Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[Great Sachin]

And what would be the alternative to PAK-FA?

We can buy more Rafale

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So there is no political rift, its all Indian sponsored propaganda who just don't like the fact that Pakistan and Russia are coming closer. But there is no stopping it either.

Its funny, India can go sell out to uncle Sam for various reasons. But Russia has to be faithful to India. So its like a wife can cheat with another man, but her husband (Russians in this case), have to be faithful to her???? Weird logic!!!

there is no denying that India excels in that department and even manages to fool iits own people who eat its propoganda like sacred Bhojan no matter how crappy it is

case in point.

their border forces continue to shell and fire at Pakistani villages along the international borders in Punjab... and then they somehow explain it due to the alleged infiltration of Kashmiri militants hundreds of miles away along the LoC in Kashmir.

another case in point

some Indians are so freaked out about a news item about possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan that its still being discussed to death since it originally came out a month or so ago and they also try to act cool and convince themselves that such thing wont ever happen. call it paranoia or lack of confidence or whatever but we in Pakistan would have moved on by now when this news first time came out but they wont let go telling each other that this wont happen.

 

[MilSpec]

Can you give this answer .....Why he doesn't have a pakistani flag when @Abingdonboy 's flag was changed under pertext that he has indian origin

And more over he continued to insult hinduism without any issue ..............he has habit of bringing religion even in pure technical threads why is that ???

I too have always wondered about that, @WebMaster

some Indians are so freaked out about a news item about possible Su-35 sale to Pakistan that its still being discussed to death since it originally came out a month or so ago and they also try to act cool and convince themselves that such thing wont ever happen. call it paranoia or lack of confidence or whatever but we in Pakistan would have moved on by now when this news first time came out but they wont let go telling each other that this wont happen.

It is not about being freaked out, it is as ridicuolous as China selling J10B's to India....and thus the ridiculousness attracts the rebuttals. But then when members come out here and say that they know the chiefs of staff personally and they have confirmed it to them over phone calls, it will derive responses.

 

[Viper0011.]

India does not have any issue with Russia selling Su-35 to Pakistan. We are getting PAK-FA.

Are you sure? The entire world doesn't agree with you. The following is JUST one source. The truth is, you guys don't know WTF to do in this situation. It went VERY quickly out of your control. You thought this would be a few MI's and a few smaller SAM deals. And you miscalculated the Russian might. I've watched how Russians act (with US throughout decades). Russians are VERY egoistic people, you piss them off, they don't care about anything, and I mean ANYTHING including a nuke war like they tried to start a few times but some sane heads prevailed and peace won at the end.

So they made a strategy shift. India just has to live with it. Nothing you can do. Its funny to see some Indian in denial, some in anger, some in WTF mode and some in "we don't care". But the matter of the fact is, this is another "holly shiit" moment for the Indian establishment. Just take a look at the number of Indian members posting here and I am watching many other places globally and have talked to people from India who's direct family members at General levels. The truth is entire frustration, anger and WTF. Don't fukk with the Russian bear. You made them feel like a toilet paper and they learned the lesson. The Bear now wants to give whatever it is that Pakistan wants

Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Fighter Jet Deal Potentially The Largest

 

[SQ8]

As far as the SU35 issue is concerned, I am not even slightly concerned. It is exactly as idiotic as other hypothesis floating around on this forum.

regards

Its a threat, if nothing else regarding the MMRCA and how that played out. Them russians dont like losing their vodka money.

 

[war&peace]

Agreed.

Also, you raised an interesting point about squadron numbers. It seems PAF tends to start out with 1 or 2 squadrons (30-40 planes) and builds from there. But I wonder if - in addition to 2 squadrons for Southern Air Command - the PAF would pick up a few planes for CCS to serve in DACT. Imagine a seasoned officer flying these against our F-16 and JF-17 pilots day in and day out. And speaking of specialist roles, I wonder if this platform can be developed further to serve as a dedicated EW platform akin to the EA-18 Growler.

It is essential for Pak Navy but it is must for PAF too to have a few squadrons of Su-35. A formation of 3-4 JF-17, 1-2 F-16 and 1 Su-35 can deliver a very strong punch by using the datalinking between the aircrafts. The superior radar of Su-35 (actually the best and most powerful) can see the enemy at a very long distance and sharing this info with its minor brothers can increase their effectiveness many fold and hence act like a true force multiplier. Thus we don't need a lot Su-35 to be flying and still getting the air dominance over the enemy. Yes with its huge carrying capacity (34000 kgs) it can perform any job you throw at it.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Yea apparently Chinese Media Was so jealous of this news back some months ago that they released chinese survery data. it states that chinese Population you would expect to be more than 90% to be Pro Pakistan while its not true because indonesia aparenty has a more pro Pakistan population According to BBC and American Media, indonesian population has 80+%tile of pro Pakistani People in the country. while china seems is less than 80% which was sad for chinese who expect it to be more than 90% or wanted it to be more than 90% in china. i cant post links because of my new Account but i took a screeshot of that news article.this is an online suevery though.

 

[Xenophon]

Cry me a river . u can sign deals with Usa but russia cant sign deal with us . by the way india need Russia ( for parts and other stuff ) more then Russian need them . ...



Use burnol .

 

[Viper0011.]

very good .. seems like a poster who brings a lot on the table for a good debate.
do you feel threatened or just saying it since you cant handle him?

@Viper0011. how you can mock other countries and be over confident when you are allegedly not American?

To get a proof of my nationality, allegiance and the flags I salute and would bleed for if need be are underneath the mighty B-2's picture in my signatures (in case someone "missed", its ). I can't provide you anything else. I guess we can all go to a local US court and I can provide proofs in front of a judge to support it. By the way, the Indians will have to cover for my time and cost, like it is a standard in the US court. If someone is accused and its proven wrong, the other party will be penalized for damages, attorney fees and all. So if the Indian members are willing to foot the bill, I can file a petition in any Southern US state. By the way, this is such stupid topic, to be honest!!

By the way, it doesn't take long to understand that the entire Indian community is having a hard time in handling me. If you go through threads, its me vs. India (like Rocky 4, the US vs. Russia and the wins, just like on here). By the way, I am saying this in a light way, not arrogant or anything.

So, the Indian members need to unfortunately deal with me on posts. If you miss-represent facts and I know them, I'll write them. There is no need to call me anything else. Just respond with counter facts and if you prove me wrong, I'll apologize and STFU. Simple is that. However, you insult my country and my allegiance, I'll be 10 times more mean. I am a firm believer in US Army's slogan "an Army of one "

 

[$@rJen]

very good .. seems like a poster who brings a lot on the table for a good debate.
do you feel threatened or just saying it since you cant handle him?

@Viper0011. how you can mock other countries and be over confident when you are allegedly not American?

You can handle a guy who accepts the reality not the guy who refuses the whole truth.. and he might be a American... but not real american... He's a American Pakistani..

 

[nadeemkhan110]

There is no major diplomatic rift lol. India has a tendency to use her partners and friends like a toilet paper. The US is next in about the next 15 years or so, mark my words. They'll use us for as long as they need our jobs, money and economy. When their GDP grows close to our level and the size of the economy, they'll dictate us. Nature of the Indian mentality.

Same recently happened with the Russians and the French. The French were SO pissed off at the Rafale deal that they told India if she didn't purchase the jets, they won't sell other stuff to them, including Scorpions. Result was Modi quickly issued an executive order to procure 36 (from over a 120 initially) Rafale jets.

So there is no political rift, its all Indian sponsored propaganda who just don't like the fact that Pakistan and Russia are coming closer. But there is no stopping it either.

Its funny, India can go sell out to uncle Sam for various reasons. But Russia has to be faithful to India. So its like a wife can cheat with another man, but her husband (Russians in this case), have to be faithful to her???? Weird logic!!!

100% agree WITH VIPER
and
INDIAN FOREIGN POLICY IS USE IT AND THROW IT

 

[MilSpec]

Its a threat, if nothing else regarding the MMRCA and how that played out. Them russians dont like losing their vodka money.

Or rather, shoddy journalism being recycled just as 40 billion ollar Potus vist, and lost in translation reboot of of D.fM of russia ....
Remember, MMRCA is chum change compared to FGFA, and look up the Mig29 documentary, pogosev and korotkov, main fight was to keep Mig29M alive, it did not happen as the 35 but as the 29K and MoD fully supported it, even though SU platform would have better logistical support.

 

[Viper0011.]

From all my past experience with you.. I'm telling you this.. I never reported you for the personnel attacks or called on the mods but its you.. who everytime call someone.. even Now, look at homay guys you're calling... the thing is you don't know nothing you just assume this and that... and you never agree to the reality that's why i don't bother about you but read the first line of the first reply you gave me... !!! @WebMaster @Horus you better delete ths thread

I didn't call and I didn't derail the thread. I responded to your Indian friend's post with fact. You then invited all the mods or one of your friends did. Don't know and don't care.

I wish you guys can just debate on facts vs. getting all personal. If you can't handle me with facts, you don't have to respond. Move on to the next post.

Why do the threads need to be deleted because you guys don't follow rules? I think people who don't follow rules and flame first, should be banned. I believe in respect and courtesy for everything. But you attack my personally, my flags nd all, boy you'll get a response back!

 

[imran rashid]

We've money we'll do whatever we want from wherever we want....

jb tm khud ksi se bhe ly sakty ho to hmari purchase pe rona keun shuru kar deya ha, Kya russia tmhara bap ha jo hm us se kuch nhi ly sakty. r isi tarah jealous r proxy wars karty rho

 

[Spectre]

Russians are VERY egoistic people, you piss them off, they don't care about anything, and I mean ANYTHING including a nuke war like they tried to start a few times but some sane heads prevailed and peace won at the end.

Are you sure, multiple de-classified US state department memos show otherwise. The closest the world came to annihilation was in Cuban Crisis when JFK threatened Nikita Khrushchev with Nukes.

That is besides the fact US is the only country to have actually used nukes. Please read about the history of your country before you go all self righteous.

Regards