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Tata Nano... Whats thew news in Pakistan about it?

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Is Tata's nano project unknown in Pakistan?
If it is not, what do you think about it?

The Nano is a good idea for an over-crowded cities in India. Getting a car at Rs.100,000 may prove to be good news for the medium-income Indian families. However the question is, HAS IT STARTED PRODUCTION? Last time we heard was that Rattan Tata was not able to set up his factory owing to some local farmers land dispute? What's the update on that? This model however would not be successful in Pakistan because ordinary Pakistani's believe in Japanese reliability more than anything else! That's why Suzuki ALTO is king in small cars in Pakistan.

Pakistan over the last 9 years has seen quite improvement is the high sale of high end cars such as the BMW 7-Series, BMW 5-Series, BMW X-5's (few of X-6's around too) Mercedes S-Class and E-Class, Range Rover Sports & Land Cruisers. We see now more of these models on the roads then we had seen say 15 years ago! Similarly we have a few people in the country owning Maybach, Rolls Royce Phantoms, Porsche's & a few Jaguars! :enjoy:
 
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I think TATA will take orders for nano from this march.
 
The Nano is a good idea for an over-crowded cities in India. Getting a car at Rs.100,000 may prove to be good news for the medium-income Indian families. However the question is, HAS IT STARTED PRODUCTION? Last time we heard was that Rattan Tata was not able to set up his factory owing to some local farmers land dispute? What's the update on that? This model however would not be successful in Pakistan because ordinary Pakistani's believe in Japanese reliability more than anything else! That's why Suzuki ALTO is king in small cars in Pakistan.

Pakistan over the last 9 years has seen quite improvement is the high sale of high end cars such as the BMW 7-Series, BMW 5-Series, BMW X-5's (few of X-6's around too) Mercedes S-Class and E-Class, Range Rover Sports & Land Cruisers. We see now more of these models on the roads then we had seen say 15 years ago! Similarly we have a few people in the country owning Maybach, Rolls Royce Phantoms, Porsche's & a few Jaguars! :enjoy:

Are you serious!!!!!!!

How many Pakistanis can afford the cars you mention here? What is the per capita income of Pakistan? Can even 0.1 % of Pakistanis afford the cars you mention here?

At least think for a while before writing such stuff.
 
Are you serious!!!!!!!

How many Pakistanis can afford the cars you mention here? What is the per capita income of Pakistan? Can even 0.1 % of Pakistanis afford the cars you mention here?

At least think for a while before writing such stuff.

Why don't you make plans to come down here and see for yourself! A lot of your ''pre-conceived, media-fed robotic imagination'' about Pakistan will disappear pretty quickly!!

And do not try to amplify your stupidity here on a public forum by making such comments at the end of your post!! Try restraint the next time before I address your comments with 'honors' that your kind truly deserves! :tsk:
 
Are you serious!!!!!!!

How many Pakistanis can afford the cars you mention here? What is the per capita income of Pakistan? Can even 0.1 % of Pakistanis afford the cars you mention here?

At least think for a while before writing such stuff.
Well, the cars he mentioned above (BMW, Ferrari, Lexus, Audi) etc are owned by elites.Mid Class people own Toyota or Honda Civic/Accord and lower class owned Suzuki Mehran and Alto :cheers:.
 
Why don't you make plans to come down here and see for yourself! A lot of your ''pre-conceived, media-fed robotic imagination'' about Pakistan will disappear pretty quickly!!

And do not try to amplify your stupidity here on a public forum by making such comments at the end of your post!! Try restraint the next time before I address your comments with 'honors' that your kind truly deserves! :tsk:

Well, I didn't mean any personal insult and apologize if it came across like that.

But the fact remains that all the high end cars that you talked about can not be affordable to even 1% of your population.

Do share the sales figure for these cars and check yourself. Seeing some of these cars in big cities does not mean that the average Pakistani middle class family can afford them.

Even though Pakistan's car ownership is greater than India, I believe it is no more than ~15 per thousand (1.5%). How many of these are high end cars? How many more families will be able to afford a car that provides reasonable all weather comfortable, secure, 4 wheeled transport if it became available at Pak Rs 1,50,000 instead of let's say Rs. 3,00,000 (I assume the price of the lowest model car in Pakistan).

The Nano is targeted at the lower middle class of India that travels on a two wheeler. It is an excellent product for them. If it doesn't suit Pakistan, it is all right. No one has approached you anyway.
 
I am not happy to see more and more people in Pakistan driving Land rovers, ferraris, Bentleys.

It just shows that rich people are getting richer and poor people are getting poorer.
 
Well, I didn't mean any personal insult and apologize if it came across like that.

But the fact remains that all the high end cars that you talked about can not be affordable to even 1% of your population.

Do share the sales figure for these cars and check yourself. Seeing some of these cars in big cities does not mean that the average Pakistani middle class family can afford them.

Even though Pakistan's car ownership is greater than India, I believe it is no more than ~15 per thousand (1.5%). How many of these are high end cars? How many more families will be able to afford a car that provides reasonable all weather comfortable, secure, 4 wheeled transport if it became available at Pak Rs 1,50,000 instead of let's say Rs. 3,00,000 (I assume the price of the lowest model car in Pakistan).

The Nano is targeted at the lower middle class of India that travels on a two wheeler. It is an excellent product for them. If it doesn't suit Pakistan, it is all right. No one has approached you anyway.

1st, I was just responding to the queries raised in this thread without even getting into the discussion of national financial dynamics or rich vs poor discussions!

2nd, I know that the NANO is targeted to scooter and motorcycle-valas in India so let us hope that this gamble by TATA works!

Lastly & since you seem to know very little about the ground dynamics in Pakistan other than what your media projects, my comment on non-viability of your NANO in Pakistan comes from the fact that ADAM MOTORS in Pakistan has already tried it and unfortunately lost against the Jap products!

and yes SILVERFALCON your assessment is correct the difference between the rich and poor in Pakistan has increased but that is a discussion for another thread at another time!
 
The NANO evinced a lot of interest in the auto industry from several biggies. Now makers like NISSAN are also trying to replicate it for markets in developing countries. At least 2 more car makers in India (NISSAN and Bajaj) are trying to come up with ultra low cost cars. They can be a boon to the low income families in several developing countries.

Not sure what ADAM motors did, what product they created and what kind of capabilities they have. I don't think they are a big player even in Pakistan.

The NANO was a unique piece of auto engineering taking years of research and development!
 
Interesting Review from JALOPNIK....

After months of rumors and tantalizing leaks — and as we first told you earlier this week — Indian automaker Tata Motors has finally unveiled the Tata Nano — its already legendary $2,500 (1-lakh)car. As expected, the car that Tata claims will change the face of not only the Indian car market, but the global auto industry will be a four door, five seat hatch, powered by a 30 HP Bosch 624 cc four stroke engine mounted out back and mated to a CVT. That makes the Nano the first time a 2-cylinder gasoline engine will be used in a car with a single balancer shaft. The Nano's also expected to get 54 US miles per gallon. Yes, but will it blend? Full press release after the jump with all the details. By the way — are we the only ones happy to see a Tata Nano sporting what looks like a bra above? Also — how long do we think it'll take before Apple files a lawsuit over the name?

Tata Nano: The $2500 Tata Nano, Unveiled in India
 
NANO would fulfill the dreams of many people who always wanted to buy a car.
 
The NANO evinced a lot of interest in the auto industry from several biggies. Now makers like NISSAN are also trying to replicate it for markets in developing countries. At least 2 more car makers in India (NISSAN and Bajaj) are trying to come up with ultra low cost cars. They can be a boon to the low income families in several developing countries.

Not sure what ADAM motors did, what product they created and what kind of capabilities they have. I don't think they are a big player even in Pakistan.

The NANO was a unique piece of auto engineering taking years of research and development!

That is the POINT....Lets hope that Ratan Tata quickly sells a few pieces to at least get his investment safe before the Japs bring in something similar but more reliable and relatively cheaper!! However, I do not see any future of NANO outside of India just as PROTON remains inside Malaysia!

And try scrolling up this thread to see what Adam Motors did in Pakistan! Indian car industry has been hostage to the ''Ambassador'' mentality for very long and that is the reason that Indian made cars are just popular in India and nowhere else in the world!
 
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One thing that i dont like is that they build cars for poor people, but the quality is no way near what it should be, the producers think that they are poor people and they should be given poor quality so why increase their manufacturing costs in improving quality.
 
Some info on Pakistan Car Sales!! - PakWheels.com : Car sales dropped 13pc in FY08 (AutoMobile News...)

Subject : Car sales dropped 13pc in FY08
Saturday, July 12, 2008
By our correspondent

KARACHI: Local car market suffered another year of declining sales in 2007-08 as car purchases dropped by 13 per cent due to various factors.

The weak sales during the year had been primarily due to uncertain political and economic conditions, halt in auto financing by banks due to loan defaults, increase in interest rates resulting in expensive auto financing, rise in prices due to imposition of withholding tax and excise duty, further increase in prices because of rising costs and continued influx of second hand imported CBUs (completely built units), said Bilal Hameed, auto analyst at JS Global Capital.

According to figures for auto sales released by the Pakistan Automotive Manufacturers Association (PAMA), he said auto sales (cars and light commercial vehicles) dropped 8 per cent at 187,412 units in FY08 compared to 204,212 units sold last year. Interestingly, on month-on-month basis, auto sales rose 11 per cent in June this year.

He said the increase in monthly sales had been due to the year-end effect. Assemblers as well as their distributors need to achieve their targets by the end of the year for which aggressive marketing policies are implemented. The assemblers offer incentives to their distributors in terms of higher commission on sales if targets are achieved. Moreover, sales of LCVs rose on account of harvesting season.

Looking at car sales alone, it showed a poor performance during FY08 and fell by 11 per cent to 147,441 units against 165,268 units last year. The share of cars and LCVs in total auto sales came to 79 per cent and 21 per cent respectively.

He added all four major vehicle assemblers depicted a negative growth during the year under review.

However, Pak Suzuki and Indus Motor performed relatively better as their sales dropped by 7pc and 2pc respectively. Other assemblers, Dewan Farooque and Honda Atlas, posted negative growth of 25pc and 23pc respectively.

Another auto analyst Mohammad Rehan Khan at First Capital Research said the fall in overall market could be attributed to price hikes made to pass on the impact of rising input costs, followed by a slowdown in car financing amid rising mark-up rates, political instability and presence of alternatives like CBUs.

Completely knocked down (CKD) kits share improved to 91 per cent in the local market despite an 8 per cent lower volume. Performance of locally assembled vehicles or CKD remained sluggish during FY08. Cumulative sales of locally made private cars and light commercial vehicles stood at 187,000 units during the year against 204,000 the previous year, he added.

With shrinking trading and economic activities, the performance of LCV segment also remained muted, recording a meagre growth of 3 per cent at 40,000 units compared to 39,000 previously. The share of LCVs in CKD pie during FY08 increased to 21pc against previous level of 19pc.

He said the market share of used CBUs had kept shrinking owing to the restrictions imposed on import of higher age cars. Their share in the total market dropped to 9pc compared to 13pc the previous year.

During FY08, 18,000 CBUs (6,000 new and 12,000 used) were imported.

In the overall market, used cars captured 6pc share, which was 10pc a year earlier.

“It is not expected that local car sales will resume the previous growth trend in the near term owing to slowdown in auto finance amid rising mark-up rates and pass-on impact of cost rises while the newly imposed levies on car purchase are likely to increase prices over the affordability level of buyers,” he said.

Moreover, the margins of the sector are also anticipated to remain under pressure owing to rising steel prices and an unfavourable exchange rate.
 
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