Taiwan president warns of ‘catastrophic consequences’ if island falls to China

[FairAndUnbiased]

I don't know about them,I'm talking about Mao and those who possibly used heavy Maoist elements to oppress China. Maybe Apollon meant overall?

They are the last 3 administrations since 1992. Each lasted 10 years with 2 terms. China has a dual leader structure, President + Premier. So current president (ranked #1 in the Politburo) is Xi Jinping, current premier (ranked #2 in the Politburo) is Li Keqiang. Their current 10 year administration ends next year. Li is going to be forced to step down by law. Xi may or may not step down, probably not. It'll be a 3rd term for him if he doesn't.

Mao has been dead for half a century at this point. Apollon said Xi Jinping was a tyrant. How is he a tyrant? Xi didn't come to office by overthrowing or killing. He isn't getting fat while the country starves. Where is the tyranny?

 

[Foinikas]

They are the last 3 administrations since 1992. Each lasted 10 years. China has a dual leader structure, President + Premier. So current president (ranked #1 in the Politburo) is Xi Jinping, current premier (ranked #2 in the Politburo) is Li Keqiang.

Mao has been dead for half a century at this point. Apollon said Xi Jinping was a tyrant. How is he a tyrant? Xi didn't come to office by overthrowing or killing. He isn't getting fat while the country starves. Where is the tyranny?

I don't know,I can't say. I was talking mostly about Mao's period and the ones after him I think up to the '80s. Well when Deng Xiaoping took over.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I don't know,I can't say. I was talking mostly about Mao's period and the ones after him I think up to the '80s. Well when Deng Xiaoping took over.

Mao died in 1976. Hua Guofeng (Mao's successor) was a moderate conservative and left office in 1979 due to Deng's opposition. Mao was not a normal leader. He came to power in extraordinary times of revolution and war. Deng was a contemporary of Mao, so even though he didn't come to power by revolution or war, he gained influence in that era. They were alive longer in the old regime than in the PRC.

Everyone afterwards went through the PRC system

Btw, this is a very simple question: if you can accept that a king won't be a tyrant why is it hard to believe politicians that spent their entire lives working in government and who understand they make decisions as a committee, aren't tyrants either?

 

[Foinikas]

Btw, this is a very simple question: if you can accept that a king won't be a tyrant why is it hard to believe politicians that spent their entire lives working in government and who understand they make decisions as a committee, aren't tyrants either?

Depends on the politician. Most politicians see this as a profession. As a buiseness. And most are arrogant and selfish and greedy idiots.
Not all.

 

[nang2]

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, Chinese system is their own creation that people like you may not be able to comprehend, but so far its results are there for anyone with an open eye to see. The world is not just about black and white.

There is no point of arguing what the pure form of capitalism or socialism should be, all forms of governance are nothing more than some artificial sets of rules, and they are not engraved in stone nor frozen in time.

True. But speaking like that would be exhausting. When we say "capitalism", we really mean more capitalistic than anything else. When we say "socialism", we really mean more socialistic than anything else. If you really want to see how to deal with arguments in non-pure form, read Kant, which I don't recommend for bedtime reading.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Depends on the politician. Most politicians see this as a profession. As a buiseness. And most are arrogant and selfish and greedy idiots.
Not all.

I dare not say that Chinese politicians are clean, but those who make it to national office are more clean than the rest. National office is highly scrutinized. To get there you have to work at lower levels for decades.

This system weeds out madmen who only want power quickly, which is the exact way to prevent tyranny. That is similar to how a prince or princess gains responsibility little by little until they are ready for the crown, except instead of just 1 individual, we have millions. Wouldn't you agree that a prince or princess that trains for decades and watches the monarch and prime ministers, is more ready for office than a random guy who gets absolute power within a few months?

Look at modern tyrants like Trump - he got power immediately and look what happened. Fast power often is tyranny.

 

[FuturePAF]

The greatest threat to Taiwan is a state side or mainland semiconductor manufacturer that can outcompete TSMC.

militarily, Taiwan is the cork holding China back inside the first island chain, and everyone knows it. China future main route to the sea will be the channel between Taiwan and the Philippines, but then what? What does China want to do if it takes Taiwan?

 

[Foinikas]

I dare not say that Chinese politicians are clean, but those who make it to national office are more clean than the rest. National office is highly scrutinized. To get there you have to work at lower levels for decades.

This system weeds out madmen who only want power quickly, which is the exact way to prevent tyranny. That is similar to how a prince or princess gains responsibility little by little until they are ready for the crown, except instead of just 1 individual, we have millions. Wouldn't you agree that a prince or princess that trains for decades and watches the monarch and prime ministers, is more ready for office than a random guy who gets absolute power within a few months?

Look at modern tyrants like Trump - he got power immediately and look what happened. Fast power often is tyranny.

Oh you don't like Trump?

 

[nang2]

I dare not say that Chinese politicians are clean, but those who make it to national office are more clean than the rest.

I don't think you can even make such a judgement when you don't have any experience working at the same rank, especially in an environment where whistleblowers are considered traitors.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Oh you don't like Trump?

He was a typical tyrant in the ancient Greek sense.

1. Made arbitrary decisions without thinking of consequences.

2. Used office to enrich himself

3. Appointed relatives to office instead of capable advisors.

4. Tried to use force to stay in office

5. Ignored public opinion without reason multiple times.

 

[nang2]

He was a typical tyrant in the ancient Greek sense.

1. Made arbitrary decisions without thinking of consequences.

2. Used office to enrich himself

3. Appointed relatives to office instead of capable advisors.

You read too much from mainstream media.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I don't think you can even make such a judgement when you don't have any experience working at the same rank, especially in an environment where whistleblowers are considered traitors.

Whistleblowers sell information to foreign powers?

 

[nang2]

Whistleblowers sell information to foreign powers?

You see. You are already negative towards whistleblowers and immediately claim they sell information to foreign powers. Of course, if they tell the information to foreign countries, you automatically assume they SELL information to them, don't you?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You read too much from mainstream media.

Trump didn't appoint his son in law to one of the highest offices despite his son in law having no experience?

He didn't enrich himself in office?

He didn't make arbitrary decisions?

What did I say that was factually false?

You see. You are already negative towards whistleblowers and immediately claim they sell information to foreign powers. Of course, if they tell the information to foreign countries, you automatically assume they SELL information to them, don't you?

They aren't whistleblowers if they sell information to foreign powers. And make no mistake, they received compensation for this otherwise they aren't working jobs and their accounts in China are frozen so where's their money coming from?

Just like an employee, no matter how high, would not be a whistleblower if they sold company information to a competitor.

 

[nang2]

Trump didn't appoint his son in law to one of the highest offices despite his son in law having no experience?

He didn't enrich himself in office?

He didn't make arbitrary decisions?

What did I say that was factually false?

Trump himself has little political experience. Yet, American people sent him to the presidency.

For the rest, the burden of proving they are true is on you.