Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan

[SaadH]

What happened in 1948 was last and final and now neither side is capable of taking Kashmir from each other because of nukes. Neither side has given each other Kashmir, we took it from Kashmiris.
I would expect a more rationale and mature response from you.

On the contrary Pakistan had ample opportunities since '48 to retake Kashmir, the best of which came in '62 when China handed it to us on a platter but we refused as Ayub being a loyal colonial sepoy didn't want to get on the bad side of his master Kennedy.

 

[TheSolution]

On the contrary Pakistan had ample opportunities since '48 to retake Kashmir, the best of which came in '62 when China handed it to us on a platter but we refused as Ayub being a loyal colonial sepoy didn't want to get on the bad side of his master Kennedy.

And we ended up going to war in '65 anyway

 

[SIPRA]

And we ended up going to war in '65 anyway

A Himalayan Blunder.

 

[Titanium100]

Only reason this was possible is because of political instability and low morale.

India has a really strong opportunity to shake the very foundation of Pakistan on ethnic terms and question it's existence which it's doing very well.

It has many fifth columnists sitting online in the guise of "progressive liberals" while all they do is fuel instability and separatist elements. They know exactly how to pull their mental strings.

Pakistan has failed on every front. And even now it refuses to rectify it's institutions to set things back on track. The establishment is an ignorant and egotistical bunch.


Read above - the public has lost complete trust in the ability and character of it's rulers and the competency of the institutions. They are unsure of their own internal situation so thinking of anything external is out of the question.

The ONLY way to fix this situation is to bring in new faces and provide concrete visible development.

The Indian Bleek is in free flow...

I am gonna tell you this listen carefully forget India taking AK or GB which is nearly impossible due to terrain..

Pakistan has realistic chance of annexing India entirely and it comes down to cultural elements which has major indiction. The Indians aren't exactly suited for the wear or tear real life scenarios..

It depends on who leads Pakistan with an ambitious overhead ruler who wants an arm and leg would be ideal.. Technology wise Pak-Ind are a match but where we have to defeat them is the tactical manvouring as the Indians are bound to commit miscalculations over inflating themselves which plays into our strengths.

A well drilled oiled Pakistan is capable of annexing India. They aren't many martial people in India and the englishmen classifacations weren't exacly a fallacy and they have been accused of racism or what not for that but they were just being frank they saw that this people weren't exactly bulit for warfare again cultural elements at play here.

There offensive will difficult due to terrain limitions and the offensive can only go southwards..

People keep making the same mistake when they are measuring India because they see this huge country and assume difficulty but once you cut thru the North the remaining falls without much struggle and I mean the deccan regions and the southern portion. The North will fight and especially the Indian armed forces.

The rest of the country is held hostage by the northernes and if you take out there chief. The Tamils example won't engage in a fight they know they will lose because if they see the north battered they won't bother and instead try to negotiate for separation deal with Pakistan to not join the war so that the tamils can have their own country etc etc and other states may follow suit seeking last min deals with Pakistan that will allow their own countries along ethnic lines

 

[Dalit]

Just like 1971???

Yes, we should ready for two front war.. Nothing wrong.

But it is also fact that china will never fight for Pakistan.. You need to ask to yourself, why would any country will fight a war for any other country and risk own people lifes and that also, if you are going to fight a nuclear state and their missiles can reach you cities.

Don't worry man. Pakistan is enough for you.

 

[manpk77]

Pakistan should declare AJK as the province and get over with it.

True, just like India removed A370 Pakistan should scrap Karachi Agreement and declare AJK as Jammu and Kashmir.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Pakistanis are too occupied by supporting the Palestinian cause and cheering for Azerbiajans victory over Armenia.
No Pakistani has time to support J&K

 

[SecularNationalist]

On the contrary Pakistan had ample opportunities since '48 to retake Kashmir, the best of which came in '62 when China handed it to us on a platter but we refused as Ayub being a loyal colonial sepoy didn't want to get on the bad side of his master Kennedy.

Our awaam is a master of making such assumptions.
At that time our relationship with China was nothing like we have today plus india getting defeated like that from China is far different than getting defeated by Pakistan.

 

[SIPRA]

Our awaam is a master of making such assumptions.
At that time our relationship with China was nothing like we have today plus india getting defeated like that from China is far different than getting defeated by Pakistan.

Too many ridiculous misperceptions are their regarding China-India war of 1962, and why Pakistan didn't jump in.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan​

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Pakistan-Controlled Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.​

New Delhi,UPDATED: Dec 12, 2022 12:26 IST

Now that elections are over, we may hear less of ‘India is ready to take over Azad Kashmir’, but wait for the next round of polls. This might make a comeback.

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Azad Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.

There is a Parliamentary resolution of 1994 passed in both houses that says the entire Jammu & Kashmir and Ladakh are an integral part of India. The map of India also shows the entire region within the geographical boundaries of the country.

However, things are different on the ground, with both China and Pakistan in possession of these areas. It’s time we cut the hyperbole and let the citizens know the actual ground situation.

To put it simply, India faces the threat of China and Pakistan coming together in a scenario like this. India’s action in Azad Kashmir will likely prompt a Chinese intervention.

China’s economic and strategic interests in Azad Kashmir have almost turned parts of the region into a Chinese colony.

This is even more significant in the wake of the statement made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, “This is not an era of war.”

Pakistan ceded Shaksgam Valley which is north of the Siachen Glacier, held by India in 1963, which paved the way for the Karakoram Highway by Pakistan and China.

To the west of Siachen Glacier is the Gilgit-Balitistan region or the northern areas under Pakistani control. To the west of India’s J&K is what Pakistan refers to as Azad Kashmir.

In the current context, there is too much at stake for China as it looks to expand the China Pakistan Economic Corridor which cuts through areas occupied by Kashmir.

CPEC is a bilateral project between China and Pakistan with a large network of roads, railways and pipelines spanning across 3000 km that will facilitate trade between China, Pakistan and other countries in the region.

The project aims to enhance infrastructure in Pakistan and also connect China’s Xinjiang province to ports like Gwadar and Karachi in Pakistan, giving a fillip to trade between the two countries. Pictures of Chinese PLA soldiers have emerged guarding CPEC projects.

Xinjiang borders India’s Ladakh and CPEC cuts through the strategic Karakoram Range going into Pakistan. The 1300 km long Karakoram Highway connects China and Pakistan across the Karakoram mountains, making it the highest paved international road in the world.

The Karakoram Pass is north of Ladakh and is strategic for India and China as it falls on the boundary between the Indian Territory of Ladakh and China's Xinjiang autonomous region in Tibet. The all-critical Siachen Glacier under Indian control falls in the Eastern Karakoram Range. Other countries bordering Xinjiang are Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Mongolia to the northeast.

The official launch of CPEC took place on April 20, 2015, when Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Chinese President Xi Jinping signed 51 agreements and Memorandums of Understanding with a combined value of $46 billion.

China has been eyeing to extend the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) which is the flagship project of CPEC. BRI is the new name for the earlier OBOR, One Belt One Road CPEC and another five corridors which deliver infrastructure development in more than 65 countries, accounting for 60% of the world’s population and 40% of global GDP, according to the CPEC website

The US withdrawal from Afghanistan and takeover by the Taliban has prompted China to push forward its cherished dream of extending the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Kabul.

Former Indian Air Force Chief RKS Bhadauria, when in service while speaking at an event in 2020, said, Pakistan is becoming a pawn in Chinese policy and could use the country to enter Afghanistan after the exit of US forces.

“The US exit from Afghanistan has opened options for China in the region, both direct and through Pakistan, allowing it entry into Central Asia, a region they have been eyeing for long,” he said.

India is closely tracking China’s response to developments in Afghanistan and sources say Beijing is looking at opportunities to exploit Pakistan for enhancing its reach in the war-torn country.

According to reviews by the security establishment in India, China has once again proposed the construction of the Peshawar-Kabul motorway as an extension of CPEC in Afghanistan.

With this kind of foothold in the Azad Kashmir, it’s unlikely that the Chinese will sit back and see a military operation in the region. Chinese aggression in eastern Ladakh is part of its ploy to deny India any chance of dominating the Karakoram Highway, among others.

The developments in Eastern Ladakh since May 2020 are a clear indication of Chinese intentions and it is certainly not limited to Aksai Chin.

https://www.indiatoday.in/opinion-c...china-and-pakistan-opinion-2308077-2022-12-12

I don't think India will ever be able to conquer Pakistani Kashmir and Chinese Aksai Chin.

It is impossible now, India cannot afford a two front war with two enemies.

Hopefully one day China and Pakistan will take the rest of Kashmir from India.

India does not stand a chance.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Too many ridiculous misperceptions are their regarding China-India war of 1962, and why Pakistan didn't jump in.

You know actually it's the failure of India they didn't take AJK from us. They had a far better chance of taking it till 1998 when we became a nuclear state. India was always superior to us in economy and conventional warfare. Heck they didn't even take it during 1971.

 

[terry5]

India cannot take AJK because of the local Kashmiris the pukhtoons who liberated it together and because of America .

Pakistan Army is just a show pony under the boots of the yanks as it was under the British when Azad Kashmir was liberated .

My take if America says jump Pakistani generals say “ how high sir” also consider if the Kashmiris want to be a part of Pakistan anymore as narrative is changing from what I read

 

[JohnyD]

India will certainly try to reclaim lost kashmir at right time when it has all means and majority support from big 5s...India may not have the means today but if u see its economic strength is growing year after year so mobilizing the required resources and create the means in future might not be the impossible task

 

[Titanium100]

India will certainly try to reclaim lost kashmir at right time when it has all means and majority support from big 5s...India may not have the means today but if u see its economic strength is growing year after year so mobilizing the required resources and create the means in future might not be the impossible task

I support this initiative and I do have in my calculations during this half century India will finally commit the miscalculation I am counting on..

We will most certainly have counter for that knowing this far well ahead.. The price could be whole of India because when you commit miscalculation there is risk and rewards. Our best counter would be taking that opportunity and turning into massive global conflict between civilizations at scales never seen before..

Pakistan's goal should be to go per minimum as far as the deccans and keep the remaining states as weakened indian states because if the North goes that's basically it for India..

Coming hard down on the north for the sole propose of disheartening the remaining..

 

[JohnyD]

I support this initiative and I do have in my calculations during this half century India will finally commit the miscalculation I am counting on..

We will most certainly have counter for that knowing this far well ahead.. The price could be whole of India because when you commit miscalculation there is risk and rewards. Our best counter would be taking that opportunity and turning into massive global conflict between civilizations at scales never seen before..

Pakistan's goal should be to go per minimum far as the deccans and keep the remaining states as weakened indian states because if the North goes that's basically it for India

Sir, sorry but disagree..worst and best thing Pak can do is nuke but you never know future, looking at Pak's last one decade economic and political state of affairs, pak might surrender its nukes in future for bankrupcy bailout..India will consider worst case scenaio before making any adventure, the risk will be calculated success might not be the outcome