T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[C130]

Zaarvan there are no official pics ok AK 2 how ws compare it with leopard tank

Pakistan army should not invest more on tank

Alkhalid 1
Al khalid 2
Al zarrar
T 80ud
Are enough for me we should opt for better mrls than A 100 bmp type tank busters ATGM and helicopters

like this?

 

[Zarvan]

I thought you said there was no such thing as AK2?

I mean new AK project what ever it is called some sources call it AK 1 and some called AK 2. It's pretty much a new Tank completely new.

Zaarvan there are no official pics ok AK 2 how ws compare it with leopard tank

Pakistan army should not invest more on tank

Alkhalid 1
Al khalid 2
Al zarrar
T 80ud
Are enough for me we should opt for better mrls than A 100 bmp type tank busters ATGM and helicopters

Sr it is their and pics are also their and my source has asked for permission from Army the moment he gets I would post them here

like this?

Would love to see this beast with our Army

 

[Zarvan]

Type 90 MS

Type 99 A2
@kaonalpha Are these those two Tanks which you claimed that would come in December for testing ? Or no more Tanks will be tested, T-84 Oplot M has been finalized as new war horse of Pakistan ? @Icarus @balixd

 

[cabatli_53]

Zaarvan there are no official pics ok AK 2 how ws compare it with leopard tank

Pakistan army should not invest more on tank

Alkhalid 1
Al khalid 2
Al zarrar
T 80ud
Are enough for me we should opt for better mrls than A 100 bmp type tank busters ATGM and helicopters

Fire control upgrade + aditional new generation armours + Active protection system integration make those tanks a monster. With this way, It would be no need to invest a new tank project. I also agree with you in that point. Pakistan should seriously consider an upgrade solution.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I am getting mixed signals from army bigwigs. There is even rumour that out of the two tested , Oplot M is preferred but it is by no means the Finalist. It is quite possible that in the final step we may opt for further upgrades of our present stock.

@kaonalpha @Zarvan @Super Falcon

 

[Zarvan]

I am getting mixed signals from army bigwigs. There is even rumour that out of the two tested , Oplot M is preferred but it is by no means the Finalist. It is quite possible that in the final step we may opt for further upgrades of our present stock.

@kaonalpha @Zarvan @Super Falcon

Sir what I have heard till now is AK 2 is pretty much ready and will soon enter production. The tests are for other Tank which we want because as India is already looking for T-72 replacement we are already looking for a answer but this T-99A2 more advanced Tank. Still it would be great to see AK 2 along with either Oplot M or T-99 A2 and AK 1 and Type 80 in our Armored Division. @Sulman Badshah

 

[C130]

Type 90 MS

Type 99 A2
@kaonalpha Are these those two Tanks which you claimed that would come in December for testing ? Or no more Tanks will be tested, T-84 Oplot M has been finalized as new war horse of Pakistan ? @Icarus @balixd

would NLAW kill both of these tanks??

 

[Zarvan]

would NLAW kill both of these tanks??

Well if hit on the right spot it would cause massive damage. But still Tanks are of great value in battlefield. Pakistan also needs to similar Anti Tank Missile to as for now best option is HJ-12 from China. Second option can be from Turkey.

 

[Zarvan]

@kaonalpha and @Icarus and @balixd Some one has told me that Pakistan Army team is in negotiations with Ukraine for complete TOT of 1500 HP engine and produce them in Pakistan ? Is it true ? @Horus

 

[Basel]

Any fighter that has served you for this number of years can't be a stop gap measure , this is even evident from the fact that paf opted for f-16s even after the embargo was lifted in early 2000s and paf had options from France Sweden and Britain to pick from .. There are other considerations as well like we can't afford Rafael and EFT besides they are also quite prone to embargoes with the French option has some leverage based upon retrospects but still . besides as paf is always looking to up the numbers of f-16s may it be by buying used ones or exercising the option of new one ...the fact is paf is going to do similar to what they did with mirages back in times...all of that because paf considers f-16 their front line fighter against Indian modern jets since jf-17 hasn't evolved that much and we still know avionics wise jft is not at par with block 52 ..so until any other 4.5 or 5th generation fighter gets inducted in significant numbers f-16 will remain your front line fighter ...the only thing that can save us this time is paf sourcing enough surplus/buffer spares that keeps f-16s flying even during hard times

F-16s are stop gap jets to complement front line jet of future, they were inducted because they could be rapidly inducted and reduce the tech gap between PAF & IAF. If it would not be the case then PAF would have gone for JAS-39s because they fits the PAF defensive doctrine well.

PAF is waiting for Chinese to master new tech specially 5th gen one, because it is the most safest way to fill future requirements. US & Europe will not provide top of the line products without strings attached and they will not offer open architecture systems on board.

Sorry for being Off Topic.

Which two other tanks are expected to be tested by PA? can any one post pics with detail analysis of all tanks in trials or coming for trials??

 

[Super Falcon]

I am getting mixed signals from army bigwigs. There is even rumour that out of the two tested , Oplot M is preferred but it is by no means the Finalist. It is quite possible that in the final step we may opt for further upgrades of our present stock.

@kaonalpha @Zarvan @Super Falcon

Yes we dont need tanks right now we are if not better we have good tank we need to save money and wait for next 3 to 4 years let mbt 300 develop more in that time army should invest buying dedicated air wing

 

[Pakistanisage]

@kaonalpha and @Icarus and @balixd Some one has told me that Pakistan Army team is in negotiations with Ukraine for complete TOT of 1500 HP engine and produce them in Pakistan ? Is it true ? @Horus

If True, that is great news. However, the Ulrainian 1500 HP tank engine 6TD-3 is still being developed and it may be a while before it is fully developed. Since our future tanks will weigh a little above 50 tons, such an engine will give us 30 HP per TON.

Such expertise will also help us replacing AK 1200 HP engine with the new engine as well as upgrade T-80UD with a more powerful engine.

 

[Zarvan]

If True, that is great news. However, the Ulrainian 1500 HP tank engine 6TD-3 is still being developed and it may be a while before it is fully developed. Since our future tanks will weigh a little above 50 tons, such an engine will give us 30 HP per TON.

My source suggests that AK 2 is around 54 to 56 tonnes Tank and is quite similar in shape with German Leopard. Turkey was the main help in developing that Tank and specially inside systems. As for engine I think it is fully developed by now. Some one also told me that Pakistan is in talks with Ukraine to get complete tech of this engine and produce it in Pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

Have to love all that talk of sources and suni sunai. @Icarus

 

[Pakistanisage]

My source suggests that AK 2 is around 54 to 56 tonnes Tank and is quite similar in shape with German Leopard. Turkey was the main help in developing that Tank and specially inside systems. As for engine I think it is fully developed by now. Some one also told me that Pakistan is in talks with Ukraine to get complete tech of this engine and produce it in Pakistan.

54 to 56 Ton Tank may cause some problems with our Terrain especially down South. Would be interesting to see the testing in the Cholistan and Thar desert to see if a heavy tank like that will effect its performance.