Swaraj’s suggestion on Gita against secularism: NCP, SP

[Rajaraja Chola]

They are both hindu texts. Therefore should not be made.



It sure goes down that road.

You usually give others a sane reply. But I would be happy to accept a appropriate response from u against my post.
I stand by post for now unless u or others prove me wrong.

 

[Skull and Bones]

This is something that we can dish out till eternity, but you must be naïve to believe that muslims and Christians will 'voluntarily' accept or follow either of these texts.

No harm in taking them as folklore, just like we take Aesop's fables as a folklore.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

No harm in taking them as folklore, just like we take Aesop's fables as a folklore.

I can assure you, neither is BJP taking this as folklore, nor are they trying to present it as such. You are providing a coping mechanism for non hindus.

You usually give others a sane reply. But I would be happy to accept a appropriate response from u against my post.
I stand by post for now unless u or others prove me wrong.

As a hindu you can call it 'non-hindu' or neutral. But no muslim or Christian has said so. In fact they both consider it explicitly religious. It is the same as the Quran- I have come across several people who encouraged me to read it 'not as an Islamic' text. But to me and you it was always be Islamic. Long time ago one well meaning neighbor, a Palestinian, fixed a comp for me. When I started it up I saw a file with, well introduction to Quran in it. I know he was not that keen on 'converting' me and thought that he may be helping my soul or something, but then I never considered anything except Islamic. He thought it was just a good religious text, for 'all mankind'. I didn't offend him and didn't go through that either.

Similarly, whether Gita is a religious text or not cannot be an explanation on what the hindus feel like. Muslims definitely think it is hindu, so do christiaians. Most hindus accept it as a hindu scripture too- especially in non-urban areas.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

If it is the national scripture of India as you so emphatically state, where is the controversy? If there is controversy, where is the merit in your declaration that it is the national scripture? What kind of logic says that because it is part of culture and tradition of majority it should not be official? Is being part of mainstream culture a disqualification for official recognition in India nowadays?



What kind of logic you use when you say it is not Hindu scripture? Even Vedas are moral science if you get the gist of Vedas.

People are allergic to the word Hindu. Tell them any other word and you will find them nodding their head in unison. People of India, even people praying to Shiva or Vishnu etc - all is fine, but not the word Hindu.
And yes, Vedas are moral science too. They are of International significance as well. Certainly national - no doubt about it.

I can assure you, neither is BJP taking this as folklore, nor are they trying to present it as such. You are providing a coping mechanism for non hindus.



As a hindu you can call it 'non-hindu' or neutral. But no muslim or Christian has said so. In fact they both consider it explicitly religious. It is the same as the Quran- I have come across several people who encouraged me to read it 'not as an Islamic' text. But to me and you it was always be Islamic. Long time ago one well meaning neighbor, a Palestinian, fixed a comp for me. When I started it up I saw a file with, well introduction to Quran in it. I know he was not that keen on 'converting' me and thought that he may be helping my soul or something, but then I never considered anything except Islamic. He thought it was just a good religious text, for 'all mankind'. I didn't offend him and didn't go through that either.

Similarly, whether Gita is a religious text or not cannot be an explanation on what the hindus feel like. Muslims definitely think it is hindu, so do christiaians. Most hindus accept it as a hindu scripture too- especially in non-urban areas.

Awesome!
So if I follow 3 of the 10 commandments in my personal life, I am 30% Christian?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

People are allergic to the word Hindu. Tell them any other word and you will find them nodding their head in unison. People of India, even people praying to Shiva or Vishnu etc - all is fine, but not the word Hindu.
And yes, Vedas are moral science too. They are of International significance as well. Certainly national - no doubt about it.


Awesome!
So if I follow 3 of the 10 commandments in my personal life, I am 30% Christian?

??????

 

[Indrani]

People are allergic to the word Hindu. Tell them any other word and you will find them nodding their head in unison. People of India, even people praying to Shiva or Vishnu etc - all is fine, but not the word Hindu.
And yes, Vedas are moral science too. They are of International significance as well. Certainly national - no doubt about it.

We should not be pussyfooting about Hinduism or being Hindu. They will scream and shout as long as we show we care. We dont. We should not. They had their way enough until now. It is time we asserted ourselves.

 

[Skull and Bones]

I can assure you, neither is BJP taking this as folklore, nor are they trying to present it as such. You are providing a coping mechanism for non hindus.

BJP doesn't represent hinduism, if they claim they are, then they are being just plain bigot. Ideology of Hinduism is massive to accommodate every views, and to be represented by any single entity. I never needed any 'coping mechanism' to read Aesop's Fables.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

'Coping mechanism' That was a gem.

 

[Indrani]

BJP doesn't represent hinduism, if they claim they are, then they are being just plain bigot. Ideology of Hinduism is massive to accommodate every views, and to be represented by any single entity. I never needed any 'coping mechanism' to read Aesop's Fables.

Hmm, so we have atheists who have rejected Hinduism and now claim to be cow eaters unlike the abominable cow worshipers giving lectures on the greatness of Hinduism to a Hindutva party? Irony just checked itself into a mental asylum.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Hmm, so we have atheists who have rejected Hinduism and now claim to be cow eaters unlike the abominable cow worshipers who are going to give lectures on the greatness of Hinduism to a Hindutva party? Irony just checked itself into a mental asylum.

I am an atheist and a cow eater, and i do not relate myself to any faith. But i was born in a Hindu household, so can comment on the faith and culture practiced by my families. And i am not preaching the greatness of hinduism nor do i believe it is, but the assimilation of several ideas into a greater ideology of hinduism.

Still it's Pagan worshiping in a way, Atheism (and Satan worshiping)still trumps any religion for any matter.

 

[lightoftruth]

This statement of NCP,SP, Congress is on same lines of how our national song "vande matram" threatens secularism .

 

[Indrani]

I am an atheist and a cow eater, and i do not relate myself to any faith. But i was born in a Hindu household, so can comment on the faith and culture practiced by my families. And i am not preaching the greatness of hinduism nor do i believe it is, but the assimilation of several ideas into a greater ideology of hinduism.

Still it's Pagan worshiping in a way, Atheism (and Satan worshiping)still trumps any religion for any matter.

Apparently, your parents did a very poor job of raising you a Hindu, so doubt your knowledge about Hinduism is worth anything at all.

BJP certainly has more right to define what Hinduism is than you have. Did you consider this possibility?

We are pagans and proud of it, no doubt. Let us say practitioners of Hinduism could care a fig what opinion a Hindu hater carries about Hinduism.

 

[Indian_Devil]

So make Gita more available through other means, Never took my sanskrit classes seriously because it felt like it was being forced down my throat but had it would have been presented in a different way who knows things would have been different. Moreover Hockey is our National sports ... I don't know how many take it seriously just because its "national" this or that. If people have interest they will flock towards it if not then no matter how hard you try it won't be accepted

Interest comes from interaction, i.e. if I haven't seen t-20 cricket (and Cheerleaders offcourse ) I haven't generated interest out of nowhere. what if you already had a thought (prejudice) about how boring Sanskrit is and how it is forced down on your throat...
P.S. - No matter how much you adore Mini-skirt... you will have to brought sari waali only, because its "national" this and that

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I can assure you, neither is BJP taking this as folklore, nor are they trying to present it as such. You are providing a coping mechanism for non hindus.



As a hindu you can call it 'non-hindu' or neutral. But no muslim or Christian has said so. In fact they both consider it explicitly religious. It is the same as the Quran- I have come across several people who encouraged me to read it 'not as an Islamic' text. But to me and you it was always be Islamic. Long time ago one well meaning neighbor, a Palestinian, fixed a comp for me. When I started it up I saw a file with, well introduction to Quran in it. I know he was not that keen on 'converting' me and thought that he may be helping my soul or something, but then I never considered anything except Islamic. He thought it was just a good religious text, for 'all mankind'. I didn't offend him and didn't go through that either.

Similarly, whether Gita is a religious text or not cannot be an explanation on what the hindus feel like. Muslims definitely think it is hindu, so do christiaians. Most hindus accept it as a hindu scripture too- especially in non-urban areas.

I am not denying its a religious text. And I am not asking minorities to study. And if you had studied in Tamil Nadu, you would have studied poetry on Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Muslims and Christian poetry in Tamil language.

But declaring it as a National Scripture doesnt mean schools must forcefeed to kids. Its just a "status" that one literature written by Indians , within the boundaries of ancient India have been declared as a protective source. It means that we can take up the issue with other countries if they take action against like Banning Gita in Russia. Nothing more than that.
If Koran or Bible have been written in India, I would have asked them to be declared as National Scripture. I also support "Thirukkural" the world's most translated Indian literary work to be declared as one.

 

[Black Widow]

Gita is a national ancient scripture. There is no two ways about it. In fact Mahabharat is called an Indian epic.

Yes and I never understand since when it became "religious Book". Religious books are those book which talk about KarmKandas (Method of religious living)

Religious and Non religious Book
1. Vedas :- Non religious book. Its just book of knowledge.
2. Geeta:- Non religious book
3. Mahabharata and Ramayana : Non religious book, it is epic poem, (If some one believe in Rama then its Biopic/Biography)
4. Puranas :- Few puranas are religious book since they talk about the religious work u do.
5. Manusmriti: religious book
6. Koran: religious book as it talk about how to become Muslim
7. Bible: religious Book , since it talk about how a christian live.
8. Aryabhattium, and other Science books: non religious book...

Just like "All glitter not gold" , "All books written in sanskrit is not Religious Book"

I am not denying its a religious text. And I am not asking minorities to study. And if you had studied in Tamil Nadu, you would have studied poetry on Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Muslims and Christian poetry in Tamil language.

But declaring it as a National Scripture doesnt mean schools must forcefeed to kids. Its just a "status" that one literature written by Indians , within the boundaries of ancient India have been declared as a protective source. It means that we can take up the issue with other countries if they take action against like Banning Gita in Russia. Nothing more than that.
If Koran or Bible have been written in India, I would have asked them to be declared as National Scripture. I also support "Thirukkural" the world's most translated Indian literary work to be declared as one.

your very first statement is wrong.. "All book written in sanskrit is not religious book".. ppl like you will one say "Kamasutra is also religious Book"

Don't see Hinduism with Islam's/christianism's eye. Most of our books teach about Moral/Science/Philosophy/Economics/Medicine. Very few qualify as religious book in Hinduism.