T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[cabatli_53]

No Sir USA is crucial here we haven't any problem with these countries in times of war but USA they did stabbed on our back many times in wars. Engine are most crucial part in any of the machine we won't take that risk.

I fall into love to that situation when some members start talking as If a defence minister, especially in conditions While related country keeps ordering Western products from various countries. Thanks bro. Message received !

 

[Path-Finder]

read my latest post you to @Zarvan

#605?

Those embargo like statements are just being talked among members in forums. What I see from outside is that Pakistan procurement officials keep ordering Western products from Italy, USA, France and others, even looking for AH-1Z in same tender. You can see many examples in your inventory. Nothing special for Turkish platform using USA engine. There is not any obstacle for Russia to cut supplies for their Mi series helicopters Pakistan plans to order...

Valid point! we did order ah-1z and more f16's are apparently coming. You guys dont give kickbacks to our greedy politicians maybe

 

[princefaisal]

i was just thing of that as the Us engines produce 1361hp while the wz-16 engines produce 1300hp I'm sure an upgrade will get it up to power but i think the American engines will be more efficient . so the mrt390 is the best option for you guys, as it more powerful than the two at 1465hp and it fits on the european tiger which is extremely similar to the t129


read my latest post you to @Zarvan

Check the globalsecurity site which shows that WZ-16 engine has the power of more than 1800 hp while indian defencereview site shows its power as 2000 hp.

 

[Blue Marlin]

#605?



Valid point! we did order ah-1z and more f16's are apparently coming. You guys dont give kickbacks to our greedy politicians maybe

T-84 oplot M the new war horse of Pakistan ? | Page 41

 

[Zarvan]

I fall into love to that situation when some members start talking as If a defence minister, especially in conditions While related country keeps ordering Western products from various countries. Thanks bro. Message received !

Sir understand the difference between USA and west I said we have problem with USA engine because USA previously in wars stopped supplying us weapons. Sir on the other hand many western countries have sold us weapons without creating any fuss or putting strict conditions.

 

[Blue Marlin]

T-84 oplot M the new war horse of Pakistan ? | Page 41

congress makes all of the decisions, they want Pakistan to fight isis. if Pakistan listened (which they didnt and i hope to not listen ) then things would be different. but challenges are good . the mrt390 is your best option a bit of english , french and german, is good

Sir understand the difference between USA and west I said we have problem with USA engine because USA previously in wars stopped supplying us weapons. Sir on the other hand many western countries have sold us weapons without creating any fuss or putting strict conditions.

you have a valid point point there.

 

[cabatli_53]

Sir understand the difference between USA and west I said we have problem with USA engine because USA previously in wars stopped supplying us weapons. Sir on the other hand many western countries have sold us weapons without creating any fuss or putting strict conditions.

If you have a serious concern regarding a likely arm embargo for any weapon, You should declare min %80-90 self sufficiency to supply your tools based on your own industrial infrastructure. Otherwise, Noone can guarantee that Russia or France or Italy or Germany, even China wouldn't put some strict conditions. Today's Germany issue serious restrictions to Turkey. Frence sell turbojet motors to Turkey based on numerical restrictions. USA block many weapon sales to Turkey even in today. What I mean, A likely embargo or restrictions just depends on political wishes and approaches of countries among eacothers. Take a look a country like Russia can't take delivery of their paid LHD from France so Seperating countries into categories to classify one as "Not to anything", While keep ordering strategic assets like AEW&C, fighter, missiles, UAV's from very similar source having deep and tied political and economicaş connections/relations with USA doesn't make any sense.

 

[Zarvan]

If you have a serious concern regarding a likely arm embargo for any weapon, You should declare min %80-90 self sufficiency to supply your tools based on your own industrial infrastructure. Otherwise, Noone can guarantee that Russia or France or Italy or Germany, even China wouldn't put some strict conditions. Today's Germany issue serious restrictions to Turkey. Frence sell turbojet motors to Turkey based on numerical restrictions. USA block many weapon sales to Turkey even in today. What I mean, A likely embargo or restrictions just depends on political wishes and approaches of countries among eacothers. Take a look a country like Russia can't take delivery of their paid LHD from France so Seperating countries into categories to classify one as "Not to anything", While keep ordering strategic assets like AEW&C, fighter, missiles, UAV's from very similar source having deep and tied political and economicaş connections/relations with USA doesn't make any sense.

Sir that are other issues we have which are their because of corruption and other serious problems. Yes I know times have changed and we are trying to develop our own industry and looking to corporate more with Turkey and Indonesia and other Muslim countries. You guys are doing good we need to catch up really fast. But one major we face is lack of funds, in fact its the biggest issue.

 

[Basel]

#605?



Valid point! we did order ah-1z and more f16's are apparently coming. You guys dont give kickbacks to our greedy politicians maybe

AH1-Z & F-16s are stop gap measures they will not be Pakistan front line weapons systems in future.

 

[Super Falcon]

AH1-Z & F-16s are stop gap measures they will not be Pakistan front line weapons systems in future.

F 16 cannot be stop gap as of today as we speak it is front line so we r using these f 16 since 2 decades as stop gap sorry friend i agree with u with curreng situation F 16 can never be frontline it is secondry with time passes even latest F 16 is sitting duck F 16 era is over even US aurforce dont use them as secondry fighter jet they use it for mostly taining and border control

 

[Andrei_bt]

Oplot - T photos -

 

[Zarvan]

@kaonalpha Does AK 2 looks a lot like German Leopard Tank ? @Icarus @balixd

 

[Super Falcon]

Zaarvan there are no official pics ok AK 2 how ws compare it with leopard tank

Pakistan army should not invest more on tank

Alkhalid 1
Al khalid 2
Al zarrar
T 80ud
Are enough for me we should opt for better mrls than A 100 bmp type tank busters ATGM and helicopters

 

[WaLeEdK2]

T-84 Oplot M will replace our older Tanks like T-69 and T-85 and AK 2 will be our MBT specially for Desert Area.

I thought you said there was no such thing as AK2?

 

[Mani2020]

AH1-Z & F-16s are stop gap measures they will not be Pakistan front line weapons systems in future.

Any fighter that has served you for this number of years can't be a stop gap measure , this is even evident from the fact that paf opted for f-16s even after the embargo was lifted in early 2000s and paf had options from France Sweden and Britain to pick from .. There are other considerations as well like we can't afford Rafael and EFT besides they are also quite prone to embargoes with the French option has some leverage based upon retrospects but still . besides as paf is always looking to up the numbers of f-16s may it be by buying used ones or exercising the option of new one ...the fact is paf is going to do similar to what they did with mirages back in times...all of that because paf considers f-16 their front line fighter against Indian modern jets since jf-17 hasn't evolved that much and we still know avionics wise jft is not at par with block 52 ..so until any other 4.5 or 5th generation fighter gets inducted in significant numbers f-16 will remain your front line fighter ...the only thing that can save us this time is paf sourcing enough surplus/buffer spares that keeps f-16s flying even during hard times