T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[phantomrush]

Questionable armour? really?? as for old canon... never knew KBA-3 was an old canon taken from some other tank?

T-80UD have cast turrets of T-84.

yes.


They do not produce the gun. It was cheaper to shoot them from old tanks and sell. Africans will not notice the difference. That's how they lost production guns. As for armor, there is already laid out photos with cracks in the armor of BTR-4.

I know that 6TD diesel. This development 5TD, which stood on the T-64B and hates all the tankers.

T-80UE it as an example upgrade to T-90S / A. It can be up to MS. It all depends on your desire)))

 

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Pak Army T-80UDS

yes.


They do not produce the gun. It was cheaper to shoot them from old tanks and sell. Africans will not notice the difference. That's how they lost production guns. As for armor, there is already laid out photos with cracks in the armor of BTR-4.

KBA-3 gun produced by Ukraine:

KMDB - 125 mm KBA3 tank gun

I know that 6TD diesel. This development 5TD, which stood on the T-64B and hates all the tankers.

BS... T-80 used by soviets used gass guzzlin Turbine engines which were shit!

T-80UD uses a better engine AKA 6TD!

T-80:

T-80UD with 84 Turret:

T-80 itself was produced by Ukraine!

T-80UE it as an example upgrade to T-90S / A. It can be up to MS. It all depends on your desire)))

Again nonsense... T-90 is a modified T-72 which incorporated tech from T-80 which was expensive for russians to produce and maintain!

 

[phantomrush]

Again nonsense... T-90 is a modified T-72 which incorporated tech from T-80 which was expensive for russians to produce and maintain!

You seem very bad understand what the tanks in the USSR)
T-80 is a tank with GTE, where the engine is Unit Stake Unit Stake T-72/64
T-80 is really a very expensive car. And it is very fancy.
However, it is possible to move inwards as T-72 and T-64. It's just a struggle between the plants themselves.
T-90A is really a continuation of the idea of the T-72 with a piece of equipment T-80B / C. But T-90MS is already much further. There's a new gun, new sights, and so on.

You know how much modification of T-80 exists? There is a joke that there are no two identical T-80

Roughly speaking: T-80 and its modifications expensive in every sense of the tanks that give small advantages for huge money.
T-72 simple and reliable machine capable of a bear all that wish nezdarovy mind designer.
T-64 originator of all, but with a huge list of problems that have been converted into the T-72 and T-80 in various ways.

If you wish, you can log in to the Russian forums, there is a description of all these tanks. But you have to spend a lot of time to understand that the difference between the T-72B in '82 and T-72B '89 / T 80UA T 80UE etc.


googltranslayte sorry)

BS... T-80 used by soviets used gass guzzlin Turbine engines which were shit!

T-80UD uses a better engine AKA 6TD!

5TD diesel for T-64. 6TD development 5TD
GTD 1250 very good engines, expensive but good.
T-80UD is the same as the T-80U, only with a diesel engine for a place 6TD GTD1250

KMDB - 125 mm KBA3 tank gun

They remove the gun from the old tanks. This is the same 2A46.
When we did the gun, but now, no.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You seem very bad understand what the tanks in the USSR)
T-80 is a tank with GTE, where the engine is Unit Stake Unit Stake T-72/64
T-80 is really a very expensive car. And it is very fancy.
However, it is possible to move inwards as T-72 and T-64. It's just a struggle between the plants themselves.
T-90A is really a continuation of the idea of the T-72 with a piece of equipment T-80B / C. But T-90MS is already much further. There's a new gun, new sights, and so on.

You know how much modification of T-80 exists? There is a joke that there are no two identical T-80

Roughly speaking: T-80 and its modifications expensive in every sense of the tanks that give small advantages for huge money.
T-72 simple and reliable machine capable of a bear all that wish nezdarovy mind designer.
T-64 originator of all, but with a huge list of problems that have been converted into the T-72 and T-80 in various ways.

If you wish, you can log in to the Russian forums, there is a description of all these tanks. But you have to spend a lot of time to understand that the difference between the T-72B in '82 and T-72B '89 / T 80UA T 80UE etc.


googltranslayte sorry)


5TD diesel for T-64. 6TD development 5TD
GTD 1250 very good engines, expensive but good.
T-80UD is the same as the T-80U, only with a diesel engine for a place 6TD GTD1250


They remove the gun from the old tanks. This is the same 2A46.
When we did the gun, but now, no.

You make absolutely no sense...

KBA-3 isnt 2A46.

GTD 1250 or the SG-1000 were gas turbine engine with no benefits ... but were a burden.

 

[Zarvan]

You seem very bad understand what the tanks in the USSR)
T-80 is a tank with GTE, where the engine is Unit Stake Unit Stake T-72/64
T-80 is really a very expensive car. And it is very fancy.
However, it is possible to move inwards as T-72 and T-64. It's just a struggle between the plants themselves.
T-90A is really a continuation of the idea of the T-72 with a piece of equipment T-80B / C. But T-90MS is already much further. There's a new gun, new sights, and so on.

You know how much modification of T-80 exists? There is a joke that there are no two identical T-80

Roughly speaking: T-80 and its modifications expensive in every sense of the tanks that give small advantages for huge money.
T-72 simple and reliable machine capable of a bear all that wish nezdarovy mind designer.
T-64 originator of all, but with a huge list of problems that have been converted into the T-72 and T-80 in various ways.

If you wish, you can log in to the Russian forums, there is a description of all these tanks. But you have to spend a lot of time to understand that the difference between the T-72B in '82 and T-72B '89 / T 80UA T 80UE etc.


googltranslayte sorry)


5TD diesel for T-64. 6TD development 5TD
GTD 1250 very good engines, expensive but good.
T-80UD is the same as the T-80U, only with a diesel engine for a place 6TD GTD1250


They remove the gun from the old tanks. This is the same 2A46.
When we did the gun, but now, no.

T-90 MS is still way behind T-84 Oplot M

 

[phantomrush]

None of Oplots parts are produced in russia ... russian t-90s use ukrainian and belorussian sytems... even their t-90s exported to india are using supposedly foriegn system coz they failed in the thar desert.. its FCS got cooked... engine overheated .. etc etc

It is not true. Nothing Ukrainian present. In the tanks. Belarusian pine-sight because it is cheap, and one way to bind the Belarus because she is not rich in natural resources, so at least some benefit from them will be. This cooperation does not mean that Russia does not aim.
Approximately FSUE Novosibirsk Instrument Making Plant. They produce pine-U. It's exactly like saying that the United States does not do guns, because they have to Abrams gun Rheinmetall.
Moreover, it does not produce Ukraine optics. It collects its only component from Russia.

T-90 MS is still way behind T-84 Oplot M

LOL.
This is because the Indians T-90 and it is not possible to recognize a religion?) You MBT3000 way is the same as the continuation of the T-72.

By the way, the tank biathlon remember? at what point was ZTZ-96?))) behind the T-72B. and the more the T-72B3 1140 hp engine.

You make absolutely no sense...

KBA-3 isnt 2A46.

GTD 1250 or the SG-1000 were gas turbine engine with no benefits ... but were a burden.

Why is that? Better than the T-80U tank Soviet tank crews did not know. It is thanks to GTD. T-80UD all decommissioned Russian, do not tell me why?) And T-80U even likely to continue to upgrade on the same level with the T-90A / 72B3.

 

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It is not true. Nothing Ukrainian present.

Tank-design,gun,APS,transmission,FCS,sights,ERA,IBMS,RCWS,etc etc.. Ukraine isnt importing anything like russia.

In the tanks. Belarusian pine-sight because it is cheap, and one way to bind the Belarus because she is not rich in natural resources, so at least some benefit from them will be. This cooperation does not mean that Russia does not aim.
Approximately FSUE Novosibirsk Instrument Making Plant. They produce pine-U.

Than why go for cheap belarussian pine?? or even Catherine from France?.. those aims are yet to be fulfilled...
A Catherine for Russia: French IR for T-90 Tanks

It's exactly like saying that the United States does not do guns, because they have to Abrams gun Rheinmetall.
Moreover, it does not produce Ukraine optics. It collects its only component postupaeyuschih from Russia.

Abrams (and several other allied MBTs) were spun off from a joint US-German-British program to develop a common MBT! ... each partner nation responsible for developing specific portions of that tank

When that thing didnt go through.. those nation used technology that had already been developed in the joint program in their own MBTs ... hence you see commonalities...

It is not true. Nothing Ukrainian present. In the tanks. Belarusian pine-sight because it is cheap, and one way to bind the Belarus because she is not rich in natural resources, so at least some benefit from them will be. This cooperation does not mean that Russia does not aim.
Approximately FSUE Novosibirsk Instrument Making Plant. They produce pine-U. It's exactly like saying that the United States does not do guns, because they have to Abrams gun Rheinmetall.
Moreover, it does not produce Ukraine optics. It collects its only component from Russia.


LOL.
This is because the Indians T-90 and it is not possible to recognize a religion?) You MBT3000 way is the same as the continuation of the T-72.

By the way, the tank biathlon remember? at what point was ZTZ-96?))) behind the T-72B. and the more the T-72B3 1140 hp engine.

Why is that? Better than the T-80U tank Soviet tank crews did not know. It is thanks to GTD. T-80UD all decommissioned Russian, do not tell me why?) And T-80U even likely to continue to upgrade on the same level with the T-90A / 72B3.

Russia didnt produce T-80UD... UD uses the turret,FCS,sights,gun,engine used in T-84 (Which again is a Ukranian project)!

Pak originally bought T-80s.. but russians banned Ukraine to sell them to Pak.. so Ukranians used T-84 project and its systems to deliver the tanks which became T-80UD.


T-80 itself was produced by marshav plant in Ukraine which was back than part of USSR... T-80 itself was the most advanced tank in the russian inventory..
T-80 Standard Tank: The Soviet Army's Last Armored Champion by Steven J. Zaloga — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists

The gas turbine engine failed... the russians after the collapse of soviet union or even before that couldnt mass produce the T-80 in huge numbers to replace t-72s... what they did was use tech from T-80 .. to incorporate in T-72 ...which later became the T-90!

 

[phantomrush]

Than why go for cheap belarussian pine?? or even Catherine from France?.. those aims are yet to be fulfilled...

because cheap and quality (sosnaU) and technology transfer (Catherine) Russia buys sights abroad and then bought a license for them. According to the mass of the sight behind the Soviet school. Including Ukraine. Russia bought the license and now she makes them. Ukraine has no investment in it does not. And from there to take the modern optics? You do not understand, there is devastation. Compare budget of Ukraine and Russia, where there are modern technologies?
They can not do the type of armored vehicle Iveco / Tiger. And it's when they have a war, they were able to do for the year 4 armored cars. See? so they bought ready armored Streit Group based Ford 550 and could not collect them at the Ukraine. Here's a basic example of the development of the industry.

Russia didnt produce T-80UD... UD uses the turret,FCS,sights,gun,engine used in T-84 (Which again is a Ukranian project)!

Объект 478Б — основной танк Т-80УД «Берёза». Принят на вооружение в 1987 году[21]. Дизельный двигатель 6ТД(1000 л.с.), зенитная пулемётная установка с дистанционным управлением; первые варианты оснащались навесной ДЗ, с 1988 года — встроенная ДЗ, как на Т-80У; боевая масса 46 т; к 1995 году все Т-80УД Российской армии выведены из эксплуатации.

Т-80 — Википедия

 

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because cheap and quality (sosnaU) and technology transfer (Catherine) Russia buys sights abroad and then bought a license for them. According to the mass of the sight behind the Soviet school. Including Ukraine. Russia bought the license and now she makes them. Ukraine has no investment in it does not. And from there to take the modern optics? You do not understand, there is devastation. Compare budget of Ukraine and Russia, where there are modern technologies?
They can not do the type of armored vehicle Iveco / Tiger. And it's when they have a war, they were able to do for the year 4 armored cars. See? so they bought ready armored Streit Group based Ford 550 and could not collect them at the Ukraine. Here's a basic example of the development of the industry.



Объект 478Б — основной танк Т-80УД «Берёза». Принят на вооружение в 1987 году[21]. Дизельный двигатель 6ТД(1000 л.с.), зенитная пулемётная установка с дистанционным управлением; первые варианты оснащались навесной ДЗ, с 1988 года — встроенная ДЗ, как на Т-80У; боевая масса 46 т; к 1995 году все Т-80УД Российской армии выведены из эксплуатации.

Т-80 — Википедия

russia doesnt produce catherns under license... and i cant read russian.

 

[phantomrush]

T-80 itself was produced by marshav plant in Ukraine which was back than part of USSR... T-80 itself was the most advanced tank in the russian inventory..

The gas turbine engine failed... the russians after the collapse of soviet union or even before that couldnt mass produce the T-80 in huge numbers to replace t-72s... what they did was use tech from T-80 .. to incorporate in T-72 ...which later became the T-90!

WHAT ??????
Кировский завод

Here created the T-80! You really gone crazy or something ????
It Leningrad / St Peterburg, Russia!

russia doesnt produce catherns under license... and i cant read russian.

Object 478B - the main tank T-80UD "Birch". Adopted in 1987 [21]. 6TD diesel engine (1000 hp), anti-aircraft machine-gun system with remote control; the first versions were equipped with hinged DZ, 1988 - Integrated RS, on the T-80U; The combat weight of 46 tons; By 1995, all of the T-80UD Russian Army decommissioned.

 

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WHAT ??????
Кировский завод

Here created the T-80! You really gone crazy or something ????
It Leningrad / St Peterburg, Russia!



Object 478B - the main tank T-80UD "Birch". Adopted in 1987 [21]. 6TD diesel engine (1000 hp), anti-aircraft machine-gun system with remote control; the first versions were equipped with hinged DZ, 1988 - Integrated RS, on the T-80U; The combat weight of 46 tons; By 1995, all of the T-80UD Russian Army decommissioned.

T-80 was produced by Kharkiv .. while T-72 was produced by Uralvagonzavod !!

T-80 info:
Main Battle Tank - T-80/T80U/T80UM/T-80UM1/T-80UM2

 

[phantomrush]

T-80 was produced by Kharkiv .. while T-72 was produced by Uralvagonzavod !!

This is complete nonsense!
April 16, 1968 adopted a joint resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the USSR Council of Ministers on the establishment of a gas turbine tank. By this time in the name of CLRI V.Klimova we developed a good engine GTD-1000T 1,000 hp, and KB-3 Kirov Plant (chief designer N.Popov), based on a gas turbine version of the T-64A in 1970 performed in an experienced metal object 219. After several years of testing and dovodok 6 August 1976 war machine have adopted under the T-80. "Vosmidesyatki" the world's first serial tank with gas turbine engine (serial production of the tank M1 "Abrams" began in 1980).

t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_3.htm

KB-3 Kirov factory creators T-80!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-80
In 1966 the experimental Ob'yekt 288 rocket tank, powered by two aerial GTD-350 turbine engines with a combined power of 691 hp (515 kW), was first built. Trials indicated that twin propulsion was no better than the turbine engine which had been in development since 1968 at KB-3 of the Kirov Plant (LKZ) and at WNII Transmash. The tank from LKZ equipped with this turbine engine was designed by Nikolay Popov. It was constructed in 1969 and designated Ob'yekt 219 SP1. It was renamed the T-64T, and was powered by a GTD-1000T multi-fuel gas turbine engine producing up to 1,000 hp (746 kW). During the trials it became clear that the increased weight and dynamic characteristics required a complete redesign of the vehicle's caterpillar track system. The second prototype, designated Ob'yekt 219 SP2, received bigger drive sprockets and return rollers. The number of wheels was increased from five to six. The construction of the turret was altered to use the same compartment, 125 mm 2A46 tank gun, auto loader and placement of ammunition as the T-64A. Some additional equipment was scavenged from the T-64A. The LKZ plant built a series of prototypes based on Ob'yekt 219 SP2. After seven years of upgrades, the tank became the T-80.[15]

LKZ---- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov_Plant

I will reveal to you a terrible secret at all, later, the T-80 did Omsktransmash! but the developer LKZ!

 

[Blue Marlin]

Lol..........
Simple rule
East is on right side, west is on left side.......
Just consider Pakistan as mid point, not England........

thats how i see it anyway i live in the uk so thats my point of reference.

 

[Super Falcon]

T 80UD is very potent tank and best in on its own class i still think pakistan should not go ahead with opket all hands up but i agree we buy them TOT as we did with T80UD buy 250 of these tanks are enough dont go full production

In future tanks will get latest with armour sensors and can use anti aircraft missile to stop apaches etc

 

[Andrei_bt]

yes.
I know that 6TD diesel. This development 5TD, which stood on the T-64B and hates all the tankers.

Maybe who really use 6TD like it, it was hated only by those who use on their tanks still use modernized V-2 engine created for T-34 in Ukraine 70+ years ago.