T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[CHI RULES]

Turkey without any doubt will provide us TOT. The question is only if Altay suits our terrain.

Sorry but facts show that any country whether Muslim or not don't provide TOT without any economic/defense related benefits. Brotherly social ties at level of general public are totally different from considering international relations which are without moralities.
Though it is possible that just like French Turkey may supply some components or even may sell few MBTs in future but I doubt that they shall provide us TOT of Atlay. We may think about TOT after Turkey goes for mass production and exports them in considerable numbers. Turkish defense equipment though of high quality yet expensive. Being a Nato member Turkey may not provide sophisticated techs to Pak even if they like.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I will be very surprised if this will materialize.
Politics and all....not only do Chinese "expect" you to buy theirs, the Russians might have a word or two, commenting on Pakistan buying from Ukraine. SCO membership means some concessions will have to be made. Probably.

Tank looks good though, like the rugged look of it.

I don't know what Planet you have been living on for the past 18 to 20 years Rip Van Winkle.

NEWSFLASH :

Russia has no say in this matter.

Have you not heard ? Russia and Ukraine are at WAR, Buddy.

Ukraine does not give a RAT$ A$$ what Russia thinks. Has NOT cared since 1997.

Oplot-M is a 100% Ukrainian Product

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Sorry but facts show that any country whether Muslim or not don't provide TOT without any economic/defense related benefits. Brotherly social ties at level of general public are totally different from considering international relations which are without moralities.
Though it is possible that just like French Turkey may supply some components or even may sell few MBTs in future but I doubt that they shall provide us TOT of Atlay. We may think about TOT after Turkey goes for mass production and exports them in considerable numbers. Turkish defense equipment though of high quality yet expensive. Being a Nato member Turkey may not provide sophisticated techs to Pak even if they like.

The issue with Altay is not ToT of the tank but the Japanese Engine. Secondly the tank itself is not mature but it had a lot of potential.

I don't know what Planet you have been living on for the past 18 to 20 years Rip Van Winkle.

NEWSFLASH :

Russia has no say in this matter.

Have you not heard ? Russia and Ukraine are at WAR, Buddy.

Ukraine does not give a RAT$ A$$ what Russia thinks. Has NOT cared since 1997.

Oplot-M is a 100% Ukrainian Product

If I may add Russia might be interested it OPLOT-M operational qualities and its weakness and they might be able to get that though Pakistan. But this is being a

 

[Pakistanisage]

Welcome to the forum !

I suppose its surprising to see an Italian here on a Pakistani forum !

Armstrong Bhai, just because someone is waving an ITALIAN FLAG on PDF does not mean he is Italian.

He could be a Baniya from Gujrat who likes to pretend to be an Eye_Talian..

 

[Sulman Badshah]

instead of buying oplot M

we should buy Topol M

 

[Pakistanisage]

The issue with Altay is not ToT of the tank but the Japanese Engine. Secondly the tank itself is not mature but it had a lot of potential.



If I may add Russia might be interested it OPLOT-M operational qualities and its weakness and they might be able to get that though Pakistan. But this is being a

Today's Russia is not the Russia of 20 years ago. Infact, today's Russia is very supportive of Pakistan and is selling all kind of weapons and engines to Pakistan over vociferous objections by India. When Pakistan started JF-17 Thunder project with China using RD93 and India asked Russia to block the sale of RD93 to Pakistan, Russia practically gave India the Middle Finger and told them to go to hell. India has a hard time accepting that reality.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Today's Russia is not the Russia of 20 years ago. Infact, today's Russia is very supportive of Pakistan and is selling all kind of weapons and engines to Pakistan over vociferous objections by India. When Pakistan started JF-17 Thunder project with China using RD93 and India asked Russia to block the sale of RD93 to Pakistan, Russia practically gave India the Middle Finger and told them to go to hell. India has a hard time accepting that reality.

Very true...The difference is the finger is now growing in size...

 

[Zarvan]

Sorry but facts show that any country whether Muslim or not don't provide TOT without any economic/defense related benefits. Brotherly social ties at level of general public are totally different from considering international relations which are without moralities.
Though it is possible that just like French Turkey may supply some components or even may sell few MBTs in future but I doubt that they shall provide us TOT of Atlay. We may think about TOT after Turkey goes for mass production and exports them in considerable numbers. Turkish defense equipment though of high quality yet expensive. Being a Nato member Turkey may not provide sophisticated techs to Pak even if they like.

They will provide TOT without any doubt but Altay is way to heavy that is only major issue. Getting TOT from Turkey is not a issue at all.

instead of buying oplot M

we should buy Topol M

What is that ?

 

[Pakistanisage]

They will provide TOT without any doubt but Altay is way to heavy that is only major issue. Getting TOT from Turkey is not a issue at all.


What is that ?

Topol M is an ICBM.


BTW, Zarvan OPLOT M suits us for so many reasons.

First of the price is better

Secondly we will produce 60% of the Tank with Complete ToT.

Thirdly the tank has the same family of Engine we have been using for last 20 years.
i.e 6TD-1 for T80UD, 6TD-2 for Al Khalid and 6TD-3 for Oplot-M

Plus we have good reliable time tested relationship with Ukraine.

 

[Zarvan]

Topol M is an ICBM.

I am all for it but no country sells ICBM

 

[Pakistanisage]

I am all for it but no country sells ICBM

Zarvan Bhai, Badshah Bhai Mazaq ker raha tha.

Wo Oplot-M ka Qafiya mila raha tha TOPOL-M se

They are two separate things.

Eik Tank hai doosra ICBM Missile hai.

Aap ko Mazaq sumj nehi aaya.

 

[Zarvan]

Zarvan Bhai, Badshah Bhai Mazaq ker raha tha.

Wo Oplot-M ka Qafiya mila raha tha TOPOL-M se

They are two separate things.

Eik Tank hai doosra ICBM Missile hai.

Aap ko Mazaq sumj nehi aaya.

I know that you were being obviously they are two different things

 

[Sulman Badshah]

What is that ?

Russian famous ICBM ..

 

[CHI RULES]

They will provide TOT without any doubt but Altay is way to heavy that is only major issue. Getting TOT from Turkey is not a issue at all.


What is that ?

Ok I am also clear and hope that u and I remain on this forum till 2025 let see what happens till that time. But I am sure Pak shall not get TOT of Atlay.

 

[Zarvan]

Ok I am also clear and hope that u and I remain on this forum till 2025 let see what happens till that time. But I am sure Pak shall not get TOT of Atlay.

Pak will get TOT of Turkey your post just shows your ignorance about Pakistan and Turkey relations. Every weapon we are getting from Turkey is coming with TOT. Still Pakistan would never choose Altay. Altay is way too heavy Tank for us.