Syrian opposition group reportedly recognizes Israel

[war&peace]

Humanitarian medical aid to Syrian wounded, apparently regardless of political affiliation (as long as they're not part of the Iran-Hezbollah-Assad "Shia alliance"): link. No military support is provided.

Wow contradiction within the same sentence

 

[AmirPatriot]

Entirely unsurprising. These public announcements only make it easier to tell the world where these "rebel" alliances lie, which is with Israel and not Syria.

I kinda like the hotel opposition. It's somewhat secular, liberal and wants to make peace with all of Syria's neighbors. Too bad the head choppers in Idlibistan don't recognize the hotel diplomats though.

Are you truly that naive? Doesn't it occur to you that the "hotel opposition" are just the PR wing for the "moderate" terrorists on the ground? They probably learnt it from the NCRI, which is the PR wing for the MKO terrorist group.

apparently regardless of political affiliation (as long as they're not part of the Iran-Hezbollah-Assad "Shia alliance")

So I guess that narrows it down to just ISIS and their buddies as well as the "moderate" terrorists. Yeah, entirely regardless of political affiliation...

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Are you truly that naive? Doesn't it occur to you that the "hotel opposition" are just the PR wing for the "moderate" terrorists on the ground? They probably learnt it from the NCRI, which is the PR wing for the MKO terrorist group.

Not all of them, Amir jan.

Some of the hotel diplomats are honest about their intention to create a democratic and secular Syria, but they're powerless and can't do anything about the situation on the ground. A lot of them don't even get invited for the peace talks lol.

Anyway, my comment was mostly sarcastic.

 

[Solomon2]

So I guess that narrows it down to just ISIS and their buddies -

It's tough for me to follow the alliances and treacheries of the Syrian factions. In the past year ISIS has attacked Israel which then responded with air strikes: link.

"History shows that hitting Israel or otherwise showing support for the Palestinian cause is a frequent recourse for Arab despots on the ropes." link

 

[YeBeWarned]

You believe this guy Al-Masri's SFS is going to rule some corner of Syria, eliminate anti-Israel elements there, invite the Jews to return, and make peace with Israel?

What have you been drinking? I have got to try some myself!

and you think that People of Syria will make peace with you ? Dude i don't drink anything , i never even smoke in my life but you are on some high hashish from Afghanistan, Invite Jews yea and we know how that turn out .. plus after Israel treatment of Rebels , its clear that you guys have no intention to keep peace around your country .. the Chaos suits you ..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Some of the hotel diplomats are honest about their intention to create a democratic and secular Syria, but they're powerless

They are powerless because the west doesn't give a crap about democracy or secularism as long as the subject (in this case Syria) bows down to them. Evidently this particular group is going for the much more fruitful second option.

 

[YeBeWarned]

ISIS was and is Israeli pet, the terrorist ideology of ISIS is very similar to the zionist state and they have helped each other on multiple occasions

That's why when Russia entered the war against ISIS, the terrorist state of Israel and their Jewish tushy was on fire

he will deny everything even when there is a Video evidence and even Terrorist themselves acknowledge Israel and US help in this fight, but he continuously Post Anti-Pakistan BS without a shred of evidence .. Enjoy this guy i love how delusion this guy is

 

[AmirPatriot]

In the past year ISIS has attacked Israel which then responded with air strikes: link.

Of course, nobody expects you to have complete control of your bitches. The west had the same case with Saddam, he was their bitch while he was attacking Iran, but as soon as the bitch bit it's master, it got put down.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

They are powerless because the west doesn't give a crap about democracy or secularism as long as the subject (in this case Syria) bows down to them. Evidently this particular group is going for the much more fruitful second option.

That's true, but not completely true, Amir.

America, in a way, does want to promote democracy. Not all the time, but sometimes it does. And that's because democracy is America's official religion. By spreading democracy to different regions, the US will always have the ability to manipulate elections in other countries in order to shape regional politics and alliances.

So the Wilsonian doctrine of promoting democracy is still very important for US hegemonic ambitions, but it's usually superseded by more important short-term geopolitical calculations in resource-rich regions.

 

[Solomon2]

and you think that People of Syria will make peace with you ?

I don't know how representative this guy is.

...plus after Israel treatment of Rebels , its clear that you guys have no intention to keep peace around your country...

Israel's border security was degraded when Syria's civil war compelled U.N. forces to evacuate the border region. Israel also has peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. So there's every reason to believe Israel seeks a stable peace at its northern borders as well.

 

[AmirPatriot]

By spreading democracy to different regions, the US will always have the ability to manipulate elections in other countries in order to shape regional politics and alliances.

You said it yourself. Democracy is merely a tool for the US. They do not care about democracy, they care about their hegemonic ambitions and nothing else. If promoting democracy helps achieve that ambition (even if the new puppet doesn't turn out to be a democracy), they'll use it.

Though I still refute what you said, the US doesn't even need democracy to influence. It has economic & military incentives, as well as coercion (using the same themes). In my mind democracy is just a "buzzword" for them to use to get world opinion on their side.

 

[Solomon2]

Of course, nobody expects you to have complete control of your bitches. The west had the same case with Saddam, he was their bitch while he was attacking Iran, but as soon as the bitch bit it's master, it got put down.

Western and Arab nations provided Iraq with military and economic support - it was referred to as "The Tilt" in Washington. But that doesn't mean Israel is providing these to the Syrian rebels.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I don't know how representative this guy is.

Israel's border security was degraded when Syria's civil war compelled U.N. forces to evacuate the border region. Israel also has peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. So there's every reason to believe Israel seeks a stable peace at its northern borders as well.

You are cherry Picking my sentences , look it in context you treat the rebels mean you are giving clear message to Assad regime and supporters that you are playing a double game, plus you run your own bombing campaign against the Assad as well, now if the war is over which i dont believe it will you really think that Syrian Regime will sit with you to eat Kosher ? i doub't that, it can or will happen only if you start bombing Rebels and ISIS and make peace with Assad, but than you will not be spared by the Rebels who see Israel as oppressor ..
as i say, its in Israel best interest to keep the Chaos in ME .. a stable ME will endanger your very existence as a Country

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

You said it yourself. Democracy is merely a tool for the US. They do not care about democracy, they care about their hegemonic ambitions and nothing else. If promoting democracy helps achieve that ambition (even if the new puppet doesn't turn out to be a democracy), they'll use it.

Though I still refute what you said, the US doesn't even need democracy to influence. It has economic & military incentives, as well as coercion (using the same themes). In my mind democracy is just a "buzzword" for them to use to get world opinion on their side.

They don't need it in countries that are already willing to submit to American hegemony.

But they'll promote it in places like Iran and Syria because those countries have so far refused to play second fiddle to them.

If Iran suddenly decides to submit to American hegemony, then the two countries will become friends overnight and all pro-democracy rhetoric towards Iran will quietly disappear.

Still, however, democracies are easier to manipulate than dictatorships. If the US gets into a future disagreement with its new Iranian ally, then it won't be able to peacefully remove the Iranian leaders from power. But should Iran be a democracy, then the US can always make sure it lets pro-US political parties win the general/presidential elections.

So, in the end, America will by default favor democracy to other forms of government.

The real question is whether becoming part of the US sphere of influence is necessarily a bad thing. For countries like Germany and Japan, it has worked wonders. In exchange for becoming part of the US-led international system, these countries have benefited a lot in terms of economics, technology and science. Moreover, the citizens of these countries enjoy many kinds of freedoms and liberties.

So is it that bad? The world has always been that way.

Finally, becoming part of a US-led international system does not necessarily mean Iran will lose its autonomy. At the end of the day, all countries are autonomous and independent decision-makers, including those that appear to act as puppets to greater powers.

 

[Solomon2]

You are cherry Picking my sentences , look it in context you treat the rebels mean you are giving clear message to Assad regime and supporters that you are playing a double game, plus you run your own bombing campaign against the Assad as well -

Eh, don't know about "double game" but as the Russians have conceded Israel's attacks in Syria target Hezbollah, not Assadists.