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Taiwan's president Tsai Ing-wen launched the island's first ever home-grown submarine project Tuesday in the face of what the government says are growing military threats from China.

The move comes after China sent its only aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, through the Taiwan Strait in January, in one of a number of military drills held as relations deteriorate.

Taiwan last week warned of an increased invasion risk from China and has pledged to boost its military in response.

Tsai called the launch of the submarine plan a "historic moment" at a naval base in southern city of Kaohsiung.

She was presiding over a formal signing ceremony to initiate the project between the navy, Taiwanese shipbuilder CSBS Corporation and the National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology, which develops combat system integration.

Delivery of the submarine is expected to take eight years and is part of the island's "indigenous defence policy", said Tsai.

"I want to tell you all that the Taiwanese always face challenges bravely and overcome them," she said.

Taiwan's navy currently operates a fleet of four submarines, bought from abroad, but only two of them can be deployed in the event of war.

The other two were built by the United States in the 1940s and are only used in training as they are too old for combat.

As part of her visit on Tuesday, Tsai boarded Taiwan's Zwaardis-class submarine the Hai Hu, which was purchased from the Netherlands.

Tsai watched the simulated firing of a torpedo while on board.

Beijing still sees Taiwan as part of its territory to be brought back into its fold, by force if necessary, even though the island has been self-governing since the two sides split after a civil war in 1949.

Ties have worsened since Beijing-sceptic Tsai took power last year, ending an eight-year rapprochement.

Tensions heightened further after a protocol-busting call between Tsai and Donald Trump, following his US election victory.

The US is Taiwan's most powerful ally and main arms supplier, despite having no official relations with Taipei after switching recognition to Beijing in 1979.

But Taiwan has turned to the domestic submarine project after years spent waiting for US models.

A long-stalled offer approved by then US president George W Bush in 2001 to supply eight conventional submarines has never come to fruition.

Defence minister Feng Shih-kuan has said the Liaoning's sail near Taiwan highlighted the need for the island to press ahead with building its own subs.

Taiwan also announced last month its bid to create a new generation of locally built jet trainers by 2026.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/T...ne-project-to-take-on-the-Chinese-Navy-251106
 
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Commission in 2049? :rofl: Given that only US contractor are allowed to participate and US has almost no experience in building electric sub. Good luck to this project.
 
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There is no real point, if China wants war there is nothing they can do. China's conventional rocket artillery alone has a range of 400+ km (whereas it's only 180 km from the Mainland to Taiwan), and the artillery shells are extremely cheap to mass produce. China has the largest manufacturing base on the planet, we could essentially blanket every single inch of the island with cheap mass produced rocket artillery without even putting a dent in the budget.

Their only hope is to sign a mutual defense treaty with the USA (including a nuclear shield), but the USA refuses to do so. And even if they did that, the USA doesn't uphold their mutual defense treaties, as we saw when China was seizing territory from the Philippines in 2012.

Lose-lose scenario for them either way. Best they can do is continue to uphold the status quo.

Anyway, as long as China still believes that a peaceful reunification is possible, there won't need to be a war. Check the PRC's anti-secession law.
 
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Okay USA is really playing with fire here the NK issue is a serious thing and if China decides to misuse the situation USA will be in deep trouble.
 
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There is no real point, if China wants war there is nothing they can do. China's conventional rocket artillery alone has a range of 400+ km (whereas it's only 180 km from the Mainland to Taiwan), and the artillery shells are extremely cheap to mass produce. China has the largest manufacturing base on the planet, we could essentially blanket every single inch of the island with cheap mass produced rocket artillery without even putting a dent in the budget.

Their only hope is to sign a mutual defense treaty with the USA (including a nuclear shield), but the USA refuses to do so. And even if they did that, the USA doesn't uphold their mutual defense treaties, as we saw when China was seizing territory from the Philippines in 2012.

Lose-lose scenario for them either way. Best they can do is continue to uphold the status quo.

Anyway, as long as China still believes that a peaceful reunification is possible, there won't need to be a war. Check the PRC's anti-secession law.

Its all true....but China gains with status quo and peaceful reunification....and loses with any war (as one-sided as it will be). Just let time and economic muscle do the heavy lifting for you ;)....I think China has largely understood this....and it even has perfect opportunity to demonstrate to Taiwan using HK as example after the 50 year current system ends there. In interview with Joshua Wong, sackur of the BBC used a very poignant fact that struck with me.....at time of handover HK was like 15% of mainland GDP.....and now its like 3%. So will be the case with Taiwan as time goes by. Its why Taiwan always stops short of declaring full independence (past the military scenario)....economically they gain so much from status quo too. My Taiwanese business partner is in China much more frequently than Taiwan itself lol....even though he has reservations towards the mainland govt.

So what Taiwan govt (be it DPP or KMT) do for internal domestic consumption of "defence" against China (which DPP especially bases its platform on) will just be ignored overall I think.
 
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without US support no submarine or extra fighter can save Taiwan if China really wants to take it by for e. The difference between two is huge . Taiwan should develop nuclear weapons to safe her from China.
 
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without US support no submarine or extra fighter can save Taiwan if China really wants to take it by for e. The difference between two is huge . Taiwan should develop nuclear weapons to safe her from China.

Taiwan attempting to develop nuclear weapons is a pre-condition for immediate war under China's 2005 anti-secession law, since it would mean that all hope of peaceful reunification has been lost.

So basically they have to develop full deterrence capability in secret (possible but highly unlikely) or get a nuclear shield from another country. And even then, it probably wouldn't stop China anyway. It's too important for China.
 
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So basically they have to develop full deterrence capability in secret (possible but highly unlikely) or get a nuclear shield from another country.

First one is almost impossible given Chinese intelligence will pick up on it early on quite easily. Its not so much the bomb design (which they would be capable of in short order - even Iraq made a few quite quickly in the late 80s) but production of the nuclear enriched material (and the flow/processing of this would have to circumvent their nuclear energy program).

Any diversion of material flowing to or from their nuclear power plants will trip the IAEA safeguards (say constant Pu-239 extraction from input of new fuel rods). Its why they dump their nuclear waste in an uninhabited island I believe...thats the only possibility with the current safeguards and economics/politics of inability to get it reprocessed/stored on the mainland.
 
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Actually, it's good for Taiwan to modernize their armed forces. Do you think ROC even increase their armed sizes by 2-3times still can matches PRC?

But Taiwan still has territories issue with Japan,Vietnam and Philippines. PRC needs a stronger Taiwan armed forces to counter these 2rd rated armed force to preserve full Chinese territories.
 
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There is no real point, if China wants war there is nothing they can do. China's conventional rocket artillery alone has a range of 400+ km (whereas it's only 180 km from the Mainland to Taiwan), and the artillery shells are extremely cheap to mass produce. China has the largest manufacturing base on the planet, we could essentially blanket every single inch of the island with cheap mass produced rocket artillery without even putting a dent in the budget.

Their only hope is to sign a mutual defense treaty with the USA (including a nuclear shield), but the USA refuses to do so. And even if they did that, the USA doesn't uphold their mutual defense treaties, as we saw when China was seizing territory from the Philippines in 2012.

Lose-lose scenario for them either way. Best they can do is continue to uphold the status quo.

Anyway, as long as China still believes that a peaceful reunification is possible, there won't need to be a war. Check the PRC's anti-secession law.
WELL SAID!

The Anti-Secession Law (反分裂国家法 | 反分裂國家法) is a law of the People's Republic of China, passed by the Third Conference of the 10th National People's Congress. It was ratified on March 14, 2005, and went into effect immediately. President Hu Jintao promulgated the law with Presidential Decree No. 34.

Although the law, at ten articles, is relatively short, it formalized the long-standing policy of the PRC to use "non-peaceful means" against the "Taiwan independence movement" in the event of a declaration of independence.
 
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without US support no submarine or extra fighter can save Taiwan if China really wants to take it by for e. The difference between two is huge . Taiwan should develop nuclear weapons to safe her from China.

Thanks for informing us on your view. At least we know you wish the people in Taiwan to die :lol:
 
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Wow that was actually a very interesting read. Thanks.
Guess who killed South Korean's nuclear program? :lol:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_nuclear_research_programs

So you see anyone claiming the US helping (or willing to help) another nation developing nukes are :crazy: and the delusional Viet actually believes the US will help a Communist government when the programs were effectively terminated in SK and TW under US pressure.

As long TW has a ruling party willing to work with Mainland, Taiwan's economy will benefit. Under the current leader it's going down the drain. Her popularity has plummeted and the only thing left for her is to use scare tactics to increase the number of supporters (won't work anyway as plenty of businesses depending on tourists from Mainland are complaining about Tsai). TW doesn't dare take the independence step and Mainland is playing the waiting game, even a blind person can tell who is winning.
 
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