T-129 Atak & Turkish Attack Helicopter Programs

[merzifonlu]

I guess things are looking to move towards Atak II with Ukrainian engine! Not a bad setup

I doubt the Atak-2 would be suitable for Pakistan. We are talking about a heavier helicopter than Apache. She will have great difficulty in adapting to high altitude and hot weather conditions. In addition, fuel and maintenance costs will be much higher than the T-129. The T-129 is exactly the helicopter that fits the needs of Pakistan. We can even say that it is the only helicopter in the world.

 

[SgtGungHo]

Weren't they looking at Safran Arrano 1A engines? Maybe now is the time to strike a deal with those.

It seems like Turkey is concerned with their weapon exports being constrained by endless arms embargo by American & Western European countries so the country decides not to employ a Safran engine. Even if Turkey buys the French engine now, it takes at least 3 years to properly integrate the engine & get all testing & certification done. If Turkey is confident in their turboshaft engine in devlepoment (TS1400) why would they even bother with the French option?

Within about 5~6 years, Turkey will (allegedly) have a complete set of indigenous 1400 hp engine & matching transmission.

 

[Path-Finder]

I doubt the Atak-2 would be suitable for Pakistan. We are talking about a heavier helicopter than Apache. She will have great difficulty in adapting to high altitude and hot weather conditions. In addition, fuel and maintenance costs will be much higher than the T-129. The T-129 is exactly the helicopter that fits the needs of Pakistan. We can even say that it is the only helicopter in the world.

wouldn't the engine be the same as Mi8/17? so the maintenance will accessible? Ukraine has no political issues with Pakistan.

As for heavy helo well Pakistan would face a huge armored thrust from india as they are bulking up with T90 and upgraded T72 etc. so a heavy helo can be a great barrier to it.

Yes its not going to be for high altitude which was why T129 was chosen.

 

[mjting01]

It seems like Turkey is concerned with their weapon exports being constrained by endless arms embargo by American & Western European countries so the country decides not to employ a Safran engine. Even if Turkey buys the French engine now, it takes at least 3 years to properly integrate the engine & get all testing & certification done. If Turkey is confident in their turboshaft engine in devlepoment (TS1400) why would they even bother with the French option?

Within about 5~6 years, Turkey will (allegedly) have a complete set of indigenous 1400 hp engine & matching transmission.

The Safran engine was initially in the selection against the LHTEC one, so I'm sure it will take much less time than testing the TS1400 which is a totally new-made engine. The Arrano has been certified already and is fully operational. If it were in the running before, I'm sure integration and test will go much quicker than the TS1400. And it will at least give TR an ITAR-free option.

Original Power System TS1400 Turboshaft Engine Developed by TEI’s Seasoned Team of Experts for the T625 Helicopter

As a close follower of development and innovations in the field of aviation engines TUSAS Engine Industries Inc. (TEI) has accomplished important milestones in the initiatives toward developing the indigenous and national TS1400 Turboshaft Engine under the Turboshaft Engine Development Project...

www.defenceturkey.com

Update (2019): Pakistan’s T129 ATAK Attack Helicopter Purchase

In an interview published on 02 December 2019, the head of Turkey’s Defense Industries Presidency (SSB), Dr. İsmail Demir said the sale of 30 T129 ATAK attack helicopters to Pakistan is still proceeding.

quwa.org

 

[Deino]

You are right. TEI CEO Dr. Mahmut Akşit stated that the engine tests to be carried out on the Gökbey helicopter will take up to 4 years. Therefore, it will take 5 years, with the most optimistic estimation, for the TS-1400 engine to be ready for the T-129 helicopter in accordance with military standards.

Thanks a lot for this post; finally a real date and not again "soon it will be"!

 

[xbat]

New version of AVCI head mounted display, seems like a bit f35 helmet to me

for comparison with old one

and i think it would end up something like this

 

[Dac O Dac]

US blocks delivery of Turkish gunships to Pakistan

US blocks delivery of Turkish gunships to Pakistan

Turkey and Pakistan had signed a $1.5 billion deal for the Turkish-made helicopter gunships in July 2018.

www.dawn.com

 

[mjting01]

US blocks delivery of Turkish gunships to Pakistan

US blocks delivery of Turkish gunships to Pakistan

Turkey and Pakistan had signed a $1.5 billion deal for the Turkish-made helicopter gunships in July 2018.

www.dawn.com

Posted this already days ago. No need to re-post what has been posted.

 

[mjting01]

Ankara contourne Washington pour exporter ses T129 vers le Pakistan

archived 22 Mar 2021 10:49:19 UTC

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Any veracity on the Ph claims? I thought these was already confirmed. Although the Mention of Qatar puts a damper on the legitimacy of the article. Qatar never confirmed anything that TAI also did confirm.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We will get Turkish Engine ones for sure this Chopper will be in Pakistan

 

[Deino]

We will get Turkish Engine ones for sure this Chopper will be in Pakistan

... and WHEN will this "sure" be or has the PA the time to wait so long? IMO not since neither this Turkish engine nor its availability - soon - for the export market is guaranteed.

 

[Successwill]

TEI CEO: Current TS-1400 is NOT suitable for attack helicopters!!!!!!

 

[Philip the Arab]

TEI CEO: Current TS-1400 is NOT suitable for attack helicopters!!!!!!

So now 10 more years of development?

 

[Successwill]

CEO said the engine was not meant to be for attack helis. It was built for T-625 civillian helicopter..

For an attack variant some small modifications required, he added.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

So now 10 more years of development?

Military engines require more than one oil pump. because it has higher maneuverability than general purpose helicopters. Since the current model was developed for the T625 Gokbey, it was not added to avoid weight issues. It is easy to adapt militarily, the problem is that the engine is not ready anyway.