modern life surely allows a man to do the prayer, that's not enough of an excuse. Every man (I've heard of and seen) could spare 5 minute of his time to the prayer.

The prayer is also a very unique social activity, where there is no difference between the poor and the rich or ethnicity.

Afterall it is the foundation and beauty of Islam.

I ll pass lluffy 500, i ll answer to you.

Where does it say: do namaz 5 times?

 

[regular]

How is NATO not going to let something which concerns Turkey happen? We didn't permit USA enter Iraq through Turkey, that shows that we are not someones pawn. We are an independent and strong country, one of the few in world. And who is US to dictate us on this matter?

Excellent bro!! Excellent ...thats what we all Muslim countries needz to be independant and strong can't be bowed down to the western interests.....

 

[PteX]

Judaism is the root of every Abrahamic religion, not even Muslim scholars deny that.
You just have to look into any history book to know how people were forced to convert, how non-muslims were treated in most Muslim countries, and how they used swords to force conversions.

Turkey would do well to rid themselves of AKP before they start chopping off hands for stealing, and stoning people for out-of-wedlock relations.
Unless you like those things, then good luck.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Turkish Atheist Student against the islamic Headscarfe (ENGLISH SUBTITLE) - YouTube

Turkey's Muslim Influence in Austria - CBN.com - YouTube

The first girl is probably Deno, she makes as much sense as Deno at least. Siding with Jews who kill thousands of innocent children. That is exactly what i expect from such a person. At least we know the traitors withing our lines now.

 

[Selim I]

I ll pass lluffy 500, i ll answer to you.

Where does it say: do namaz 5 times?

What you should know is that the Qur'an does not contain details of all the rules. The Qur'an mentions many rules, but it also tells us that the Sunnah is a source of evidence in which many rules are mentioned in detail that are not mentioned in the Qur'an. Allah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“… and We have also sent down to you (O Muhammad) the reminder and the advice (the Qur'an), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them and that they may give thought.” [al-Nahl 16:44]

And also:
“… and whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it…” [al-Hashr 59:7]

For example, it is neither to find the details of how the prayers has to be formed and prayed. We have been tought all these by none except Muhammad (pbuh).

So the detail of "5" comes from Hadith's. But if you are a good analyzer, you can also deduct it in the Qur'an. For example this Ayah:

In the Tafseer of this Ayah, it is reported that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The five daily prayers are (mentioned) in the Qur'an.” He was asked, “Where?” He said, “Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘So glorify Allah when you come up to the evening’ is maghrib and ‘isha’; ‘and when you enter the morning’ is fajr; ‘in the afternoon’ is ‘asr; and ‘the time when the day begins to decline’ is zuhr.” Other mufassireen, such as al-Dahhaak and Sa’eed ibn Jubayr said the same thing.