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Target met, PAC produced 16 JF-17 aircrafts in 2015: 4th JF-17 Thunder squadron complete

Going by that logic, 216 is the last to come off the production line, while 212 was seen escorting the President of Tajikistan, a couple of months earlier. :D

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It is not possible only 16 JF-17 were prduced this year

also to what rate is pac producing jf-17's now? since they decided to increase production rates

As the news suggest. 16 JF-17 were produced this year. For next year target is 20-25 Jets
 
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U may be rite, however, i am not concerned about the numbers, my concern is the goodies being offered in block II, I am really concerned due to the launch of LCA in forthcoming show, Indians may not be very competent in aircraft manufacturing or marketing but they are backed up by the whole world minus Pakistan and china, when "nobody" has "everybody" backing him up by all possible means then he becomes "somebody". Indians may not have the desire to earn dollars from the sale of LCA but LCA is surely going to give them the leverage to sabotage every possible or probable JF17 deal.
 
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With officially four squadrons operational, while other sources suggest that in fact six squadrons are active, a figure of around 80 wouldn't be out of place.
Black Panthers and Black spiders are the first two. What are the other two?
 
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Contrary to sensless statements coming out of Pakistan. It has become more of routine for our Airforce to obscure facts contrary to visible evidence coming out of other sources. It is not possible only 16 JF-17 were produced because

In January 2015, JF-17 0213 were revealed in china

China's Military Reboots 'Fierce Dragon' Jet Fighter With Homebuilt Model | Popular Science

How come from January 2015 to December 2015, Only 3 JF-17's were produced ? Impossible

Then JF-17 229 came in to picture in November 2015. This picture was posted by official chinese sources which indicate another JF production line setup in china. We can clearly see two JF-17 in the workshop

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So as per my understanding, there were 30 JF-17 produced from June 2014- December 2015. PAC may have produced 16 JF-17's while China may have produced rest of the 14 for the export customer.


It depends on what is the PAF's definition of 'produced'. As the news article suggests, the 16th aircraft was 'handed over to the PAF'. That seems to be how they are defining the term. Production line may have rolled out more copies which are still undergoing quality checks, retrofit of new equipment or trials of new systems etc. But PAF would acknowledge production when bird is in its squadron. I can not think of a reason other than this. PAC would have proudly announced its accomplishment otherwise.
 
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well its worth noting that clients are interested in the jf-17 and china producing jets for export customers suggests that they have orders from more than one country as i seen no logic in ramping up production and then reducing it.
also is pac building any jets specifialy for export? or is that only in china?
 
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The 029 was the test bed for refuelling probe and it was 1 of only 2 JFT produced in China this year.

PAC produced a mere 16.
 
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Sir there was strange silence related to JFT production in 2014 ......
Can any one tell me how many Thunders were produced in that year?
Also is upgradation process of Blk1 has already begun?
And is Kamra is producing thunders only? Or Chinese are also making them right now?
 
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To be really honest in this age and day , to produce only 16 planes is not an achievement. Production levels were slow in all past 5 year only peaking once to double digit

Few year back people were estimating us to have 150 JF17 Thunders (Block 1 - Block2) flying
However we only have made about 60 planes !!
There is some lack of consistency in production levels , which is sad we should be making 20-25 Jets a year

I've learned, people of Pakistan don't follow a strategy and don't realize the realities. The 150 could've been achieved if majority of the work was done in China (as initially expected) and the assembly took place in Pakistan. Instead, they thought it would be a great idea to have Pakistan based manufacturing. Which saved billions, but brings up challenges of setting up manufacturing facilities, machines, equipment, people, training and all. Which is a crazy enough task as you are LITERALLY setting up a new industry.

People who know the JFT's mechanics and systems, also know that this plane is MUCH advanced than anything Pakistan overhauls internally, or has experienced with. Including the block 15 -16's (engineering and capability wise. Performance wise, F-16's aerodynamics are superior). So jumping from 2nd generation overhaul capability to actually trying to produce a 4th gen fighter in house (58% components, slated to go up to 80% made in Pakistan) is a HUGE under taking and will have risks. The most significant risk was the fact that the highly engineering focus facilities and skilled engineering labor wasn't there to just jump on it. You have to train people, then ensure their mistakes will be corrected by professionals.
And then a need for another facility for overhauling and export related manufacturing was also needed. Which is either done or being created as of now. So these were huge under takings, you should be proud that all this has happened and the JFT is now manufactured in Pakistan (wit majority of components).

Next, the block I was really a prototype production or proof of concept production. The PAF slowed down as they wanted their people to be trained, but also, have the advanced features come from China and readily integrated. If ALL 50 block I's had been completed few years ago, you'd have a LOT of rework to do, to integrate many weapons that are now already integrated in block II. So by slowing down the production, the PAF ensured the training of required labor force as best as possible. But yet, continue to get updates and really jump onto block II and make that a standard. So time was lost there as the advanced features (Anti-Ship, BVR, better Radar range, etc), were being tested in China.

The result is Block II capability as a standard package and it'll be added to the existing block I jets. And going forward, block III will be a build upon block II's capability. Block II gives Pakistan what it needed as a base package. Block I didn't. So it made all the sense to slow down the production and train labor, build facilities and establish components manufacturing, while things progress on capability on block II. This is actually HUGE for the Pakistani aerospace industry. You've now achieved jet aircraft manufacturing capability that a few countries on the planet has. And these jumps that eliminate decades worth of difference between Pakistan and say Sweden or another Tier II aircraft manufacturer, don't come in quick. Its a very, very complex effort.
 
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@Bratva PAF is already behind schedule for its 150 jets target, may be to accelerate production two parallel production lines are running in Pak and China...So PAC produced 16 jets and another 16 jets were produced in China(They could be for Pak or may be for any customer)..!
 
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I've learned, people of Pakistan don't follow a strategy and don't realize the realities. The 150 could've been achieved if majority of the work was done in China (as initially expected) and the assembly took place in Pakistan. Instead, they thought it would be a great idea to have Pakistan based manufacturing. Which saved billions, but brings up challenges of setting up manufacturing facilities, machines, equipment, people, training and all. Which is a crazy enough task as you are LITERALLY setting up a new industry.

People who know the JFT's mechanics and systems, also know that this plane is MUCH advanced than anything Pakistan overhauls internally, or has experienced with. Including the block 15 -16's (engineering and capability wise. Performance wise, F-16's aerodynamics are superior). So jumping from 2nd generation overhaul capability to actually trying to produce a 4th gen fighter in house (58% components, slated to go up to 80% made in Pakistan) is a HUGE under taking and will have risks. The most significant risk was the fact that the highly engineering focus facilities and skilled engineering labor wasn't there to just jump on it. You have to train people, then ensure their mistakes will be corrected by professionals.
And then a need for another facility for overhauling and export related manufacturing was also needed. Which is either done or being created as of now. So these were huge under takings, you should be proud that all this has happened and the JFT is now manufactured in Pakistan (wit majority of components).

Next, the block I was really a prototype production or proof of concept production. The PAF slowed down as they wanted their people to be trained, but also, have the advanced features come from China and readily integrated. If ALL 50 block I's had been completed few years ago, you'd have a LOT of rework to do, to integrate many weapons that are now already integrated in block II. So by slowing down the production, the PAF ensured the training of required labor force as best as possible. But yet, continue to get updates and really jump onto block II and make that a standard. So time was lost there as the advanced features (Anti-Ship, BVR, better Radar range, etc), were being tested in China.

The result is Block II capability as a standard package and it'll be added to the existing block I jets. And going forward, block III will be a build upon block II's capability. Block II gives Pakistan what it needed as a base package. Block I didn't. So it made all the sense to slow down the production and train labor, build facilities and establish components manufacturing, while things progress on capability on block II. This is actually HUGE for the Pakistani aerospace industry. You've now achieved jet aircraft manufacturing capability that a few countries on the planet has. And these jumps that eliminate decades worth of difference between Pakistan and say Sweden or another Tier II aircraft manufacturer, don't come in quick. Its a very, very complex effort.
I love your lengthy comments.
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