Syrian shows off its MiG-29 (Russia's counterpart of F-18)

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

don't troll, and stick to the topic, this not change the fact that Russian engine/Avionics sucks in comparison of western engines like P&W f-119/P&W F-135/EJ-200/M-88 etc etc

IMO Russian engines are superior to French engines like M88. So your assertion does not hold water.

 

[Ultima Thule]

IMO Russian engines are superior to French engines like M88. So your assertion does not hold water.

I am noty talking about thrust, there several other tech that will make Engine more sophisticated then Russian maintenance prone engine

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I am noty talking about thrust, there several other tech that will make Engine more sophisticated then Russian maintenance prone engine

Russian engines are best in world.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Russian engines are best in world.

Yeah for your asss yes but why you don't say best in the whole universe, does they have IR reduction features like F-119 and F-135 have???

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Yeah for your asss yes but why you don't say best in the whole universe, does they have IR reduction features like F-119 and F-135 have???

IR reduction is fake.

 

[Ultima Thule]

IR reduction is fake.

Your asss is also fake, then why your beloved Russian trying to make similar type of engine for SU-57???

 

[Mughal-Prince]

mig-29 fulcrum with full load of fuel and two R-27 and four R-73==> thrust to weight=1.05
f-18 hornet with full load of fuel and 8 AMRAAMS==> thrust to weight=0.89
mig-29 turn rate=28 degrees per second
f-18 turn rate=19 degrees per second
mig-29 maximum angle of attack=45 degrees
f-18 maximum angle of attack=~30 degrees

With 8 AMRAAMS rest of the turn rate and maximum angle of attack is irrelevant. What comes relevant is radar cross-section which is with Mig 29 is 5 whereas F-18 is 1 and in addition, it has better avionics. So Mig may never be going to have a firing solution while F-18 with other support may Fire 2 BVRs towards Mig and drift away while vectoring it till the active homing and once its active phase is on and if Mig carries a missile warning then it may try a little before its been blown into smithereens.

 

[Darth Vader]

Close range dogfights Jeff will struggle, leaving it at a complete disadvantage to anything with HOBS capabilities. The negative angle on the gun and extremely limited ammo make it not an ideal dogfight weapon, Slower than her contemporaries and overall lacks the engine power to stay in the fight. The only way the jf17 ( we call it jeff in the aviation world ) can win in a dog fight vs the fulcrum is to fly fast with high energy. Any other scenario flying at lows speeds or below the deck and the jeff is grilled. Jf 17 is too heavy from the middle cause it not to be so maneuverable.

in modern air combat, dogfights are no longer a thing and BVR combat is where it's at. Yeah, pilots still practice for it because you never know what's going to happen, but modern doctrine is to launch your BVR missiles at the enemy and when you run out, you go home and let another flight take over. Saying that the JF-17 can't out-perform the Mirage/Migs 29 in a dogfight is like saying a person can't win a hand-to-hand fight against a bear while ignoring why they're even getting that close to a bear in the first place.

At the end the pilot is the important key not the jet > like we saw the mig 21 shooting down f16.

JEFF - DCS
and most of your knowledge is from DCS to be more precise from watching youtube videos

 

[Mithridates]

No avionics/engine wise Russian jets lag far behind the western ones

Russians were the first to make an electrical steered radar, and compare P&W TF-30 with al-31...
those are cheap words by american propaganda machine and people like to repeat it for not an apparent reason. Russians though have a bad communist mindset which prefer quantity over quality. if it was not for this you might have seen su-35 during cold war.

With 8 AMRAAMS rest of the turn rate and maximum angle of attack is irrelevant. What comes relevant is radar cross-section which is with Mig 29 is 5 whereas F-18 is 1 and in addition, it has better avionics. So Mig may never be going to have a firing solution while F-18 with other support may Fire 2 BVRs towards Mig and drift away while vectoring it till the active homing and once its active phase is on and if Mig carries a missile warning then it may try a little before its been blown into smithereens.

early mig-29 radar could lock f-18 around 50 km while f-18 with it's first generation radar could do it around 70 km.
you might think like "i told you mig is week or..." but in reality mig-29 intentionally designed that way and it's a dagger fighter jet, last hope.
soviets first line of defense was mig-31/25 then su-27 and lastly the mig-29. it was kinda smart. this mind set still exists in Russian military. they do not make multi roles. each plane has it's own role.
mig-29/35 is a machine and as i said before in many cases is superior to it's western counterparts. it depends on you to how to use it.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Russians were the first to make an electrical steered radar, and compare P&W TF-30 with al-31...
those are cheap words by american propaganda machine and people like to repeat it for not an apparent reason. Russians though have a bad communist mindset which prefer quantity over quality. if it was not for this you might have seen su-35 during cold war.

PESA yes but PESA is less advance then AESA, and MTBO of TF-30 is really bad because it was the first turbofan develop by USA for fighter jets but what about P&W F-100 same class as AL-31 as compare ro F-100 AL-31 has low MTBO

early mig-29 radar could lock f-18 around 50 km while f-18 with it's first generation radar could do it around 70 km.

And early Mig-29's radar has own range limitation and problems , new radar for early Mig-29 had not ready at the time of Mig-29 production as stopgap measure Mig-23 radars with upgrades utilized for Early Mig-29