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Takeaways for India from the Su-24 shoot down

Its high Time India too goes for a upgrade of its ground attack fighters like Jaguars and give them teeth to perform air to air combat side by side there original role @Ground attack and give them cover with latest and most Fearsome Fighter jets in south asia the mighty MKI .

I have a question for Turks, why don't you guys dare to attack Russian Air crafts now ? s 400 plus Air Dominance fighters will Eat F 16 in seconds, Come one Guys, this is not right to attack a Bomber. A single Engine fighter has no chance in front of twin Engine Fighters.
slight correction ...i think F-16 is single engined fighter while Su-24 is a double engined ground attack jet fighter :D
 
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The Russia-Turkey stand off has just started, Putin won't let this go at 0-1.

And this ISIS will bite Turkey someday....idiots are feeding the wild dogs. Sometimes I feel that this ISIS migration to NATO countries under cover of refugees is 'Karma'.
 
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Non sense......
F16 is most successful dog fighter in modern history. Even if pair of Mig29 were there then still F16 have done the job. Mig29 is praised very highly but it yet to achieve a single aerial kill in it's 40+ year life span.......
I can take that for US F-16.......not for PAF F-16's U talk alot.....pls if possible post a link about PAF F-16's downing a mig-29 or an Su-30....
 
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I have a question for Turks, why don't you guys dare to attack Russian Air crafts now ? s 400 plus Air Dominance fighters will Eat F 16 in seconds, Come one Guys, this is not right to attack a Bomber. A single Engine fighter has no chance in front of twin Engine Fighters.
Let them eat first, then we'll have long talks. Our "dudes in bed sheet" physically ate whatever they had during the Soviet era!!
 
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I have a question for Turks, why don't you guys dare to attack Russian Air crafts now ? s 400 plus Air Dominance fighters will Eat F 16 in seconds, Come one Guys, this is not right to attack a Bomber. A single Engine fighter has no chance in front of twin Engine Fighters.
A mere news of S400, Su 30SM will deter turkish F-16 to keep away from the Border, at the present condition.
Turkish F-16 have no chance against air superiority fighter jet like Sukhoi. How ever Su-24/25 is the best tool against ISIS, due to its payload, reach, armour against machine guns, twin engine reliability.
 
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NATO F-16s ripped MiG-29s of Yugoslavia like a tissue paper. They are formidable machines. In the hands of right pilot, they will outperform MiGs any day.

Turkish F-16s were given the responsibility to bring down infiltrator IF he violates Turkish airspace. That's exactly what they did and they will do it again in similar situation. S-300/400, Su-30 etc don't matter. Case is similar for Pakistani F-16s guarding our airspace during Afghan conflict and Kargil. When Indian aircraft violated out airspace, we brought them down. They didn't dare to do it again. If they had we would shoot them again. Jumping up and down while IAF didn't dare to cross into our airspace even though our artillary was firing into Indian positions doesn't make for strong case of victory. PAF F-16s were not asked to cross into Indian side. I fail to see where is the superiority of Indians in this?
 
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NATO F-16s ripped MiG-29s of Yugoslavia like a tissue paper. They are formidable machines. In the hands of right pilot, they will outperform MiGs any day.

Turkish F-16s were given the responsibility to bring down infiltrator IF he violates Turkish airspace. That's exactly what they did and they will do it again in similar situation. S-300/400, Su-30 etc don't matter. Case is similar for Pakistani F-16s guarding our airspace during Afghan conflict and Kargil. When Indian aircraft violated out airspace, we brought them down. They didn't dare to do it again. If they had we would shoot them again. Jumping up and down while IAF didn't dare to cross into our airspace even though our artillary was firing into Indian positions doesn't make for strong case of victory. PAF F-16s were not asked to cross into Indian side. I fail to see where is the superiority of Indians in this?
Subhay Ho gayi hai Mammu Wake Up

Most of the mig29 with the serbia was inferiour and mostly without or faulty radars, without Awaac BVR and several times smaller in number. Most of the Mig 29 kills are with the name of F-15 with long range BVR and not f-16. Here is an asserts of the review of the german mig 29 which is also very old of 80's and not modern mig 29 smt.

Among the pilots that amassed experience at the controls of the Luftwaffe Fulcrums, there was the Oberstleutenant (the Luftwaffe rank equal to Lieutenant Colonel) Johann Koeck who, after flying the F-4 Phantom, became commander of the only Luftwaffe MiG-29 squadron .....................

Due to these limitations the integration in the NATO environments of the Luftwaffe MiG-29s was really hard and restricted to only few roles: as adversary threat aircraft for air combat training, for point defense, and as wing (but not lead) in Mixed Fighter Force Operations.

Nevertheless the onboard systems were still too limited, especially the radar, the radar warning receiver, and the navigation system. These restrictions brought to several problems that the Fulcrum pilots faced in tactical scenarios, such as a poor presentation of the radar information (which led to poor situational awareness and identification problems), a short BVR weapons range and a bad navigation system.

But despite all these limitations, once the furball started, the Fulcrum was the perfect fighter to fly. In fact thanks to its superb aerodynamics and helmet mounted sight, the MiG-29 was an exceptional fighter for close-in combat, even compared to aircraft like the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18.

As Koeck recalls “Inside ten nautical miles I’m hard to defeat, and with the IRST, helmet sight and ‘Archer’ (which is the NATO designation for the R-73 missile) I can’t be beaten. Even against the latest Block 50 F-16s the MiG-29 is virtually invulnerable in the close-in scenario. On one occasion I remember the F-16s did score some kills eventually, but only after taking 18 ‘Archers’ (Just as we might seldom have got close-in if they used their AMRAAMs BVR!) They couldn’t believe it at the debrief, they got up and left the room!”

Moreover with a 28 deg/sec instantaneous turn rate (compared to the Block 50 F-16’s 26 deg) the MiG-29 could out-turn them: in fact the Fulcrum retained an edge over its adversaries thanks to its unmatched agility which was reached combining an advanced aerodynamics with an old-fashioned mechanical control system.

After one of the German Fulcrums was sold for evaluations to the U.S. in 1991, the remaining 22 MiG-29s served until 2003, when they were sold to Polish Air Force for the symbolic sum of 1 Euro each.
 
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I can take that for US F-16.......not for PAF F-16's U talk alot.....pls if possible post a link about PAF F-16's downing a mig-29 or an Su-30....
SU 30 havn't seen any battle ground yet,,, its a kid man in front of F16,,, F16 is continously evolving and best dog fighter ever,,, MIG 29 is no match F16 block 52, do some internet research for comparison,,,
 
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NATO F-16s ripped MiG-29s of Yugoslavia like a tissue paper. They are formidable machines. In the hands of right pilot, they will outperform MiGs any day.

Turkish F-16s were given the responsibility to bring down infiltrator IF he violates Turkish airspace. That's exactly what they did and they will do it again in similar situation. S-300/400, Su-30 etc don't matter. Case is similar for Pakistani F-16s guarding our airspace during Afghan conflict and Kargil. When Indian aircraft violated out airspace, we brought them down. They didn't dare to do it again. If they had we would shoot them again. Jumping up and down while IAF didn't dare to cross into our airspace even though our artillary was firing into Indian positions doesn't make for strong case of victory. PAF F-16s were not asked to cross into Indian side. I fail to see where is the superiority of Indians in this?
still living in past :lol: oh wait we know how MIghty F-16s of PAF performed against puny Mig29s of IAF in 1999 :omghaha:

SU 30 havn't seen any battle ground yet,,, its a kid man in front of F16,,, F16 is continously evolving and best dog fighter ever,,, MIG 29 is no match F16 block 52, do some internet research for comparison,,,
You sure about that last i read on this forum only that PAFs F-16 Blk52s need to get new source codes before every sortie uploaded by American specialists based on PAF bases and have many "Bugs & kill switches" against there usage in certain conditions :azn:
 
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Subhay Ho gayi hai Mammu Wake Up

Most of the mig29 with the serbia was inferiour and mostly without or faulty radars, without Awaac BVR and several times smaller in number. Most of the Mig 29 kills are with the name of F-15 with long range BVR and not f-16. Here is an asserts of the review of the german mig 29 which is also very old of 80's and not modern mig 29 smt.

F-15 and F-16 use same air to air armament ; AIM-120, AIM-9 and same gun. Serbian MiG-29s were not without BVR. Pakistani F-16s were without BVR in Kargil yet IAF wouldn't dare to cross into our airspace.

Again, let me elaborate it for your ease. F-16s when armed with its full air to air compliment (AIM-120 and AWACS) will rip MiG-29 and Su-30 like a toilet paper when in the hands of right pilot. There is a reason Russian aircraft fall like flies whenever they meet US air power in every conflict of modern history.
 
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F-15 and F-16 use same air to air armament ; AIM-120, AIM-9 and same gun. Serbian MiG-29s were not without BVR. Pakistani F-16s were without BVR in Kargil yet IAF wouldn't dare to cross into our airspace.

Again, let me elaborate it for your ease. F-16s when armed with its full air to air compliment (AIM-120 and AWACS) will rip MiG-29 and Su-30 like a toilet paper when in the hands of right pilot. There is a reason Russian aircraft fall like flies whenever they meet US air power in every conflict of modern history.
so you Think Indians Dont Have Long Range BVRs and AWACS cover :azn:and if russian jets were so bad how come chinese who make more than 6 types of russian flanker clones still buying Su-35 and why just a few weeks back all pakistanies were singing such high praises of Su-35 or is it a case of sour grapes :azn:
 
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You sure about that last i read on this forum only that PAFs F-16 Blk52s need to get new source codes before every sortie uploaded by American specialists based on PAF bases and have many "Bugs & kill switches" against there usage in certain conditions :azn:
That was not the query that was just a question that if there is any probability ,,, No body put a kill switch in aircraft ,, if they do their market will be over
 
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That was not the query that was just a question that if there is any probability ,,, No body put a kill switch in aircraft ,, if they do their market will be over
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