Taiwan Missile Can Reach Beijing: Report

[S10]

oh a fart joke. your obviously not virgin.
Kid, lets say China looses, 100 Flankers or aircraft within the first year. Whats the rate of Flanker production?
Never fast enough.
Same goes for missiles, and everything else,
except bullets and guns, the easiest things to manufacture.
In modern war, you go in with the assets you have. This is why armies don't go to war with 50 soldiers, and say they have 100 more by the end of the year.

If you can't replace your losses, you lose the war. Logistics and production are becoming more important, not less. It's that simple. China can speed up and prioritize production for weapons, not for Taiwan. In the case of Taiwan, most of their weapons are foreign supplied. Let me guess, you plan to fart at enemy aircrafts when you run out of missiles? Also, if the last 30 years are any indication, the concept of relying on ground based missiles to ward off an enemy that controls the skies is folly.

Yea, but the locals weren't firing SAMs at these helos.

The locals also weren't being bombarded with hundreds of ballistic/cruise missiles, not to mention long range rockets. The local airport radars weren't being jammed 24/7 and communication equipments weren't being surgically taken out. Local leaders weren't being assasinated by special forces.

and we still live in the dark ages?
its a media war.
Remember 1989(tanks and shopper)? 2006(milk and babies)?2008(monks and sports)? media, justification.

I don't know why you cite irrelevant examples. 1989 was over government corruption. 2006 was over government failure to inspect food products. 2008 riots counters your point since majority of Chinese supported cracking down hard on the rioting monks/seperatist.

Saved it from bombing Taiwan. Try grabbing the land.

Grabbed Hainan from KMT no problem. Was about to be Taiwan's turn until Americans showed up.

obviously, your not thinking about this century.
If Vietnam taught the CCP anything is that it can't prolong a war with heavy bleeding.
The out bleed the enemy tactic, only has defensive purpose now.

If Vietnam showed anything, it was that China can sustain losses without any incident in its population. There were no riots/protests over military casualties. On the other hand, it's Taiwan that will bleed out. China has the advantage in weapons and numbers.

losts of things here.
Do you think those old M-60 tanks will be used against heavy armor or infantry and ICVs?
and how many heavy MBTs can China get to Taiwans beaches? answer, very few. what can they do? no much, because chances are the KMT will pulverize them with artillery.
You'll need more landing ships, to make a hole, and keep the hole open.
your also an idiot to think a tank on tank is how to fight a battle.
If there was greater threat from heavy MBTs then Taiwan would have purchased their own heavy MBT. They didn't. The PLA can barely support troops in Taiwan let alone tanks.

Any spearhead of armor formation are formed by tanks. Unless you somehow bypass the tank line, your M-60s are garbage. You'd be surprised how many tanks China can ship to Taiwan once it secures a port. You're the idiot for thinking Taiwan can get heavier MBTs. The Americans won't sell them to you, just like they kept delaying your F-16 purchase. You're like a beggar that can't get anything, and brag about how you don't need help. Your tank columns will be picked off by air support once you lose air superiority.

BTW, Saddam had a lot of weapons, but he had poor top brass, and officer core.
But worse yet, he lacked intel. He didn't even have a proper command structure. The Iran-Iraq war, if you ever studied it, will give you insight into how badly the war was handled.
But can you blame the guy? The US military is another thing.

I would argue that Taiwan has even poorer quality of conscripts. Oh you might go full retard and argue mainland also use "conscripts". In mainland's case, "conscripts" can choose not to serve. Your intelligence agency did not know about appearance of J-20 until the media revealed it, so much for your military's professionalism.

1989 was directed at the CCP. since the information age, its a lot more difficult to keep secrets from the public.
But here your entitled to your opinion.
But hey, if the coffins aren't your thing,
then maybe you should think about the economic consequences.
Because as i recall, the biggest challenge China faces right now, is jobs, which keep people content, if they're not content, they act up like Tibetans in 2008 who had no jobs.
So what do you think the CCP's priority is?
a) war over Taiwan
b) economic development, to bide time and eventually flex muscle with out firing shots

Let's see:
a) Let Taiwan stay an American pet and be denied access to future resources in the Pacific/South China Sea.
b) Take Taiwan, wins praises from the people and gain access to Pacific

No brainer is it?

The Americans don't have to do shite. They know it. Taiwan, can sink a lot of PLANs boats, and damage China's economy.
Then the CCP have to worry about the international community, who already have military embargos, and could have possibly go the way of economic embargos.

Taiwan can talk big about resisting China, but at the end of the day they know they'll fold within weeks without the Americans. The so called "embargoes" strengthened China's own military program and made it self-sufficient.

Right, economic embargoes against China, are you retarded or are you really retared?

 

[below_freezing]

If you can't replace your losses, you lose the war. Logistics and production are becoming more important, not less. It's that simple. China can speed up and prioritize production for weapons, not for Taiwan. In the case of Taiwan, most of their weapons are foreign supplied. Let me guess, you plan to fart at enemy aircrafts when you run out of missiles? Also, if the last 30 years are any indication, the concept of relying on ground based missiles to ward off an enemy that controls the skies is folly.


The locals also weren't being bombarded with hundreds of ballistic/cruise missiles, not to mention long range rockets. The local airport radars weren't being jammed 24/7 and communication equipments weren't being surgically taken out. Local leaders weren't being assasinated by special forces.


I don't know why you cite irrelevant examples. 1989 was over government corruption. 2006 was over government failure to inspect food products. 2008 riots counters your point since majority of Chinese supported cracking down hard on the rioting monks/seperatist.


Grabbed Hainan from KMT no problem. Was about to be Taiwan's turn until Americans showed up.


If Vietnam showed anything, it was that China can sustain losses without any incident in its population. There were no riots/protests over military casualties. On the other hand, it's Taiwan that will bleed out. China has the advantage in weapons and numbers.


Any spearhead of armor formation are formed by tanks. Unless you somehow bypass the tank line, your M-60s are garbage. You'd be surprised how many tanks China can ship to Taiwan once it secures a port. You're the idiot for thinking Taiwan can get heavier MBTs. The Americans won't sell them to you, just like they kept delaying your F-16 purchase. You're like a beggar that can't get anything, and brag about how you don't need help. Your tank columns will be picked off by air support once you lose air superiority.


I would argue that Taiwan has even poorer quality of conscripts. Oh you might go full retard and argue mainland also use "conscripts". In mainland's case, "conscripts" can choose not to serve. Your intelligence agency did not know about appearance of J-20 until the media revealed it, so much for your military's professionalism.


Let's see:
a) Let Taiwan stay an American pet and be denied access to future resources in the Pacific/South China Sea.
b) Take Taiwan, wins praises from the people and gain access to Pacific

No brainer is it?


Taiwan can talk big about resisting China, but at the end of the day they know they'll fold within weeks without the Americans. The so called "embargoes" strengthened China's own military program and made it self-sufficient.

Right, economic embargoes against China, are you retarded or are you really retared?

No Taiwanese is that stupid. It must be an wheelie/ radical overseas indian/american. Only one of those 3 can ignore reality for blind hatred of China.

Common sense dictates that an island that imports 95% of its petroleum, has 5% of the population physically on the mainland (with probably 15% having direct connections to the mainland, assuming 3 people families) and cannot produce its own weapons is not going to go independent.

 

[GSK]

Be cautious of Taiwan. They are not angels. They want independence because they are now weak. But they will definitly declare the whole China belongs to them and may attack us to unite the whole China under their flag with the support of world powers if one day they are strong while for some reasons Mainland China is weak, remember what they have done before 1980s?

But anyway they are Chinese. I believe no mainland Chinese people want to go to war with those Chinese people in Taiwan, except some idiots. It will be like people in Sichuan kill people in Yunnan or vice versa. But that doesn't mean we should be unresonably very very nice to them and truse them 100%. Business is business. If they want to take advantage of our good will and trust towards them and do something harmful to us, they will be punished.

 

[Akasa]

Even though the PLA seems to dominate Taiwan, few people realize that if Taiwan puts up a lot of resistance, they will cause serious damage.

 

[Assange]

Even though the PLA seems to dominate Taiwan, few people realize that if Taiwan puts up a lot of resistance, they will cause serious damage.

Everybody knows that PLA dominates Taiwan, China or Taiwan launches attack everybody knows that Taiwan will loose.

But have anybody thought about this, if you are in a loosing side will you aim you missiles against army bases or potentially bigger target? Definitely it would be bigger target. In China everything is big, just think what if a loosing Taiwan launches missile against china's three gorges dam? Just think, the scale of destruction in china is big. even if china uses nuke against Taiwan it won't be that big of destruction.

 

[Brotherhood]

Everybody knows that PLA dominates Taiwan, China or Taiwan launches attack everybody knows that Taiwan will loose.

But have anybody thought about this, if you are in a loosing side will you aim you missiles against army bases or potentially bigger target? Definitely it would be bigger target. In China everything is big, just think what if a loosing Taiwan launches missile against china's three gorges dam? Just think, the scale of destruction in china is big. even if china uses nuke against Taiwan it won't be that big of destruction.[/QUOTE]

Dream on DN, do not confuse Chinese with people like your race, only some handicap midgets from a living hell-h...will ever thought of behaving like a terrorist, hitting a civilian target like three gorges dam as a military goal. for pete's sake, have some basic self-respect, atleast think and behave like a normal human being, disgusting low life scumbag at full display period.

 

[below_freezing]

Everybody knows that PLA dominates Taiwan, China or Taiwan launches attack everybody knows that Taiwan will loose.

But have anybody thought about this, if you are in a loosing side will you aim you missiles against army bases or potentially bigger target? Definitely it would be bigger target. In China everything is big, just think what if a loosing Taiwan launches missile against china's three gorges dam? Just think, the scale of destruction in china is big. even if china uses nuke against Taiwan it won't be that big of destruction.

3 gorges is designed to withstand a tactical nuke.

flying to 3 gorges is not assured.

and we've declared an attack on 3 gorges to be the equivalent of a nuclear strike on china.

 

[Assange]

Everybody knows that PLA dominates Taiwan, China or Taiwan launches attack everybody knows that Taiwan will loose.

But have anybody thought about this, if you are in a loosing side will you aim you missiles against army bases or potentially bigger target? Definitely it would be bigger target. In China everything is big, just think what if a loosing Taiwan launches missile against china's three gorges dam? Just think, the scale of destruction in china is big. even if china uses nuke against Taiwan it won't be that big of destruction.[/QUOTE]

Dream on DN, do not confuse Chinese with people like your race, only some handicap midgets from a living hell-h...will ever thought of behaving like a terrorist, hitting a civilian target like three gorges dam as a military goal. for pete's sake, have some basic self-respect, atleast think and behave like a normal human being, disgusting low life scumbag at full display period.

What do you know about my race? So you come a better race than others? There is no different between you and the Nazis. who wants to argue with a scumbag like you. The comment that you just left shows what you are made up off what race are you in. You are a piece of sH*t

What i said was just a scenario.

 

[Assange]

3 gorges is designed to withstand a tactical nuke.

flying to 3 gorges is not assured.

and we've declared an attack on 3 gorges to be the equivalent of a nuclear strike on china.

I know brother i read that too 3 gorgeous dams can withstand a nuclear attack but what i just said was a scenario. Hope you understood

 

[Akasa]

Everybody knows that PLA dominates Taiwan, China or Taiwan launches attack everybody knows that Taiwan will loose.

But have anybody thought about this, if you are in a loosing side will you aim you missiles against army bases or potentially bigger target? Definitely it would be bigger target. In China everything is big, just think what if a loosing Taiwan launches missile against china's three gorges dam? Just think, the scale of destruction in china is big. even if china uses nuke against Taiwan it won't be that big of destruction.

If the missiles are like what they are described, they can be intercepted by surface to air missiles or air to air missiles.

Last time I remember it's South Korea that threatened to bomb the Three Gorges Dam.

 

[wmdisinfo]

no one can even think of attacking china taiwan is a part of china and US is applying divide and rule.taiwan missiles are like fire crackers PLA might when they see the taiwans soliders will have all be dead by heart attack let alone firing a missile

 

[CardSharp]

A Taiwan strait conflict in the end will ultimately be a PRC versus USA affair. The Taiwanese armed forces will be a relevant factor only in so much as how long they can hold off the PLAAF/how much can they disrupt the PLA's operations, thus creating a favourable tactical entry for the US. The war will be won or lost around Taiwan's airspace.

If there is a need for a "war" or even violence between China and Taiwan. China has already lost. The way China can win this conflict is by peaceful unification. Anything else counts as a loss for China. So this is more of a political issue than a military one.

By and large I agree, the solution needs to be political and equitable, but everyone is hedging their bets by preparing for all contingencies.

 

[applesauce]

Be cautious of Taiwan. They are not angels. They want independence because they are now weak. But they will definitly declare the whole China belongs to them and may attack us to unite the whole China under their flag with the support of world powers if one day they are strong while for some reasons Mainland China is weak, remember what they have done before 1980s?

But anyway they are Chinese. I believe no mainland Chinese people want to go to war with those Chinese people in Taiwan, except some idiots. It will be like people in Sichuan kill people in Yunnan or vice versa. But that doesn't mean we should be unresonably very very nice to them and truse them 100%. Business is business. If they want to take advantage of our good will and trust towards them and do something harmful to us, they will be punished.

if i came down to it i would much rather KMT rule all of china instead of some foreign "peacekeeping" force

 

[CardSharp]

The RAND corporation's 2011 report on the PLAAF and a Taiwan strait air campaign.

A Question of Balance: Political Context and Military Aspects of the China-Taiwan Dispute | RAND

Cliff's note, Taiwan and the US air forces loses because of debilitating missile strikes, overwhelming numbers and simple geographical disadvantages.

 

[CardSharp]

rather KMT rule all of china instead of some foreign "peacekeeping" force

A KMT led reunification would necessarily come with a "foreign peacekeeping force", but this is farfetched and I'm more annoyed/worried about the pan-green hooligans.