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How come you can even say that PA/ISI should have made sure they don't cross the border, when they supported them in the first place and provided all the santuaries? Haqqani to Hekmatyar, they are still Pakistan's assets.
I swear to God I don't understand this new breed of people. People like you Pashtun, hate Pakistan and PA so much that you are unreasonable. On one hand you accuse the PA of being hand in hand with and providing sanctuaries to those who we have declared to be terrorists. And on the other hand you accuse us of being 'too hard' and killing our people in counter-terrorism efforts?
Its very ironic. Anyone having a different point of view is dubbed as "Anti-Pakistan and Anti-Army". Why is that, I wonder?
It is as much as my country as much as yours. The Army is as much as mine as much as yours.
The only difference here is, you are either from Army or simply have allegiance, and hence blindly defending everything regarding that instituition. No, sir, the country rise when people question the motives of the instituitions, the actions of the government, the wrongdoings of the institutions and demands transparency. That doesn't mean that they are "Anti-country" or Anti-Instiuition". It means they are concerned with the actions and strategies of such departments.
There are precious lives of soldiers as well as civilians are being lost for some dictators who wanted to cling to his seat for the rest of his life and abused the army and the power.
As I said to brother Agnostic, denial is not a river in Pakistan. If we are to keep on denying every wrongdoing of the certain institutions we have allegiances/associations with.
This is reminding me of East Pakistan. Every other Pakistani denied what GoP was doing in Bangladesh, and the GoP, as usual, tried everything to cover it up, and there, we gave a golden opportunity to enemy to interfere and use the benefit of our arrogance and ignorance and cut our arm.
So no, not everyone who questions the instituitions actions our of concerns, is Anti-Instituition. So please, be rational for a moment and stop labeling every other person Anti-Pakistan or Anti-Army, who does not agree with you.
So technically you fully support Indian propaganda and on the other hand you're an outlet for terrorist rhetoric as well? What a contradiction, on second thought, not really but what a technical contradiction never the less. Whatever you hear that makes Pakistan out as the ‘bad guy’ you’re willing to believe and preach, even if morally it makes no sense. Where is your loyalty? Down the gutter that’s where.
No, there's no propoganda. It's a fact that PA/ISI supported Talebans. It's a fact that Pakistan was the first country that legitimised Talebans and supported them with every thing they could to gain control of Afghanistan. It's a fact that Hekmatyar is Pakistan's asset (even Zaid Hamid in one of his lectures confirmed that how Ahmed Shah Masood was snubbed over Hekmatyar for support and finance). There's no propoganda in this. You cannot blame India for all your failures (like India does). If you keep on denying everything, it will land you sooner or later in a refugee camp. You must understand the design of the Super Powers as to how they play their games by installing their own people in GoP and other institutions and then when its time, they make the case and go after the country (Iraq is the best example).
This new breed of Mullah on one had demonizes the PA for protecting their country-men from Al-Qaeda, but on the other hand they rant about western and even Indian democracy standards as if it’s the best thing that hit humanity. Whichever way they look, Pakistan is never good enough for them.
Al-Qaeda? does Al-qaeda even exist? That tells me how much you know about international affairs.
And it amazes me how people here assume things on their own. e.g. accusing me for "praising western and indian democracy standards" and "snubbing Pakistan".
I mean this clearly shows, why our country is in shambles. When people like you are there to defend "all the wrongdoings" and snub everyone who raises his voice by calling him/her "any-pakistan" and "india-lover".
Why deploy the army to destroy the country when we have people like you, decaying the country left n right by supporting everything wrong and suppressing all voices by shouting at them and accusing them for things they never say... brilliant strategy of the west, I must admit.
If you haven't noticed, one of the yank here also supported you all for killing your own people and excellently saying "patrioc pakistanis". I guess patriotism is left for those who supports the western design that the country is supporting?
Why do these people never want to serve the Pakistan that is? Why do they say they’ll be loyal only if Pakistan is remade in a twisted image for them? Being nation of 166 million, Pakistan has a lot of useless junk around. Liabilities that keep us from advancing either way. The public is confused, they lack vision. There is no one to tackle or even counter this corrosively reckless rhetoric and the politicians themselves capitalize on it, so we end up with people like Zardari as president.
How exactly you know I never served Pakistan? is serving the country only means one have to be in Army?
The country does not flourish, because it is ruled by army for half of her life. The other half was directly influenced. The dictatorships only land the country in utter chaos. Specially as big as ours. Perhpas if you haven't noticed, Pakistan crumbled in past 10 years. One after another incidence and our stupid policies to deal with them, almost caused us terrorist state notion. One after another stupid policies landed us into "Top 10 Failed State" status.
Denial is not a river in Pakistan, Kaskrin. I guess we are on two different sides of the river. Time will tell, time always tell.
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