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Surgical strike on Pak terrorists not first time

Offcourse we have to maintain our standards I just said the reason for calling them coward and highlighted the policy they should have followed which could have created a better image for our country and also reducing the machoism of paksitan army

Unfortunately, you see the wrong problem. The fact is that UPA was so into throwing money at all sort of give aways that it did serious damage to military preparedness. which is why when a Chidambaram or Digvijay Singh say something, you can only shake your head in frustration. Secondly, the response to 26/11 could not have been these kind of raids, they would have to be of an order higher & would have at the minimum required the taking out of terror camps & maybe even their leaders. Lastly MMS was not a leader who got there on his own steam & that difference is stark when you compare with Modi who got there inspite of an majority of his party ranged against him. Both the confidence, the understanding of imagery as well as strong notions of where the red lines are comes easier to Modi, they could never have come for MMS whose only act of courage was to threaten resignation on the nuke deal. Even someone like ABV could only muster as much as he did, not since IG (that too only her in the early 70's, later she was but a shell of her former self) have we seen an Indian leader like Modi. This is not a comment on the politics of the man, merely on his personality.
 
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: all Indians need Surgery of brain... Doctor should strike :cheesy::lol::lol:
 
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That would end your plausible deniability & we would do the opposite of what you did. It would allow us to escalate quickly & pound whatever positions we wanted, including from the air with all the international opprobrium falling on you. Doesn't matter whether you said the truth or not, we would have been given a chance to seriously escalate & you would be held responsible.
Don't fart here this is not bharat buk buk forum give us proof or keep your mouth shut , you will bomb us and we will keep watching your B-52 and f35 flying our heads...i remember the last time when your 2 jets were woopd over kargil
 
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Since strikes have been regular, why the hell they are demanding proof for this one?


On one had they say surgical strikes been done in past too, on the other hand they demand proof as if they don't trust army this time.:crazy:

That is the ex-chief of army staff saying there has been no surgical strikes in the past and if the army has not owned up for one, there has not been. As he said it is mere hearsay on part of Congress and other sikulars to show they too had punished Pakistan instead of just attending biryani parties.
 
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They cited one such attack on the Pakistani post across the Line of Control (LoC) 17 years ago, just six months after the Kargil wear, on January 22, 2000 in which 16 Pakistani soldiers were killed in the Chhamb sector.

They said the Pakistan Army too has been carrying out similar attacks on the Indian positions after cross the LoC. These trans-LoC attacks by both Armies stopped for a while after the November 2003 ceasefire,
Now the Indians are coming slowly from surgical strike to routine LOC activities.
 
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That is the ex-chief of army staff saying there has been no surgical strikes in the past and if the army has not owned up for one, there has not been. As he said it is mere hearsay on part of Congress and other sikulars to show they too had punished Pakistan instead of just attending biryani parties.
Yes was directed at Congis only.
 
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That would end your plausible deniability & we would do the opposite of what you did. It would allow us to escalate quickly & pound whatever positions we wanted, including from the air with all the international opprobrium falling on you. Doesn't matter whether you said the truth or not, we would have been given a chance to seriously escalate & you would be held responsible.
Oh so you think there would be no response to your escalation? Stop living in 1965 or 1971. you dont have that advantage anymore. even in 1965 we managed to hold ourselves against your might that was victory in itself. forget 1948 you lost that. we took AK. You would need to fight off much fierce enemy than you encountered previously. its not just PA you will have to face , Suicide bombers would lick their lips on thought of blowing themselves up on Filthy Indians. how would you tackle that? Super power of the world has fought them for 15 years , have not been able to get the results , what chance does your army have?
 
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http://www.freepressjournal.in/india/surgical-strike-on-pak-terrorists-not-first-time/945467

New Delhi :
Former Home Minister P Chidambaram has gone on record to assert that the much-hyped surgical strike for punitive action against the terrorists crossing the Line of Control last Wednesday night was not for the first time.

He says a similar “major strike took place in January 2013, when the UPA government was in power but it chose not to go public in keeping with its policy of strategic restraint.”

He says it would be premature to describe the strike as a “paradigm shift” in the country’s policy towards Pakistan as claimed by the government. “We need to evaluate over a period of time whether this leads to a decline in cross border terror and deters Pakistan, before passing any judgment,” Chidambaram asserted, adding that in any case the government will have to own up the consequences of its decision.

He, however, made it clear that the Congress is fully behind the Modi government on the issue nd will continue to support it in the matters related to nation’s security.

Meanwhile, the retired Army generals say the Indian Army has been carrying out attacks on the Pakistan Army and the terrorist camps consequent to Islamabad’s continuing proxy war in Jammu and Kashmir. They cited one such attack on the Pakistani post across the Line of Control (LoC) 17 years ago, just six months after the Kargil wear, on January 22, 2000 in which 16 Pakistani soldiers were killed in the Chhamb sector.

They said the Pakistan Army too has been carrying out similar attacks on the Indian positions after cross the LoC. These trans-LoC attacks by both Armies stopped for a while after the November 2003 ceasefire, but there have been occasions even after the ceasefire when the India conducted retaliatory attacks across LoC such as one in response to decapitation of two Indian soldiers by the Pakistan Army in January 2013.

The Indian Army reportedly beheaded some five to 10 Pakistani soldiers in retaliation. The retired Army officers say it is for the first time that the government has officially acknowledged what the Indian Army has been doing for many years now by going public on the shallow-distance strikes carried out in the wee hours of September 29.

The strikes directly against the terrorists and not against the Pakistan Army has made known India’s resolve and capability to cross the LoC to strike at the terrorists at will, they said.

Most of these retirees want the government to make it a policy to conduct the preemptive surgical strikes on Pakistani terror factories on a relentlessly continuous basis to truly make it expensive for the terrorists and its Pakistani patrons. They said prevention, rather than cure, is ideally the answer to the problem but this requires both human and electronic intelligence to obtain real time actionable information. They say the well-equipped Special Forces will have to be on permanent stand-by to work in conjunction with the intelligence agencies.
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That was after the beheading of one of our soldiers. The army chief of that time did say that they had avenged his death. So it was not exactly a secret but the govt chose to remain silent. The shift in policy is not the attack itself but the acknowledgement that it happened. Isn't it ironic that Pakistan is trying to prove that it did not happen instead of accusing India of aggression which is what they usually do?

A classmate of mine is serving in Army as major for Naga troops... he told me that beheading solders on both sides of LOC is going own for a long time... its just that now it is reported in the media.. he also told how Naga will kill and cook pakistani solders and eat them only as recently in 2004 they are forced to stop doing it... its very difficult to mange these Naga solders..
 
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Oh so you think there would be no response to your escalation? Stop living in 1965 or 1971. you dont have that advantage anymore. even in 1965 we managed to hold ourselves against your might that was victory in itself. forget 1948 you lost that. we took AK. You would need to fight off much fierce enemy than you encountered previously. its not just PA you will have to face , Suicide bombers would lick their lips on thought of blowing themselves up on Filthy Indians. how would you tackle that? Super power of the world has fought them for 15 years , have not been able to get the results , what chance does your army have?

I think you haven't got the point I as making, kindly read it in context to the post I was replying to. I was speaking of possible Indian reaction to an escalation from Pakistan and in any case, I was referring to damaging border infrastructure not discussing a wider war.
 
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A classmate of mine is serving in Army as major for Naga troops... he told me that beheading solders on both sides of LOC is going own for a long time... its just that now it is reported in the media.. he also told how Naga will kill and cook pakistani solders and eat them only as recently in 2004 they are forced to stop doing it... its very difficult to mange these Naga solders..
Oh man that is frightening..did they really use to kill and eat pakistani soldiers?
 
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@jaunty @ito

Right now in NDTV, the ex-DGMO of that time Mr.Bhatia is refuting the surgical strike in 2013-14. He said the revenge was taken of the beheading, but it was done at the local level. It cannot be called a surgical strike.
 
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Operations In 2013 And 2014 Not Surgical Strikes: Then DGMO Counters Congress

Director General of Military Operations from 2012 to 2014, Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia has countered the Congress's claims of cross-border strikes during his tenure. He said the surgical strikes now and the operations then "can't be compared". "Earlier strikes, they were not even strikes, they were cross-border operations done at the local level," he said.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/news/the-...ters-congress-433878?pfrom=home-lateststories
 
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