T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[Mughal-Prince]

That means that not only does one pay the billions for the heavy tank, they also pay the additional millions to upgrade that infrastructure(not a simple task) . Han, if say Prince waleed bin Talal was an idiot and donated all his money to Pakistan then it would have been possible to go with a tank like the British Challenger even.

But Oscar bhai again terrain is meddling in the middle!!! we can change infrastructure but terrain will remain the same.

 

[Kowak]

What ?

But football is so !

Most of my friends say the same but I prefer girls and weapons

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its better to wait for official announcements before accepting any news.

What we're the other contenders ?

Apart from 3000.

 

[Armstrong]

AK Program stays..

Diversity..


We have thousands of tanks to replace.. Type-59s,85IIAPs,eyc etc.

Oplot isn't only a good tank but offers us commonality with our existing T-80UDs (which have the same turret and other systems).

Oplot doesn't seem to make any sense !

I was under the impression that our T-80 UDs already incorporated some of the features of the T-84 - What extra does the Oplot bring to the table that merits going for another Tank ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Oplot doesn't seem to make any sense !

I was under the impression that our T-80 UDs already incorporated some of the features of the T-84 - What extra does the Oplot bring to the table that merits going for another Tank ?

Arms corps definetly prefers AKs over UDs... So my best guess would be they want a tank to replace the older Type series .. What Oplot offers here is commonality with our UDs..

We saw that when HIT bought the Dragoon for production (under license) coz it also uses common parts used in M series APCs which you know we are producing (different variants based on M-113s)..

But than again @Oscar. OP can shed more light on that.

 

[SQ8]

But Oscar bhai again terrain is meddling in the middle!!! we can change infrastructure but terrain will remain the same.

That is true. For e.g. the Arjun is entirely handicapped in the Punjab plains and has little to offer in that soft ground. By contrast, the AK, the T-84 and AZ all can easily traverse almost any terrain that is in the area.
The T-90MS and in its numbers is the true tank to worry about on the other side, the Arjun is simply not a factor and even the IA knows it. I would not be surprised if there is a tender for a heavier tank some 3-5 years later(or earlier) by India as a tit-for-tat; they suffer from the issue of buying stuff regardless of whether they need it or not.
Which is fine because they can afford it, but that still does not mean they dont look like pompous douche's doing it when clearly they outgun us on every front.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It a T-?? Happy though we can get them but lets see they should be arriving in december.

Alaka just say it out loud -- You mean Armata!


P.S: did we select Oplot before even the Ts even arrived!

 

[SQ8]

Oplot doesn't seem to make any sense !

I was under the impression that our T-80 UDs already incorporated some of the features of the T-84 - What extra does the Oplot bring to the table that merits going for another Tank ?

Why would anyone prefer saving on logistics and training costs? I'm sure such ideas escape fake Kashmiri Bhattas and their need to wear new Raybans(chinese) and show of their Hardley Davidsons(175cc) every year.

 

[waz]

Too heavy.

Lighter than the Abrams and Leopard, both which have been operating in Afghanistan and Iraq with ease.
Weight is not an issue bro.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I will be very surprised if this will materialize.
Politics and all....not only do Chinese "expect" you to buy theirs, the Russians might have a word or two, commenting on Pakistan buying from Ukraine. SCO membership means some concessions will have to be made. Probably.

Tank looks good though, like the rugged look of it.

I doubt that very much.. China doesn't hold any preference or authority .. We buy from them due to several factors .. Soft loans,TOT etc.

Russia not really we are getting Mi-35s from them and they have already offered us SAMs and according to recent news Su-35s...


Ukraine has been an old partner -- Il-78s,Help with AK program,Kombat ATGMs,UDs etc etc.

 

[kaonalpha]

Alaka just say it out loud -- You mean Armata!


P.S: did we select Oplot before even the Ts even arrived!

The oplot arrived when I visited karachi last month. I did not mention It due to certain circumstances.

 

[waz]

For that we would have to wait for years and we have Alot of tanks to replace... We can't possible chun out more than 50 AKs per year... Nor wait for 4-5 years for Altays serial production and than wait for its delivery (which would begin after the Turks equip their forces)... But the good news is that certain systems which we imported from France will be bought from Turkey for AKs..

Replace the tanks with MBT 3000 and Al-Khalids. At the sametime stick the order in for the Altay. The Turks are not far off serial production.

 

[SQ8]

The oplot arrived when I visited karachi last month. I did not mention It due to certain circumstances.

It was going to come earlier(along with other requirements) if not for the Ukrainian crisis.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The oplot arrived when I visited karachi last month. I did not mention It due to certain circumstances.

So what happens to Armata or MS if we buy Oplots ? Where does that fit !

 

[Armstrong]

Why would anyone prefer saving on logistics and training costs? I'm sure such ideas escape fake Kashmiri Bhattas and their need to wear new Raybans(chinese) and show of their Hardley Davidsons(175cc) every year.

If saving on training and logistic costs were the main reason; why not build more AK-1s or expedite the design and production of further AK models !