Tarek Fatah - India without SINDH, SINDHU is not INDIA

[Mamluk]

Yes they have had theirs. But that is theirs. Nothing to do with us. What I take exception to is when these mongrels try to trip into our journey through time. And have you read 'The Indus Saga:Making of Pakistan' by Aitzaz Ahsan? Geat book


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Not yet, but it's there in my 'to read' list. The sort of book I'd like to see get introduced into school curriculum and let people see beyond the partition/2-nation narrative.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Not yet, but it's there in my 'to read' list. The sort of book I'd like to see get introduced into school curriculum and let people see beyond the partition/2-nation narrative.

One of the greatest things Pakistan could do bring national unity and pride would be to adopt this book as the national school curriculum. In 20 years time we would see a confident, united, secure generation of Pakistani's with solid identity that could match or exceeds Turkish, Persian, Chinese nationhood. It would help to create a united, cohesive nation. I wish something like this was done vack in 1950s. We would be a mature, strong, unified nation today.

 

[RaGotimaar]

Listen retard. No Pakistani claims to be Middle Eastern. We Pakistanis are South Asian.

Secondly Tarak Fateh is another idiot. I wouldn't pay any attention to him.

One thing we can agree on. He just says stupid shit to get publicity.

I just want to stoke the fire so both sides can be preserve the IVC sites better. They don't get the love they deserve. I want to visit the Pakistani ones so please take care of them better.

 

[LASER1]

@django What I read is self-contradictions which are normal for cretins who are confused about their history. On one side you want to claim Vedas are from Sindhu but not Upanishads, then you go on to claim Adi Sankara didn't consider your regions as India. I know I'm wasting my time.

The locals never ever referred to themselves as Hindu/Sindhu, stop trying to misquote me, and the Brits used term Hindu, Persian used word Sindhu.

You quote me to tell this? Wow! Thanks for the tip captain obvious. Now, go and see why you made the first quote.

He was/is honored as "Jagadguru", a title that was used earlier only to Krishna.....

Sankara was the only jagadguru? You should start a comedy show, these are hilarious claims. Elite member
Jagadguru is a title not limited to Krishna or Adi Sankara there's been others.

The Vedas are from the Indus not from your Ganga forests (And no in reality their is no mighty mythical Saraswati)

Self-contradictory statements. Many of these pieces of information are from the Vedas, Upanishads, and epics. I don't care where they're from, a Mleccha has no more claims to it. Just like Aryans are not a race.

As for mathas they were indeed the cultural boundaries of so-called BhaRAT

Dude you're not even trying to be smart. At least reach the level of Indus Pakistan guy and Taimur at distorting, they don't make outlandish claims without knowing things for a fact.

There is nothing that signifies mutts to cultural boundaries, they're just schools. You're the one who said mathas are regions. A futile attempt at covering up a mistake? Indeed you're another Elite troll.

keep your Ganga Upanishads, they have NOTHING to do with my forefathers, forefathers from the region known as Ghandara.

It doesn't matter what your forefathers did. Sanadhana Dharma has no significance for origin, what matters is what you are. A non-Vedic (mleccha). You don't know the significance of Upanishads or Vedas.

in the context of this discussion the point I was making is those monasteries were more cultural/regional boundaries Westernmost in Dwarka, Gujarat, Northernmost in Uttarakhand, Southernmost in Karnataka and Easternmost in Bengal, non of these lands is anywhere near my beautiful Pakistan or IOK, as anyone with any sense can deduce Adi certainly did not consider coterminous Pakistan part of his culture or spiritual sphere

Adi Sankara established his schools where he had debated with scholars and he won all the time, that's why he is have attained 'sarvajna peetha'(don't expect you to know the meaning). The mutts established were all close to famous temples at the time. Not because he thinks it was the real boundary of India. Also at the time, the region that's today's Pakistan was ravaged by Mlecchas, so there is nothing worth debating to a bunch of mlecchas who would kill you if questioned about their faith. At least that hasn't changed since then.

Don't come up with these kinds of dumb logic. And conveniently taking Adi Sankara to prove the point. Which failed btw.

clearly did not get the point I was making

Oh there was a point? Man the fuk up, learn to accept mistakes and next time don't try to teach a Brahmin his history especially the Veda - Upanishads and so on.

 

[django]

Adi Sankara established his schools where he had debated with scholars and he won all the time, that's why he is have attained 'sarvajna peetha'(don't expect you to know the meaning). The mutts established were all close to famous temples at the time. Not because he thinks it was the real boundary of India. Also at the time, the region that's today's Pakistan was ravaged by Mlecchas, so there is nothing worth debating to a bunch of mlecchas who would kill you if questioned about their faith. At least that hasn't changed since then.

So you pretty much acknowledge lands coterminous to Pakistan were distinct from your Ganga/Dravid lands,,finally we are making progress.

On one side you want to claim Vedas are from Sindhu but not Upanishads, then you go on to claim Adi Sankara didn't consider your regions as India. I know I'm wasting my time.

They indeed are and we owned them and then discarded them, if you wish our left overs, by all means .......Upanishads are not from lands coterminous to Pakistan PERIOD, you can claim all you want, they are an amalgamation of vedic beliefs and whatever your forest pygmy ancestors believed in, the eventual result was the Puranic beliefs....stay in you lane do not claim heritage of my lands, unless you are arguing that some ancient pioneer from Ghandara made his way to Ganga forest in mid iron age and found a aboriginal forest female, told her partner to step aside.......

There is nothing that signifies mutts to cultural boundaries, they're just schools. You're the one who said mathas are regions. A futile attempt at covering up a mistake? Indeed you're another Elite troll.

But in the context of this discussion they are, you pretty much admitted it hence no monastery in lands coterminous to Pakistan, simple reason those lands were alien to his culture, and you know this full well.

 

[Hamza913]

It was not Muslims but present day India ruled over present day Pakistan and almost all of the history.

This will be my last reply in this thread

Probably for the best so you don't embarrass yourself some more.

 

[LASER1]

So you pretty much acknowledge lands coterminous to Pakistan were distinct from your Ganga/Dravid lands,,finally we are making progress.

So much progress with half illiterates and polio. LOL!
Time to get down from Adi Sankara. Your nation was under mlecchas who had no honors so, Sankara couldn't debate with them.

They indeed are and we owned them and then discarded them, if you wish our left overs, by all means .......

Discarded? Nah! It was raped, subjugated and taxed (Jizya) out of you. And now you own nothing but ME culture. Nothing else.

Upanishads are not from lands coterminous to Pakistan PERIOD, you can claim all you want, they are an amalgamation of vedic beliefs and whatever your forest pygmy ancestors believed in, the eventual result was the Puranic beliefs....stay in you lane do not claim heritage of my lands, unless you are arguing that some ancient pioneer from Ghandara made his way to Ganga forest in mid iron age and found a aboriginal forest female, told her partner to step aside.......

Upanishads are from the entire region of North India incl today's Pakistan. (Got busted again)
You are 'slow' with no real knowledge on what you're talking about, barking at the tree because you got owned. Now you're desperately trying to get back at me, but it keeps failing. I'm not going to correct you this time, because I like the way you are, jog on kid. Or come back with facts, not Childish tantrums.

But in the context of this discussion they are, you pretty much admitted it hence no monastery in lands coterminous to ****stan, simple reason those lands were alien to his culture, and you know this full well.

There is no monastery in the mleccha land because it got destroyed, one such was Takshashila. What is today's Taxila. Make sense yet? And Takshashila taught Upanishads, composed great philosophical and scientific treaties based on Adharva Veda (Ayurveda originated from this Veda). Obviously, you don't know all these.

And comes here to claim the ownership of Vedas. This is Dharmic religion, no Islamists own that. You got what you wanted, the ME religion and its culture. A country based on that. Now what happened, think it's inferior?

 

[django]

So much progress with half illiterates and polio. LOL!
Time to get down from Adi Sankara. Your nation was under mlecchas who had no honors so, Sankara couldn't debate with them.


Discarded? Nah! It was raped, subjugated and taxed (Jizya) out of you. And now you own nothing but ME culture. Nothing else.

Upanishads are from the entire region of North India incl today's Pakistan. (Got busted again)
You are 'slow' with no real knowledge on what you're talking about, barking at the tree because you got owned. Now you're desperately trying to get back at me, but it keeps failing. I'm not going to correct you this time, because I like the way you are, jog on kid. Or come back with facts, not Childish tantrums.



There is no monastery in the mleccha land because it got destroyed, one such was Takshashila. What is today's Taxila. Make sense yet? And Takshashila taught Upanishads, composed great philosophical and scientific treaties based on Adharva Veda (Ayurveda originated from this Veda). Obviously, you don't know all these.

And comes here to claim the ownership of Vedas. This is Dharmic religion, no Islamists own that. You got what you wanted, the ME religion and its culture. A country based on that. Now what happened, think it's inferior?

Connect the dots, Adi knew better so should you it is 2018.

 

[Imran Khan]

he should have married asma jahangir. what an ideal couple they would have formed

she is dead please have some respect of dead people sir

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Not because he thinks it was the real boundary of India.

The concept of India asa countrydid not even exist until the British made India and gave it borders so how could the boundary be real or not?

*And please don't use the argumant that why was EIA called "East India Company". We use terms like Scandanavia, Balkans, Sub Sahara Africa, Indochina, Deccan but that does not mean those are countries.

 

[LASER1]

The concept of India asa countrydid not even exist until the British made India and gave it borders so how could the boundary be real or not?

*And please don't use the argumant that why was EIA called "East India Company". We use terms like Scandanavia, Balkans, Sub Sahara Africa, Indochina, Deccan but that does not mean those are countries.

Of course the British made India, Pakistan, Burma, Nepal (to an extent). The point was Adi Sankara (Django talking about) can't be taken as a referential to the shared history of the subcontinent. I'm not saying India was a unified country existed throughout the history. There have been many attempts to unify it, many times it was successful and stayed united for years.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There have been many attempts to unify

Would you agree with my statement "There were many attempts to unify Pakistan"?

 

[Mamluk]

There have been many attempts to unify it, many times it was successful and stayed united for years.

Attempts to unify WHAT exactly?

Empires went as far as they could - they had no sense of boundaries.

 

[khanmubashir]

So according to this clown if India isn't India without Sindh/Indus valley
And thus Indian can't call em selves Indian without Indus valley

But they do have Ganges plain


so how about gandian

 

[RaGotimaar]

Whoever discovered Samose and Jalebi first is the rightful succesor of Indus Valley Civilization