Taliban warns of 'big war' if Pak attacks N Waziristan

[jarnee]

Forget about aid, how come a sovereign country allow militias to have a free run in their country. Then later you have to use force to clear these areas, why in first place allow them?

I will agree with Hilary Clinton here, she admitted that they created a mess in Afganistan and pakistan in late 80's to defeat soviets

 

[jarnee]

AM,

You know well they love dying with enemy bullet and war, it is their life , just like pig in the mud.

They will never accept to lay down their arms and after eight years they proved it true.

I think you are right, they can only be fooled not defeated.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I will agree with Hilary Clinton here, she admitted that they created a mess in Afganistan and pakistan in late 80's to defeat soviets

She said no such thing. She merely said that the USA SHARES some of the blame. The mess was created first and foremost by the Afghanis themselves, followed by the Soviets seeking another client state, followed by the Pakistanis seeking strategic depth, followed by the zealots in the Gulf States seeking to promote Wahabism, then, a distant fifth, MAY come the USA.

 

[Awesome]

I have no issues with Pakistan going to war with the Haqqanis, the bottom line is, Pakistan must be vacated by foreign troops. North Waziristan is a large territory, that belongs to us.

Big war? No problem, by just threatening that they've sealed this enmity.

Now who wants to cry Afghan Taliban?

S-2 What did I tell ya? There's not even a snowballs chance in hell that we won't ultimately move onto these groups. Expect Rah-e-Nijat to be wrapped up by Summer and evacuations from North Waziristan to have commenced.

Vacating the civilian population is very important, as the war is as good as lost if the negative PR results from improper management of the evacuations.

I don't know about some of the comments here, I'm only too glad this is happening. Pakistan can only get stronger by the elimination of Mullahs from the country.

This is sort of the final major frontier left to conquer. I wonder if Haqqani and Bahadur will fight together. The plan should be the same, keep the conflict manageable, go after one idiot at a time. Kayani has managed COIN operations brilliantly.

 

[Awesome]

She said no such thing. She merely said that the USA SHARES some of the blame. The mess was created first and foremost by the Afghanis themselves, followed by the Soviets seeking another client state, followed by the Pakistanis seeking strategic depth, followed by the zealots in the Gulf States seeking to promote Wahabism, then, a distant fifth, MAY come the USA.

While all the groups have similar rankings

 

[Awesome]

Under the Constitution, FATA is included among the “territories” of Pakistan (Article 1). It is represented in the National Assembly and the Senate but remains under the direct executive authority of the President (Articles 51, 59 and 247). Laws framed by the National Assembly do not apply here unless so ordered by the President, who is also empowered to issue regulations for the “peace and good government” of the tribal areas. Today, FATA continues to be governed primarily through the Frontier Crimes Regulation 1901. It is administered by Governor of the NWFP in his capacity as an agent to the President of Pakistan, under the overall supervision of the Ministry of States and Frontier Regions in Islamabad (Khan, 2005).


FATA [ Federally Administered Tribal Area ]

That is according to our own constitution. An amendment is necessary to combine FATA into NWFP, or form a new province altogether.

 

[Awesome]

AM,

You know well they love dying with enemy bullet and war, it is their life , just like pig in the mud.

They will never accept to lay down their arms and after eight years they proved it true.

We like them dying by their enemy's bullets too.

 

[TOPGUN]

TALIBANS are caliing for their DOOM

They sure are calling for their DOOM forsure ... lol they say big words out of small cowardly mouths called talking from the rear i hope if Pak army does go to do more opertions i hope they kill all these cowards and bring back peace in the country its enough now time for a end to these terriost once and for all.

 

[TechLahore]

She said no such thing. She merely said that the USA SHARES some of the blame. The mess was created first and foremost by the Afghanis themselves, followed by the Soviets seeking another client state, followed by the Pakistanis seeking strategic depth, followed by the zealots in the Gulf States seeking to promote Wahabism, then, a distant fifth, MAY come the USA.

Your Secretary of State is on record for having said that the Government of the United States, at the level of the President, was complicit in creating a situation that they *knew* would lead to a Soviet invasion and they encouraged this because they though it would be a "Bear Trap".

I don't mean any disrespect, but before you rank all the players by order of guilt with such finality, you need to read history more deeply and with a greater sense of balance. Shooting from the hip discredits your perspective.

Here is the interview: CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

Relevant parts below:

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up ******* or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up *******? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

 

[waraich66]

That is according to our own constitution. An amendment is necessary to combine FATA into NWFP, or form a new province altogether.

It depend on will of FATA tribes by force can you win thier will?

 

[Vassnti]

Am i correct that the people threatening a "big war" were the same ones that promised the same thing in swat and south Waziristan untill the army moved in then ran like rabits?

 

[TruthSeeker]

I don't mean any disrespect, but before you rank all the players by order of guilt with such finality, you need to read history more deeply and with a greater sense of balance. Shooting from the hip discredits your perspective.

I'm not shooting from the hip. Read "Ghost Wars" by Steve Coll for an in-depth history. It is from Coll's history of the pre-9/11 conflicts in Afghanistan that I derive my rankings.

 

[Solomon2]

In a sense, this is good news, for the bigger the war the bigger the victory, and it's a battle the P.A. would be sure to win. On the other hand, the announcement also implies that the Taliban strategy will be to create refugees, hide among them, and run away from Pakistan to seek shelter in Afghanistan until a brighter day for their cause shines again. Don't the Pashtuns have a tradition of giving sanctuary to those who ask, even their enemies?

 

[waraich66]

In a sense, this is good news, for the bigger the war the bigger the victory, and it's a battle the P.A. would be sure to win. On the other hand, the announcement also implies that the Taliban strategy will be to create refugees, hide among them, and run away from Pakistan to seek shelter in Afghanistan until a brighter day for their cause shines again. Don't the Pashtuns have a tradition of giving sanctuary to those who ask, even their enemies?

Pushtoon dont give sactuary to their enemies but they have tradition of revenge like camel , Arab and Pushtoons are basically cousins( bani Israel and bani Ismael).

 

[FreekiN]

Taliban warns of 'big war' if Pak attacks N Waziristan

The Taliban has an exquisite vocabulary.
'Big war' lol