Taiwan's armed forces capable of deterring China: Minister

[iajj]

If anyone pays attention to current Taiwanese politics, you'd know that most Taiwanese people are actually quite...resentful to say the least, of the United States and even Japan. The Diaoyutai dispute has taken its toll. I'd say many of them favor reunification willingly.

i strongly suspect you are a disgusting debazi trying to con right-minded chinese and score some goodwill points with us.

no need to play such tricks because no one is fooled: debazi will forever be in the first line of fire in a chinese attack on your sugardaddies nipponzi and anglosaxons.

 

[chhota bheem]

This is a political question, not a military question. A political question because Taiwan has no Brahmos, so it has no hope.



Its one thing to talk the talk. Another matter when push comes to shove. Vietnam would not engage in an actual war with China. The real weapons of 21st century is economic power. And Vietnam is very weak in this front.

Seriously dude it seems you have no views of taiwan.you can comment on vietnam but not on taiwan.

 

[Kolaps]

Don't take the article seriously.

Everyone know Taiwan has a very little change to win against mainland invasion. Before the invasion everyone will leave Taiwan, even the military personnel too and all the big-mouth politicians. Everyone know the outcome, no need to think twice. The only people who still stay in Taiwan is probably part of the mainland soldiers welcoming party and some people who don't care what happen in outside world beyond his home.

It just politicians need something to say as official statement to the public, as they should do, whatever it just empty words.

 

[jhungary]

Wait, Germany actually planned to invade Switzerland, but D-Day pretty much put the entire operation on hold. It had nothing to do with the strength of the Swiss, but rather the war in the western front.

With Sweden, it was because the Swedes gave major concessions to the Germans.

So unless you're trying to say that Taiwan should either give some concessions to the mainland, or that a foreign intervention would stop any form of aggression, I don't have any idea what your trying to say.

Humor me, what is the answer?

If yo0u have to talk about PLAN, Germany also PLANNED to attack Britain, plan does not matter, i can tell you Germany have plan for each and what planned does not matter, what actually happened did. US also have a plan for Japanese Homeland invasion, they choose to use A-Bomb in the end, does that mean the US does not have to resource to do such attack??

The reason why Germany did not follow up the plan to invade switzerland and US planned but did not invade Toyko is simple, it will serve them more worse than good to do such plan, hence they did not choose to do it.

China did planned (and indeed gone) to war with Taiwan during the 1950, it is not as you say they PLANNED, but they were turned back by the fierce island fighting and Korean war broke out, the "PLAN" did not materialised

And i also have to say Both German and Allied Force did PLANNED to go to war with sweden to force the out of the region but both plan failed one way or another.

Apprenerly, you have no idea what have you said...It does not matter if it was planned or not, but rather why the PLAN does not go ahead, and you are saying if you have the answer why??

And there are more to it to why Sweden stayed neutral during the whole war, not just concession to Germany

 

[Mugwop]

@Wholegrain

What are your views about this?

 

[That Guy]

If yo0u have to talk about PLAN, Germany also PLANNED to attack Britain, plan does not matter, i can tell you Germany have plan for each and what planned does not matter, what actually happened did. US also have a plan for Japanese Homeland invasion, they choose to use A-Bomb in the end, does that mean the US does not have to resource to do such attack??

The reason why Germany did not follow up the plan to invade switzerland and US planned but did not invade Toyko is simple, it will serve them more worse than good to do such plan, hence they did not choose to do it.

China did planned (and indeed gone) to war with Taiwan during the 1950, it is not as you say they PLANNED, but they were turned back by the fierce island fighting and Korean war broke out, the "PLAN" did not materialised

And i also have to say Both German and Allied Force did PLANNED to go to war with sweden to force the out of the region but both plan failed one way or another.

Apprenerly, you have no idea what have you said...It does not matter if it was planned or not, but rather why the PLAN does not go ahead, and you are saying if you have the answer why??

And there are more to it to why Sweden stayed neutral during the whole war, not just concession to Germany

I'd like to know what any of this has to do with the hypothetical situation I brought up. By the way, you didn't really answer your own question or mine for that matter.

As for the previous China Taiwan conflicts, I'd like to repeat myself, China did not have the capabilities and still doesn't have the capability to invade Taiwan. This takes time to develop, which they are.

 

[peaceful]

oh, I am so worried.

are they going to attack the mainland, capture Shanghai and bomb Beijing?

 

[peaceful]

As for the previous China Taiwan conflicts, I'd like to repeat myself, China did not have the capabilities and still doesn't have the capability to invade Taiwan. This takes time to develop, which they are.

This is BS.

Taiwan's defense minister repeatedly confirmed in public that they can only defend itself for two weeks under such "invasion". China did have two wars with the US, they are called Korea and Vietnam, China didn't lose any of them. Bringing the US into the equation won't solve the problem as the question No.1 here is why should US tax payers fund a war with China for Taiwan.

Taiwan's defense minister repeatedly confirmed in public that they can only defend itself for two weeks under such "invasion":
李敖 VS 台国防部长李杰 - YouTube

You can keep repeating yourself, that won't change anything.

 

[S10]

China has surpassed Taiwan technologically more than 10 years ago. Taiwan itself is no longer the objective. China's goal is to have a strong enough military in the Pacific to rival that of United States in case the Americans want to stick their nose into our civil war.

 

[walle]

This is BS.

Taiwan's defense minister repeatedly confirmed in public that they can only defend itself for two weeks under such "invasion". China did have two wars with the US, they are called Korea and Vietnam, China didn't lose any of them. Bringing the US into the equation won't solve the problem as the question No.1 here is why should US tax payers fund a war with China for Taiwan.

Taiwan's defense minister repeatedly confirmed in public that they can only defend itself for two weeks under such "invasion":
李敖 VS 台国防部长李杰 - YouTube

You can keep repeating yourself, that won't change anything.

That video is more than a decade old, still talking about chinese missiles in their hundreds.

 

[Kolaps]

If anyone pays attention to current Taiwanese politics, you'd know that most Taiwanese people are actually quite...resentful to say the least, of the United States and even Japan. The Diaoyutai dispute has taken its toll. I'd say many of them favor reunification willingly.

Talk about reunification...that is hard to say.

Before asking for reunification, we want to ask, How good China is?

Reunification is not depend on Taiwan, it's all depend on the mainland government and people hand. If mainland government serve the people well, not just Taiwan want reunification, even most countries in China border too. Exiled Tibetans will kneel before you.

But so far...no, BIG NO!

 

[Hafizzz]

http://blunderbussinmumbai.blogspot.ca/2010/02/india-new-us-lapdog.html

If China wanted to sink Taiwan to the bottom of the East China Sea she could easily do so because she has over 1000 medium range missiles deployed right across the straits and no Patriot Missile can intercept all those missiles.

 

[Kolaps]

China has surpassed Taiwan technologically more than 10 years ago. Taiwan itself is no longer the objective. China's goal is to have a strong enough military in the Pacific to rival that of United States in case the Americans want to stick their nose into our civil war.

I don't think Taiwan military technology lack behind of mainland. We may be not as technology advanced as it supposed to be, because you are protesting too much to US for selling good military hardware to Taiwan! South Korea and Japan will get F35...and Taiwan change is ZERO.

US is also fear to sell advanced military hardware to Taiwan because they don't trust us. Well, we are the same Chinese as the mainland are. We are too good to the mainland, that is why US distrust with us in the potential that we will give all US military secret to mainland.


I don't see China will have a military power as capable as US in the Pacific Ocean until beyond 2050. US today capable to launch invasion to the mainland China and won. China will need to takes decades before able to invade US mainland. Not to mention that you don't have a wide access to the Pacific Ocean, as you are blockaded and surrounded.

If China want to win over US. You need to develop a new military tactic and technology that the world never seen, not just following US all the time shamelessly. A completely new tactic and technology that will make any modern military warfare absolute.

 

[jhungary]

I'd like to know what any of this has to do with the hypothetical situation I brought up. By the way, you didn't really answer your own question or mine for that matter.

As for the previous China Taiwan conflicts, I'd like to repeat myself, China did not have the capabilities and still doesn't have the capability to invade Taiwan. This takes time to develop, which they are.

Let make this clear here & now

The situation you are talking about is a hypothetical situation of a total invasion of PRC against Taiwan, right?

Let Assume wikipedia is right, PLA have a strength of 4 millions soldier, active + reserve, and ROC only have .4 mil

Problem with this and the Switzerland case I mention is, there are no "land" connection from China to Taiwan.

Now, when you have 4 millions soldiers, it does not always mean you are slugging out a match number by number...
Soldier does not appear in battlefield by magic, you need a mean to carry them from china to Taiwan in order for them to fight IN Taiwan. And you have to remember, no one in this world can achieve a 50% lift ability, not even the US, last time I check US is capable to lift 25% of its asset where they need to be anywhere in the world. In case you don't know, you are talking about 500k US soldiers.

If china were indeed invade Taiwan, they will only have a small fraction of those 4 millions troop at their disposal, on the other hand, Taiwan is the defender, they aren't going anywhere, so you basically need to eliminate the whole Taiwanese military, 400,000 strong to take over Taiwan. Let alone they have national service, mean there are not only 400k defender, but literally all Taiwanese male aged 18-40 are capable for defending Taiwan, that will bump the number to at least 2 millions defender.

Then you are talking about island warfare, where it seriously favourite the defender, unless china can gain total air dominance and naval dominance to a peer or near peer partner, it's literally a no way, no how

You need to look at a war scenario outside the number....

 

[That Guy]

Let make this clear here & now

The situation you are talking about is a hypothetical situation of a total invasion of PRC against Taiwan, right?

Let Assume wikipedia is right, PLA have a strength of 4 millions soldier, active + reserve, and ROC only have .4 mil

Problem with this and the Switzerland case I mention is, there are no "land" connection from China to Taiwan.

Now, when you have 4 millions soldiers, it does not always mean you are slugging out a match number by number...
Soldier does not appear in battlefield by magic, you need a mean to carry them from china to Taiwan in order for them to fight IN Taiwan. And you have to remember, no one in this world can achieve a 50% lift ability, not even the US, last time I check US is capable to lift 25% of its asset where they need to be anywhere in the world. In case you don't know, you are talking about 500k US soldiers.

If china were indeed invade Taiwan, they will only have a small fraction of those 4 millions troop at their disposal, on the other hand, Taiwan is the defender, they aren't going anywhere, so you basically need to eliminate the whole Taiwanese military, 400,000 strong to take over Taiwan. Let alone they have national service, mean there are not only 400k defender, but literally all Taiwanese male aged 18-40 are capable for defending Taiwan, that will bump the number to at least 2 millions defender.

Then you are talking about island warfare, where it seriously favourite the defender, unless china can gain total air dominance and naval dominance to a peer or near peer partner, it's literally a no way, no how

You need to look at a war scenario outside the number....

Actually, I never brought up the numbers game at all, so I don't know why you're accusing me of this. All I did was mention that China does NOT have the capabilities presently and is building them up by developing stealth fighters and anti-ship missiles, SAMs, ASMs...etcs.