Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[VelocuR]

Let suppose the cost of Su 35 is $100 Million and we want to buy 36 of them.This still equal to less than 4 Billion dollars

Pakistan defence budget is almost $8 Billion and is increasing at a rate of 12-15% each year,this mean it would be in excess of 10Billion dollars in the next 2 years.

So for smaller numbers like 36,money should not be the problem

Plus airbases, infrastractures and training are including - I think $2+ Billion more.

Anyway, there seems bug issues here, why my first post I created this thread was disappeared?

 

[Viper0011.]

if Russia can afford to lose India who is the biggest buyer in the world and biggest buyer for Russia.....so good luck

"can afford to"...?? Its already done.....not sure why there is still denial from you guys end!!! The decision to sell attack heli's and SAMS was it. That should've told you that just like any other business, they'll try to see whatever else they can to another market that actually has a lot of needs. And who they can benefit by investing and reaping serious returns from the growing economy of Pakistan!

 

[MadDog]

India is buying the best available weapons from US, France as well as Russia. Its good for India. Why should we worry about Russia selling weapons to Pakistan. US & France used to sell weapons to Pakistan yet we bought them. No issues.

People who are crying has nothing to do with Indian Defense Forces of Indian Government. They are just ordinary Indians or journalists. Pak is buying Mil-35. We are buying Apache which is better. Pak is buying Su-35. We are buying PAK-FA which is better. Why should we worry. If Pak gets PAK-FA or F-35 & India do not get it we should be worried.[/QUOc

India is buying the best available weapons from US, France as well as Russia. Its good for India. Why should we worry about Russia selling weapons to Pakistan. US & France used to sell weapons to Pakistan yet we bought them. No issues.

People who are crying has nothing to do with Indian Defense Forces of Indian Government. They are just ordinary Indians or journalists. Pak is buying Mil-35. We are buying Apache which is better. Pak is buying Su-35. We are buying PAK-FA which is better. Why should we worry. If Pak gets PAK-FA or F-35 & India do not get it we should be worried.

Chill out Kid chill out , no need to be emotional , you are buying 20 apaches, we are buying 15 AH-1Z Viper gunships , along with a 1000 hellfires, which are equivalent to apaches, infact they can fire air to air missiles which apaches can't.
Don't compare apples with oranges, Mi-35 is not solely for a gunship role, it can also be used to carry troops, for solely gunship purposes, Pak is going for AH-1Z vipers , whose sale has been approved !!!

 

[Viper0011.]

This deal will create strategic shift in Indian policy India to what level this remains to be seen. The official word from Russian Rosobornexport (SP?) I will wait to see it to believe it if it ever comes to be.

Ummm......denial still and much??? The "POLICY" has been changed by the Russians already. No one offers their attack heli's and SAM missile systems if they didn't want the relationship to be developed or go to new heights.

So yea, the Russian policy changed. If they cared so much about the "Indian Policy", obviously, they would've have taken this step. You can change your policy however you please to. The Russians are looking at the globe and it doesn't require rocket science to know how the US is being used (jobs, outsourcing and all), they are being used to (aircraft carrier know how, nuke subs, jets and DRDO's projects. So why be in a marriage that is clearly showing you a divorce? Let's end it before it hurts too much. Smart thinking on the Russian's end

 

[Dalit]

Good, this can act as a catalyst for Indians to buy Rafale faster, and other defense procurement too.

Good idea. The Indian acquisitions will on the contrary alsdo serve as a catalyst for the Russians to sell the Su-35s and other military equipment to Pakistan on a much faster note... It's a win-win Abdul Kalamoo. Make the MMRCA deal happen soon because so far it is an utter joke.

 

[Gandhi follower]

Pakistan can hardly afford it

The number of helicopters agreed upon is far lower than expected, however. At Pakistan's biennial defense exhibition IDEAS held in Karachi in December, a representative from Russian Helicopters told Defense News that the number under discussion was "more than five."

Analysts have said the number under discussion was 20.

Khan said Russia's current economic downturn has dictated the reduction in number for the time being.

"Initial requirement for Mi-35 was for 20 helicopters, which was supported with a line of credit provided by the Russians worth $2 billion," he said. "However, after the sanctions imposed on Russia by the EU and the USA, this line of credit was not possible."

Consequently, Pakistan's "Ministry of Defense was recently allocated funds to purchase four or five with eventual purchase of 20," Khan said.

Pakistan Finalizes Hind Deal With Russia

 

[hell__raider]

Chill out Kid chill out , no need to be emotional , you are buying 20 apaches, we are buying 15 AH-1Z Viper gunships , along with a 1000 hellfires, which are equivalent to apaches, infact they can fire air to air missiles which apaches can't.
Don't compare apples with oranges, Mi-35 is not solely for a gunship role, it can also be used to carry troops, for solely gunship purposes, Pak is going for AH-1Z vipers , whose sale has been approved !!!

We are buying longbow version. It has stinger missile & is better than Viper.

 

[Mani2020]

Calm Down

These are just pressure tactics. Pakistan to pressure the US to release additional F16's and for Russia to pressure India to procure additional MKI's.

If Pakistan is to procure another platform, it is most likely going to be J10's and J11's and not SU35. Russia will most likely not going to be the most reliable partner when procuring such an expensive and advanced platform like this.

Mate If it had been j10 or j11 we would have long seen some conclusive evidence... the fact that j10 deal hasn't seen day light since 2006 itself speaks tons about paf not going for j10 and paf official's statement regarding requirement of twin engine aircraft further pushes possibility of j10 away... so with twin engine we have options to either go for j11 or su35... why would you go for the clone when you can buy the original flanker with much advancements? Besides all these flankers share much commonality so even if Russia plays bad we can source many parts from China.... I wish paf love for f16 to fade away now... world has moved on now it's our time to think ahead and not get stuck with f16s

 

[Super Falcon]

Thanks for your visionary explanation about that but how many SU35 is needed for doing deep strike mission inside India and how could you say that they are not for the defensive purpose and PAF is willing to risk them to do some damage.



This is the great advantage but it makes me feel that it can do deep strike penetration in Indian territory then the point of @abdulbarijan demilishes.



What are the advantages pls?

Speed altitude payload engine radar all are best in bussiness and it is without any upgrade just imagine when its upgrade arrives what it will be

Above all its super manuverability gives its edge over all fighter jets in dog fights

And in bvr fights its radar tracks 6 targets at once at range of 120 km i think

 

[Viper0011.]

Su-35s for Pak :: Pie in the sky

Is Russia planning to win friends in Pakistan and lose influence in India? If Russia sells the advanced Su-35 fighter Aircraft to Pakistan, it is likely to lead to a major diplomatic rift with India.

• According to Ryabkov, increasing military cooperation between Islamabad and Moscow would not negatively impact Russia's ties with India. His statements would vindicate Rao’s decision to wean India away from over-dependence on Russia. Compared with Rao, current Prime Minister Narendra Modi belongs to the right leaning RSS, which is pro-American. He is unlikely to treat such an issue lightly.

There is no major diplomatic rift lol. India has a tendency to use her partners and friends like a toilet paper. The US is next in about next 15 years or so, mark my words. They'll use us for as long as they need our jobs, money and economy. When their GDP grows close to our level and the size of the economy, they'll try to dictate us. Nature of the Indian mentality.

Same recently happened with the Russians and the French. The French were SO pissed off at the Rafale deal that they told India if she didn't purchase the jets, they won't sell other stuff to them, including the Scorpions. Result was that Modi quickly issued an executive order to procure 36 (from over a 120 initially) Rafale jets.

So there is no political rift, its all Indian sponsored propaganda who just don't like the fact that Pakistan and Russia are coming closer. But there is no stopping it either.

Its funny, India can go sell out to uncle Sam for various reasons. But Russia has to be faithful to India. So its like a wife can cheat with another man, but her husband (Russia in this case), has to be faithful to her???? Weird logic!!!

 

[dadeechi]

It was under Andrei Kozyrev’s watch that India diversified away from Russia. Kozyrev (Russian foreign minister from 1990 to 1996), who sought close ties with the West, had declared after the Soviet Union was dissolved that the new Russia would no longer give special importance to India and would in fact treat India and Pakistan as equals. So basically, the country that was indirectly responsible for the deaths of 15,000 Soviet lives during the Afghanistan War was preferred by him over friendly India.

According to Ryabkov, increasing military cooperation between Islamabad and Moscow would not negatively impact Russia's ties with India. His statements would vindicate Rao’s decision to wean India away from over-dependence on Russia. Compared with Rao, current Prime Minister Narendra Modi belongs to the right leaning RSS, which is pro-American. He is unlikely to treat such an issue lightly.

India's tilt towards the West in the in 1990s was result of Russian tilt towards the West but the current Russian tilt towards China & Pakistan is result of India's continued tilt towards the West inspite of Russia tilting back towards India since 2000

 

[$@rJen]

There is no major diplomatic rift lol. India has a tendency to use her partners and friends like a toilet paper. The US is next in about the next 15 years or so, mark my words. They'll use us for as long as they need our jobs, money and economy. When their GDP grows close to our level and the size of the economy, they'll dictate us. Nature of the Indian mentality.

Same recently happened with the Russians and the French. French was SO pissed off at the Rafale that they told India if she didn't purchase the jets, they won't sell other stuff to them, including Scorpions. Result was Modi quickly issues an executive order to procure 36 (from over a 120 initially) Rafale jets.

So there is no political rift, its all Indian sponsored propaganda who just don't like the fact that Pakistan and Russia are coming closer. But there is no stopping it either.

Its funny, India can go sell out to uncle Sam for various reasons. But Russia has to be faithful to India. So its like a wife can cheat with another man, but her husband (Russians in this case), have to be faithful to her???? Weird logic!!!

Oh Look.. finally./... A apkistani Foreign policy expert has Arrived.... We've money we'll do whatever we want from wherever we want....

And Honestly do you really think Pakistan going to get Su-35????

 

[بلندر]

Is Russia planning to win friends in Pakistan and lose influence in India? If Russia sells the advanced Su-35 fighter aircraft to Pakistan, it is likely to lead to a major diplomatic rift with India. So why did Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov make the statement that Russia and Pakistan were “negotiating for the delivery of an unspecified number of Su-35 jets” to Islamabad?

you don't know Russia ... They just want to scare Indians and stop them from buying Western fighters ...

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

bhai, plz change font

whats wrong with thi font?

 

[$@rJen]

you don't know Russia ... They just want to scare Indians and stop them from buying Western fighters ...

Dude... But Rafale is gone... Russians can't do anything now... But in future they'll not allow this to happen that way... now FGFA, upgrade of MKi and the big ticket is Next Gen Submarine which must go to russia.. or else they'll surely sell su-35 to pakistan