T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[cabatli_53]

If the statements Ukrainian members claimed regarding Russian land vehicle sector is true, Then Turkish contactors should crush Russian vehicles one by one joined into same tenders along with Turkish vehicles. What Russia can't produce in 2015, are being developed 10-15 years ago in my country. I know their big defficiencies regarding thermal subsystem sector but I didn't suppose such a big gaps on basic sight and FCS (If true). Really interesting... It is really hard to believe since We are talking about Russia...

 

[Andrei_bt]

If the statements Ukrainian members claimed regarding Russian land vehicle sector is true, Then Turkish contactors should crush Russian vehicles one by one joined into same tenders along with Turkish vehicles. What Russia can't produce in 2015, are being developed 15 years ago in my country. I know their big defficiencies regarding thermal subsystem sector but I didn't suppose such a big gaps on basic sight and FCS (If true). Really interesting... It is really hard to believe since We are talking about Russia...

Maybe they first have to participate in at least one of them?

 

[cabatli_53]

Maybe they first have to participate in at least one of them?

Under the agreement, Ukraine's rocket, space, and defence companies will be able to participate in joint projects with Turkish industry, with Turkey proposing a future framework agreement with Ukroboronprom and the Ukrainian government's space agency.

Other agreements also included the joint development of aeroengines between Ukraine's Ivchenko-Progress and Turkish Engine Industries, and joint development projects covering radar and communication systems, armoured vehicles, and the Turkish Altay main battle tank programme.

Turkey, Ukraine announce defence industrial collaboration - IHS Jane's 360

Having any details about this news my friend ?

 

[Malik Alashter]

Sir sorry but you are wrong T-90 latest model is not even close to T-84 Oplot M from engine to other parts T-84 Oplot M is way ahead.

Based on what you think the T-90 is not close to oplot-m.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Nothing could be more difficult than what they had to pull out for our t-80uds, heck that order literally freed their industry from Russo's. They have the means to deliver the order if placed so no issues.

yes i know urkraine has built it own capabilities to build tanks to complete the pakistan tank order. urkraine now has the capabilities to build welded turrets and others. urkraine current situation may complicate things and also it will complicate relations with russia

 

[Amaa'n]

not sure about the fourth one....am still trying to find out.....unfortunately am away at work for next few weeks, so no access to person....

We have around 2000 Type-59s,62s,85s to replace.


AK project although a success (with it being exported to several countries ..I.E: KSA, export versions to Peru,Myanmar,Bangladesh etc) can't be Chunned in larger numbers -- 50 AKs come off the production line each year.

And we need to replace old obsolete sh1t fast. Ukranians Oplot not only offers us commonality with our existing fleet of UDs,but they are offering us 60% production.... probably cheaper rates,and a nice tank. I doubt anybody woul refuse that.

@Audio. Russian MS was also a contender.



No idea .. Probably have to wait till 2016... For the AK with 6 major upgrades...


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@balixd what were the contenders :

Oplot
MBT-3000
MS

the fourth?

 

[Zarvan]

Based on what you think the T-90 is not close to oplot-m.

From engine to all its features Oplot M is far more advanced even Russians are not to happy with T-90

not sure about the fourth one....am still trying to find out.....unfortunately am away at work for next few weeks, so no access to person....

According to @kaonalpha T-90 MS and another Tank will arrive in December for tests. He is not telling if Oplot M is already selected, than why are they coming ?

 

[ssethii]

Suddenly the Russian products have become junk and Chinese ones are out of competition. All hail Ukraine(PDF).
But if I remember correctly Russians swept through their lands and they couldn't fire a damn bullet.
So much for their military prowess over Russia.

 

[Zarvan]

Suddenly the Russian products have become junk and Chinese ones are out of competition. All hail Ukraine(PDF).
But if I remember correctly Russians swept through their lands and they couldn't fire a damn bullet.
So much for their military prowess over Russia.

It's not neccassry that a country with really good defence industry and products will also have really good Armed Forces.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Suddenly the Russian products have become junk and Chinese ones are out of competition. All hail Ukraine(PDF).
But if I remember correctly Russians swept through their lands and they couldn't fire a damn bullet.
So much for their military prowess over Russia.

It isn't about prowess .. Germany captured France in what?

You gotta give credit where it is due... Russians themselves are using ukranian systems in their tanks ... They have also stopped upgrading their t-90s (which if you know didn't work real good in india).... Instead they have chosen the Armata... The Ukranians on the other have developed Oplot based on the most modern and expensive soviet tank the T-80.. Whose tech was used to upgrade the t-72 aka t-90.

 

[Osmanovic]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
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Great looking tank, unfortunately we have not see an official announcement.

Some of the brothers have shown statistics regarding the Oplot from Greek Tank Trials, and there has been some information released regarding the trials it has undertaken in Turkey. The results are not the best however the integration of Turkish optics and other subsystems would be a good idea and could give this tank a great advantage over the tanks fielded by India.

"Aselsan has supplied sighting and other sub-systems for Pakistan's Al-Zarrar/upgraded Type-59 tanks and Ukrainian-supplied T-80UD, and transferred radio design and manufacture technology."
Can not post links yet, from defense news

Some Pakistani Tanks already have Turkish sub systems so I don't see why fitting them onto the Oplot is out of the question. This would grant the Pakistani Army tanks that can operate on its own infrastructure (Bridges, narrow streets) while having western style advanced subsystems.

 

[Armstrong]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
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Great looking tank, unfortunately we have not see an official announcement.

Some of the brothers have shown statistics regarding the Oplot from Greek Tank Trials, and there has been some information released regarding the trials it has undertaken in Turkey. The results are not the best however the integration of Turkish optics and other subsystems would be a good idea and could give this tank a great advantage over the tanks fielded by India.

"Aselsan has supplied sighting and other sub-systems for Pakistan's Al-Zarrar/upgraded Type-59 tanks and Ukrainian-supplied T-80UD, and transferred radio design and manufacture technology."
Can not post links yet, from defense news

Some Pakistani Tanks already have Turkish sub systems so I don't see why fitting them onto the Oplot is out of the question. This would grant the Pakistani Army tanks that can operate on its own infrastructure (Bridges, narrow streets) while having western style advanced subsystems.

Are you really Bosnian ?

 

[ssethii]

This picture speaks for itself. @Zarvan (if I remember correctly you previously had fetish with Russian products) @DESERT FIGHTER

 

[Hakan]

india as of right now is stuck with 500 T-90S.
1700+ T-72s (without night visions and bursting canons)
And 118_24 Arjun's.


Pak has an EDGE.. Our AK-I is much better than their T-90s.. They bought T-90s to compete with our UDs !


Pak tank fleet :

600 AK-I's
325 UDs (upgraded)
550+ AZs
500-600 Type-85IIAPs (We're modified variants produced by Pak)
Etc etc!


Oplots have an advantage over anything india has... AK-I itself beats T-90 on pure specs !

As for Altay nope... We don't need that... When we have our own AK Project.. The smartest thing (which is being done) is getting subsystems if Altay... According to HIT officials they are going for Turkish systems to equip AK.. Which till now has been using French systems like Matis etc.. Turkish ones are a little cheaper and on par with French ones... That's an advantage in itself.


Oplots share similarities with out UDs or 84s.. With 60% ToT that's another advantage.

P.S: Altay is useless in our terrain ... Specially in Punjab and Sindh.. Apart from the soil.. Our canal systems,rails,bridges cant support such a heavy tank...




Sir there is Alot of difference between Northern Pak and the plains of Punjab and deserts of Sindh...

Abrams failing in the 90s.. Indian T-90s cooking their FCS & engines etc ... Apart from that the infrastructure constraints...

And even our AK project etc make Altay undesirable!


But the good news is that AK will use Altays subsystems...like gunner,commander sights etc.

Im not an expert on indian tank force but it looks like they are doing some upgrades:

1,600 Indian T-72s Slated for Night Vision Upgrades | Defense Update:

India to replace bursting T-72 tank barrels under Rs 1,500 cr deal with Russia - timesofindia-economictimes

Anyway this purchase T-84 purchase is not bad, I just want to make myself clear on that point and I agree with @Osmanovic's points.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
​

Great looking tank, unfortunately we have not see an official announcement.

Some of the brothers have shown statistics regarding the Oplot from Greek Tank Trials, and there has been some information released regarding the trials it has undertaken in Turkey. The results are not the best however the integration of Turkish optics and other subsystems would be a good idea and could give this tank a great advantage over the tanks fielded by India.

"Aselsan has supplied sighting and other sub-systems for Pakistan's Al-Zarrar/upgraded Type-59 tanks and Ukrainian-supplied T-80UD, and transferred radio design and manufacture technology."
Can not post links yet, from defense news

Some Pakistani Tanks already have Turkish sub systems so I don't see why fitting them onto the Oplot is out of the question. This would grant the Pakistani Army tanks that can operate on its own infrastructure (Bridges, narrow streets) while having western style advanced subsystems.

No AZ's are using italian Thetis .. AK uses French .. But according to HIT they are planning to get Turkish sights for AK (which is using Matis etx as of right now)... Which I believe is a good thing.. We all here would love to see more cooperation with Turkey.