Tata Motors plans assembly unit in Bangladesh, to make 50,000 cars a year

[Papa Dragon]

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[prashantazazel]

Go for models other than nano. Tata is producing some great cars. I love the Safari.

 

[Nilgiri]

Chitholes exist in India too... not all of Dhaka or Bangladesh is like what it seems ... this is the case with all cities in Asia with colonialists past... just look at ho chin Minh city for ex.

Sorry nothing compares to the chithole that is Dhaka in the region. Take the worst city in India, make it 100 times less liveable, and you get Dhaka.

Don't need to believe me, just ask this guy, you may know him :

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-...l-suck-for-a-long-time-my-perspective.441599/

or this one:

Dhaka has to be the worst city in the world right now. It has become almost unlivable.

I have already shown enough times how Dhaka ranks next to warzone hellholes in liveability:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-...ier-in-bangladesh.548302/page-6#post-10330835

Like India is pretty bad too sure, but its nowhere NEAR this bad...its the scale of filth and shit in Dhaka that reaches all epic proportions of stagnation and squalor.

Honestly you should tell that faggot Billu (who brayed you were just an account I created, dont forget that) in that other forum he got banned here for plugging (like the complete moron he is lol), cherrypicking a cpl pics and saying thats the 100% is frankly stupid lol....and he should stop making it so easy to rip him apart on that. It just makes you all look stupid. He is the idiot that was like "BD was so developed it was travelling in jet aircraft when India was travelling in (posts pic of what he thinks is prop plane)"....firstly cherry picking again and secondly not realising he posted a jet aircraft for India (yes the idiot doesnt know the difference between prop and turboprop).

Anyone for example can look up youtube video of Dhaka airport....what a filthy pigsty....yeah thats what the 3 tourists that visit BD each year land in to get first impression and quickly leave never to return

Good job Dhaka (and don't forget to read the comments there lol):

I mean hell, there is that big ole open dumpbucket rubbish bin and people are still throwing everywhere else to that level. Sorry have not seen anything like that for an airport in India as bad as they can be, they don't look like that....with waste and trash lining the steps....that too its your capital city dayum.

@dy1022

 

[Papa Dragon]

Indian bikes r sold like hot cakes in Bangladesh. Frankly speaking, ppl r crazy about bajaj, apache and RE(not available in Bangladesh). I still don't understand why none of these companies still haven't considered to establish their assembly plants in Bangladesh especially if we consider the high demand of their products among the BD consumers.

A while ago, Tata planned to set up a manufacturing facility worth $2bn in Singur, WB. The communists in WB rejected this for which they ended up setting in another state. WB's loss is BD's gain in this regard because Tata would never consider setting up a plant in BD if they had one in WB. Regarding the bikes, the labor costs in both BD and India are quite similar and BD's demand could be currently met by their plants in India. If BD govt offers great incentives and tax benefits and if they feel the demand is high enough, I guess they would certainly consider i

 

[Nilgiri]

It is because of bad quality city streets in BD, we have to buy good quality cars made-in-Japan.

Are you smoking full time, Yaba, perhaps? Where did you find Japan imports India made cars?

It already got answered way back and you never replied:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/page-4828#post-10263120

Read especially the 2nd half of the post and don't harness your ignorant + lazy BD side so much (hope you know Japanese since you claim to live there...so you can understand literally what "Indo" means in the review in the japanese video I posted there and here too....you can find the numbers and vetting all in the original post link)

I mean given BD "assembles" 500 pajeros or whatever in a year....and you know what cars are and have to "buy good quality ones" (used import chit).....given you are 100 - 200 years behind us apparently (in your own words):

India is already two hundred years ahead of us.

It will take another 100 years to reach the present level of economic activities of the three countries that Sajeeb, the son of Hasina, stated. Does he really understand that just to get the status of a developing country does not make BD at par with those countries. India may still be poor, but, its economic activities and achievements will remain far far above BD for the foreseeable future.

it is really difficult to believe we exported around 9,000 cars (Suzuki Baleno) to Japan last year?

You can check out all you want on youtube as well to your hearts desire:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=suzuki+baleno

We literally export DOUBLE (in just cars) your total automotive industry (incl motorcycles, trucks, buses etc) consumption of 2.5 billion USD.

http://emergingrating.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bangladesh-Automobile-Industries-Vol.-I.pdf

Our total (automotive) industry size is 150 - 180 billion USD....that is more than 10 times per capita of your "good quality" clunker import industry (you import 2 billion of your 2.5 billion market size lol). So all that and its surprising we export to Japan now? We are quickly on the way to reach 300 billion industry soon (yes entire BD claimed production even with all your inflation included....in just automobile industry for us).

Fix your mess first (i.e duties and standards), open wide for Tata (and don't worry we will make sure your trade deficit with us baloons even more as result), and don't engage in your silly Yaba nonsense and then scurry away like the last time you broached this topic.

 

[KapitaanAli]

A while ago, Tata planned to set up a manufacturing facility worth $2bn in Singur, WB. The communists in WB rejected this for which they ended up setting in another state. WB's loss is BD's gain in this regard because Tata would never consider setting up a plant in BD if they had one in WB. Regarding the bikes, the labor costs in both BD and India are quite similar and BD's demand could be currently met by their plants in India. If BD govt offers great incentives and tax benefits and if they feel the demand is high enough, I guess they would certainly consider i

Some clarifications:

It was the Communist Party that was building the plant.

It was TMC and Socialist Party that protested against the plant.

TATA moved the plant to Gujarat which works on and off and could shut down because of low Nano sales.

Bangladesh would have gotten the plant anyway because the big elephant is import tax, which would always apply.

 

[Neptune_]

It already got answered way back and you never replied:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/page-4828#post-10263120

Read especially the 2nd half of the post and don't harness your ignorant + lazy BD side so much (hope you know Japanese since you claim to live there...so you can understand literally what "Indo" means in the review in the japanese video I posted there and here too....you can find the numbers and vetting all in the original post link)

I mean given BD "assembles" 500 pajeros or whatever in a year....and you know what cars are and have to "buy good quality ones" (used import chit).....given you are 100 - 200 years behind us apparently (in your own words):





it is really difficult to believe we exported around 9,000 cars (Suzuki Baleno) to Japan last year?

You can check out all you want on youtube as well to your hearts desire:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=suzuki+baleno

We literally export DOUBLE (in just cars) your total automotive industry (incl motorcycles, trucks, buses etc) consumption of 2.5 billion USD.

http://emergingrating.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bangladesh-Automobile-Industries-Vol.-I.pdf

Our total (automotive) industry size is 150 - 180 billion USD....that is more than 10 times per capita of your "good quality" clunker import industry (you import 2 billion of your 2.5 billion market size lol). So all that and its surprising we export to Japan now? We are quickly on the way to reach 300 billion industry soon (yes entire BD claimed production even with all your inflation included....in just automobile industry for us).

Fix your mess first (i.e duties and standards), open wide for Tata (and don't worry we will make sure your trade deficit with us baloons even more as result), and don't engage in your silly Yaba nonsense and then scurry away like the last time you broached this topic.

Give it a rest man. U r firing shots non stop.

I don't even know how a thread about tata motors ended up in Dhaka international airport. Lol. But there's no denying of the fact that dhaka is an unplanned city and with every passing year its getting even worse.

 

[Nilgiri]

Give it a rest man. U r firing shots non stop.

I don't even know how a thread about tata motors ended up in Dhaka international airport. Lol. But there's no denying of the fact that dhaka is an unplanned city and with every passing year its getting even worse.

You should ignore my posts not directed to you ... it will have to continue till more BD ppl take on and confront that idiot (Billu) who always has some butthurt need to crap on any Indian investment/trade/development with Bangladesh.

If more of you do that pleasantly (but firmly), I do not need to step in and show mirrors.

He hates I showed him the volumes of production/consumption for India vs BD regarding cars previously many times....and then cried so much its because BD cars are so much more expensive blah blah because they are top quality (used) import from Japan....blah blah...whereas India has whatever cherrypicked quality his feelz dictate him.

So now I have moved on to the entire industry figure (i.e total demand for everything ,prices factored in).

2.5 billion USD for BD, 180 billion USD for India. QED, end of story. 1 week shift in India in this industry produces entire yearly consumption of BD .....and he is still crapping on about how such a flea is "higher quality" than its host (that is now trying to help the flea to grow to something bigger and more useful). Give me a break....

This guy literally spent days and days getting all excited about Proton "proposed" "investment" (cpl years back) in BD that ended up amounting to squat. BD members need to stop playing victim complex and going easy with this idiot chotolok princess twink Billu...and actually take it on the chin (and call such retards like that guy out on his blah blah) because its the first step to fixing their problems and become something long term.

Price performance/quality ratio of an Indian car isn't anywhere as good as a reconditioned jap car in Bangladesh. Its easily understandable why our ppl prefer second hand jap cars over brand new Indian ones.

Wrong. You put huge tariffs and price out Indian cars basically for your consumers. BD govt just has some scummy ppl that dont want any actual competition, they probably have a large vested interest in the used car import from Japan (and singapore COE expired too) set up.

It is why India exports to Japan itself after all (we export many more to Europe)...or are you saying they are lower quality standards than BD?...., we can meet any price/quality ratio out there now....the onus is on your govt to set the standards and enforce. If you feel Indian market average demand/supply quality is not good enough for BD, you can simply enforce import standards like seen in Japan or whomever you wish....but you wont....your politicians want to keep everything controlled and their pockets lined.....no matter how much your industry and common people suffers.

Be thankful that Tata has decided to create this JV with such an ambition (50k cap) anyway....there is a reason why no one else does. You can also see what crappy standards they have for yourself (worse than the ones in India) long term too because thats all BD ppl can really afford within the controls that BD govt (to line its pockets rather than let the actual pricepoint quality and well formulated standards set in) allows for them (that Tata seems to be have negotiated and found an entry).

 

[Papa Dragon]

Some clarifications:

It was the Communist Party that was building the plant.

It was TMC and Socialist Party that protested against the plant.

TATA moved the plant to Gujarat which works on and off and could shut down because of low Nano sales.

Bangladesh would have gotten the plant anyway because the big elephant is import tax, which would always apply.

Whatever, I don't really care about WB, UP and Bihar because they're shit and the main reason for screwing the image of India and breed like insects

 

[kaykay]

Some clarifications:

It was the Communist Party that was building the plant.

It was TMC and Socialist Party that protested against the plant.

TATA moved the plant to Gujarat which works on and off and could shut down because of low Nano sales.

Bangladesh would have gotten the plant anyway because the big elephant is import tax, which would always apply.

You meant Sanand plant in Gujarat? Well Tata make other cars here as well including Tigor, Tiago etc along with Nano so no...Its not gonna shut down anytime soon. And that one decision made Sanand a sort of auto hub....Now It has 3-4 manufacturing plants from different automobile companies.

 

[bluesky]

Japanese cars are way more expensive and beyond the buying capacity of middle class. We can only sell 3500 cars a year. Tata will certainly penetrate the market if they could offer the car at the same price range as they offer in India.

Japnese cars are expensive only because the GoB imposes heavy tax and sales tax on the imported used cars. the govt. needs tax money and wants to discourage import because many more cars will create more gridlocks since the road system in BD is insufficient. In Bangladesh, the number of passenger cars in use was roughly 380,000 units in 2015.

 

[raja hindustani]

For the growth of Bangladeshi automobile industry, the key is to have a few automobile plants setup. If tata can successfully setup and operate a plant, other major players like Suzuki, Toyota, Honda will surely follow. As more and more Bangladeshis are involved in development and production of cars in such plants, it might eventually lead to home grown players arising in the industry.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Bhai Kapitaan - I am in and out of Bangladesh on business at least twice and more times a year. I keep up on what's going on in Bangladesh pretty well.

With all due respect, you have little idea about car buying preferences in Bangladesh. Come over sometime and you will get it.

Bangladesh has been an open car market for ages (like Pakistan, before 1971 even) - unlike India which went through Nehruvian license era protected auto-market syndrome for the benefit of licensed enterprises like Hindustan Motors and Premier Ltd. (company owned by Walchand-ji who was a Nehru buddy like Mr. Bajaj and Mr. Kirloskar).

Indian auto market has been liberalized for barely a decade and a half and is still (for some) an immature auto market. Before that Indians rode around in 50's era Amby's and antiquated Fiats known as Padmini Premiers. Attempts to market these vehicles in Bangladesh in 1971 did not go well (to put it diplomatically). The reason is that the sophistication of these cars hearkened back to an era right after WWII and was woefully inadequate compared to even older Toyotas from the late 60s like the Corona in use locally at that time (see below).

Although there was some auto-production in Bangladesh before 1971 (license production of the Vauxhall Viva), these were not sufficiently produced to meet local demand.

Bangladesh being a small market imported its needs (no engine under 1000 CC typically although the govt. tried to tax higher displacement vehicles anyway). In the 70's the bare minimum standard car was the Toyota Publica, like the rest of Asia (Again about 1000 CC).

There were literally no smaller cars in the market than this and the well-heeled actually looked down on the owners of these basic 1000 cc vehicles, although the Publica was a far more robust vehicle than the Maruti ever was (down a couple of notches in size class). From then on - most people aspired to larger cars (1600 cc and up). In the 80's and the 90's most car buyers were fortunate to have access to purchase reconditioned cars at very reasonable prices. Obviously most people at that time went for Toyota reconditioned Carina/Corona type mid-size models (1800 cc I believe). See below,

Most of the Bangladeshi PDF posters in the 1990's grew up with these large-size cars owned by their families. Ask Bangladeshis here - they will tell you.

In the 1980's, despite Maruti mini (800cc) 'revolution' happening in India, 'regular' (aam admi) car buyers in Bangladesh were never interested in this car (the common subscription was that this was money wasted on a 'disposable car'), especially with the early teething problems faced by the small size of the engine as well as early assembly issues. They simply used autos, buses and rickshaws for commutes.

Some folks did use the Toyota Corolla Station wagon in the 90's (cheapest car at 3.5 lakhs and 1200cc).

Still, no one thought about getting Marutis.

Corolla was the bare minimum back then. Now in the late 2010's because of better living standard, people expect even larger cars (at a minimum Corolla Ascent - see below). Repeated Indian attempts to sell Nano in Bangladesh has now become an object of ridicule.

Why go for a car that is similar to an auto-rickshaw in engine size and safety? That is what people in Bangladesh think of a Tata Nano. Again, waste of good money.



They have already tried to market it here twice, with disastrous results.

It's amusing to think you have an impression of the Bangladesh market as less 'sophisticated' than India.

The premise of the Nano (even as a city car) is flawed, especially when approached from a safety and durability perspective and when thought of in terms of local competition (reconditioned cars, which have a minimum lifespan of a decade).

Don't know a single person in BD who owns a tata or nano.

 

[Bilal9]

Don't know a single person in BD who owns a tata or nano.

Same here. I once knew of a guy who bought a Maruti 800 a decade ago and his two year old Maruti was giving him issues at that time. Somehow 800 cc size cars don't fare too well in Dhaka's driving conditions...

 

[bluesky]

it is really difficult to believe we exported around 9,000 cars (Suzuki Baleno) to Japan last year?

The video is for a sales promotion of Suzuki Baleno. I have not seen one such India made car in Japan. We will hear it if the made in India car is accepted by the Japanese. Do not expect too much. But, wish for good luck.