Talking with Pakistanis

[aqdus]

yaa , and also need to take all muslims out of india also to pak.... can you take all muslims back?

yes we will be happy to have them but we need land for them " OOH DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT INDIA HAI NA LE LEIN GAE"

 

[dil_dil]

yaa , and also need to take all muslims out of india also to pak.... can you take all muslims back?

Pak already have to many people, if hindus can vacate land from east punjab to agra then Indian muslims can shift there.

 

[Joeblow]

My solution to Kashmir problem; India should give muslim majority Srinagar valley to Pakistan, but retain Jammu and Ladakh. After that we can all be friends. With that said, the UP/Ganga people of India have a serious dislike against Pakistanis since time immemorial.

It was the UP/Ganga people who forced the British to ban Punjabi language. The "sardar jee" jokes also come from the same region. And UP/Ganga region rules over India.

Couple of things, Kashmiris don't want to join Pakistan. So this is really a 3 party dispute. The other thing was pointed out another poster on this thread. All those groups that pakistan has spawned to wage war in Kashmir aren't going to go away just because there is no Kashmir issue one day. They'll just change their target to somewhere else in India. Your solution to that?

 

[dil_dil]

Couple of things, Kashmiris don't want to join Pakistan. So this is really a 3 party dispute. The other thing was pointed out another poster on this thread. All those groups that pakistan has spawned to wage war in Kashmir aren't going to go away just because there is no Kashmir issue one day. They'll just change their target to somewhere else in India. Your solution to that?

When did Kashmiris decide to join anyone? Let me guess Indians are to scared to give Kashmiris that option because even if they don't chose Pak, they will 100% reject Bharat.

 

[ghoul]

Couple of things, Kashmiris don't want to join Pakistan. So this is really a 3 party dispute. The other thing was pointed out another poster on this thread. All those groups that pakistan has spawned to wage war in Kashmir aren't going to go away just because there is no Kashmir issue one day. They'll just change their target to somewhere else in India. Your solution to that?

Nope they'll either die out or target Pakistan. Most of them are Punjab based, and in Punjab they can't fight the police, and the local biradri culture. Recently a rogue Kashmir movement, called the "Punjabi Taliban" was pacified by the Pakistan army.

As for Kashmiris; you can always have a referendum.

 

[Joeblow]

When did Kashmiris decide to join anyone? Let me guess Indians are to scared to give Kashmiris that option because even if they don't chose Pak, they will 100% reject Bharat.

Did you read the part where I described it as a 3 party dispute? Or have you not gotten to numbers yet in school?

Indians aren't really scared, they just don't care enough to do anything about anybody's demands. Cost to them is minimal and kashmir movement is imploding since the WoT made it unfashionable for people to shoot and bomb random people. India has time on their side. So it's in no hurry to do anything.

Nope they'll either die out or target Pakistan. Most of them are Punjab based, and in Punjab they can't fight the police, and the local biradri culture. Recently a rogue Kashmir movement, called the "Punjabi Taliban" was pacified by the Pakistan army.

As for Kashmiris; you can always have a referendum.

They are already talking about Ghazwa-E-Hind. Forgive me for not being convinced that PA is going to take care of them for us .

The reality is that India cannot have a referendum even if India is convinced that it will go in India's favor. If India allows a referendum in kashmir then it will set a precedent for other areas. Soon every village and its village idiot will be demanding a referendum at the drop of the hat. Even if the referendum goes in India's favor, do you think Pakistan and the separatists are going to let it go? They will refuse to accept the results. There will be wild, unsubstantiated accusations of rigging. Right now, support for India is about 2-3% points behind independence in Jammu and Kashmir. Do you really think if India pulls it off, it would be the end of the story? I've attached a link to a poll. It's not just a simple yes or no poll. It's a very indepth poll covering a lot of issues. You might find it an interesting read.

http://www.peacepolls.org/peacepolls/documents/000295.pdf

 

[timetravel]

Give Kashmir, they will wage war for Hyderabad, then they will ask for some other state.

Those fighting India from Pakistan are ISLAMIST RADICALS, not someone fighting for any Kashmiri or normal Pakistani.

Their fight will not stop till everyone in subcontinent is either SHIA or SUNNI. This will go on for next 200 years. Only way to defeat them is EDUCATION/DEMOCRACY/PROGRESS of Masses or complete Military Annihilation or Complete Isolation.

RIght now best solution is to keep trying to talk to Pakistan, and see if any progress can be made in trade and commerce with Pakistan. Effort should be made to promote liberals in Pakistan, and to get them in the govt./administration.

The extremists need to be removed from public life, like Bangladesh govt. has done against the extremists.

Giving Kashmir or any part of lands to Pakistan, will not solve problem, but will create more problems. The ISLAMIC RADICALS will not only think of it as a victory but will start their next mission soon, which will be to ask for Hyderabad or some other portion of Indian lands.

Islamic radicals will stop at nothing less then complete elimination of Hinduism/Buddhism/Sikhism/Moderate Muslims/Christianity/Jews/Ahmadis from the whole region of subcontinent and conversion of this whole area into some Taliban style Shariah state.

I think the problem of Islamic Radicalism may start its decline one day with USA invasion of KSA and QATAR (if efforts to make liberals stronger fails).

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Pak already have to many people, if hindus can vacate land from east punjab to agra then Indian muslims can shift there.

haven't you get the land for your whole muslims population 1947? ...... indian muslims basically a burden left back and didn't gone back to PAK / Bangadesh..

 

[aqdus]

we dont have anything to loose. we already have bigger part of Kashmir. please you(FROM GAY LAND OF EVIL) are also welcome to throw us out of Kashmir.


and they should be sent to pakistan as soon as possible. why should we carry burden??

OOh you dont have any thing to loose oh man you are making me laugh again and again such a good show
And burden ??? dont worry it will be taken from you with most of your land SOON and one thing more (GAY HIND)

 

[aqdus]

not in mood of fighting. feeling very sad for deaths of innocent children's.
may god give you people strength to overcome this tragedy.

I really respect your comment. Thanx for your condolences. May God give us strength to overcome this tragedy.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Talkative children will be punished.

 

[Leviza]

Even through the Cold war we made several deals with USSR, and they with us. We were not friends.

The problem in this theater is the existence of self defeating 'absolutes' on Kashmir, which not only blocks any deal making elsewhere, but hurts Pakistan more so than India. The calmer minds within the Pakistani diplomatic and civilian administration circles also lament this hurdle.

Also, there are some real fears that don't get much play in the media. Like- IF through some miracle India were to give up everything, there still would be a few terrorist groups within Pakistan that will not rest till their 'Qua-ish' of taking over Hyderabad or some other state within India is completed next.

Groups like the LET will change its charter from Kashmir, rename itself to Ghazwa- e-hind or something, and continue its attacks in India. If you think these harden groups are going to be packing up, you will be fooling yourself.

The best solution is calling it a day and accepting current boundaries on both sides.

nice, you pick few things from Pakistan side and said what ever you felt like ... but you didn't either know or bothered to ack. that why there are 700K army in kashmir ? why indian army raping, killing locals for ?
Man these Kashmirs are determined for their freedom like any other occupied nation ..

There are 100s of terrorist groups in india which try to kill every muslim and other minorities.. do you have anything to say about that ??? do not come up with standard answer

 

[Pichkari]

nice, you pick few things from Pakistan side and said what ever you felt like ... but you didn't either know or bothered to ack. that why there are 700K army in kashmir ? why indian army raping, killing locals for ?
Man these Kashmirs are determined for their freedom like any other occupied nation ..

There are 100s of terrorist groups in india which try to kill every muslim and other minorities.. do you have anything to say about that ??? do not come up with standard answer

Same standard rants will evoke the same 'standard ' answers.

There may be 100's of terrorist groups in India but are they bothering Pakistan?Who they kill and dont kill in the rest of india shouldn't be of pakistans concern ,sanely speaking.

There is Indian army in kashmir for the same reason there is Pakistani army in baluchistan or there was PLA in tibet.
You took offense to his post but clearly missed the point he was trying to make.