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S-300 cannot detect any staelth fighter jets so how can S-300 destoy them only S-400 has the capability to detect and destroy stelth fighter jets
S-300 we can get from ukraine becoz ukraine also need customers but we need better air defence system which is available becoz we lack in numbers and from IAF

Super Falcon;SIR
I THINK you cant understand , what i meant!:tsk:
if you connect S-300 with AWACS in the air, it can do the job perfectly!
yes S-300 radar system isnt the one that , can stand against 5 th gen. 'staelth fighter ", but linned up with AWACS in the air, certenly going to be very, very effective!:tup:
do you understand the meaning of AWACS?:angry:


Erieye radar


SAAB-340 ErieyeThe Erieye radar system, is an Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEW&C) developed by Saab Microwave Systems (formerly Ericsson Microwave Systems) of Sweden. It is based on the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA). The Erieye is used on a variety of aircraft platforms, such as the Brazilian Embraer R-99 or EMB-145. It has recently been implemented on the Saab 2000 aircraft.

The Erieye Ground Interface Segment (EGIS; not to be confused with the Aegis combat system) is a major component of the software used by the Erieye system.

The radar provides 360 degree coverage and has an instrumental range of 450km and detection range of 350 km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment — in heavy radar clutter and at low target altitudes. In addition to this, the radar is also capable of identifying friends or foes, and has a sea surveillance mode.

The Erieye system has full interoperability with NATO air defence command and control systems.
Sweden has loaned two of these systems to Greece, while they are still owned by the Swedish Air Force. SAAB signed an 8 billion krona provisional contract to supply 6 of these systems to Pakistan, which was finalized in June 2006.

KJ-2000 Airborne Warning & Control System



Key Information

Type: Airborne early warning and control
PLA Designation: KongJing-2000
Contractors: Beriev, Antonov, Xi'an Aircraft Corporation (XAC), Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (14 Institute)
Maiden Flight: November 2003
IOC: 2006~07
Service Status: PLA Air Force (4 examples)
Summary


The KJ-2000 was a direct result of the failed A-50I Phalcon Programme. China started a three-way talk with Israel and Russia in 1994 for a possible purchase of advanced AWACS aircraft. Under the proposal, Russia would provide four Beriev A-50 Mainstay airframes, which were to be fitted with the Phalcon airborne early warning (AEW) radar and other C3I system developed by Israeli Aircraft Industries Ltd (IAI). In May 1997, China, Israel, and Russia reached an agreement to supply one such AWACS aircraft under the designation A-50I for $250 million, with the option of three more for a total cost of $1 billion. In October 1999, Russia delivered the first A-50 aircraft to Israel for the installation of the Phalcon AEW radar system.

By May 2000, Israel had nearly completed the system installation. However, the Phalcon deal became an increasingly controversial issue between the United States and Israel. In 2000, the Clinton Administration voiced stronger objections to the sale and urged Israel to cancel the sale of the Phalcon, saying it is a system comparable to the U.S. AWACS and could collect intelligence and guide aircraft from 250 miles away. After some intensive talks, the Israeli government finally cancelled the deal with China in July 2000.

The fallout of the Phalcon deal was a major blow for China’s military modernisation programme. China reacted to the setback by starting a domestic programme to develop its own airborne early warning radar and relevant C3I systems. The Israeli-made Phalcon radar and other onboard electronic systems were retrieved from the unfinished A-50I, and the airframe was handed to China via Russia in 2002. Modifications on the airframe began in late 2002 to install the Chinese-made airborne radar system at XAC. A total of four planes were produced, with one based on the A-50I airframe (which can be identified by its nose-mounted aerial refuelling probe), and other three being converted using existing IL-76MD transports in service with the PLAAF. The conversation work was carried out by the XAC.


Design

The KJ-2000 has five flight crew and possibly 10~15 mission crew. The aircraft carries out patrol missions at an altitude of 5,000~10,000m. The maximum flight range of the aircraft is 5,000km and the flight endurance is 7 hours 40 minutes. At a range of 2,000km, the aircraft can remain on patrol for up to 1 hour 25 minutes.

The A-50 airframe, developed and manufactured by the Beriev Aircraft Research and Engineering Complex Joint Stock Company based at Taganrog in the Rostov Region of Russia, was derived from the Ilyushin IL-76 jet transport aircraft, distinguished by the large, non-rotate radome containing the phased-array radar antenna; the solid nose replacing the original ‘glass-in’ nose, and a large number of electronic system antennas on the front section of the fuselage.

Radar

The primary radar system housed in the radome is an three-sided electronically steered phased-array (ESA) developed by Nanjing-based 14 institute. Unlike the Russian A-50 or U.S. E-3, which rotate their rotodomes to give a 360 degree coverage, the KJ-2000's radar antenna does not rotate. Instead, three ESA antenna modules are placed in a triangular configuration inside the round radome to provide a 360 degree coverage.

The Chinese-made radar system could be similar in design to the IAI Phalcon, but may not be as capable as the latter. The Phalcon system could track up to 60~100 targets at the same time and guide a dozen fighters in all-weather, day and night operations.

Y-8 Rotodome Airborne Early Warning Aircraft

Following the introduction of the KJ-2000 AWACS and KJ-200 (Y-8 'Balance Beam’) AEW aircraft in 2001/02, a third Chinese AEW aircraft programme was revealed in 2005. Based on the Shaanxi Y-8F-400 airframe, the aircraft features a conventional rotodome mounted above the fuselage. Internet source photos showed that an example has been built, carrying serial number T0518. The exact status of the programme is unknown, but some sources suggested that the aircraft may have been aiming the export market.



Airborne electronic systems has been a focus of the PLA’s extensive military modernisation since the 1990s. In particular, AEW capability has been seen by the military as vital to obtain air superiority over the Taiwan Strait. The fact that the PLAAF is testing AEW/AWACS designs with different radar arrangements (rotodome, fixed dish radome phased array radar, and ‘balance beam’-style electronically scanned array radar) reflects its serious intention to develop a modernised AEW&C capability.

The Y-8F-400 was developed by Shaanxi in Aircraft Industry Corporation in 2001. The aircraft features a solid nose which replaced the Y-8’s original ‘glass-in’ nose design, and a three-man flight crew. All windows on the fuselage were removed. A pair of vertical stabilisers are fitted on the tips of the tail-plane to enhance directional stability.

Little is known about the performance of the radar system fitted on the new Y-8 AEW. It was estimated that the aircraft may be comparable to the U.S. E-2C Hawkeye in terms of performance and capabilities.

Y-8 EW/ELINT
"Gaoxin Project" - Y-8 Electronic Warfare Aircraft

Shaanxi Aircraft Industry (Group) Co. has been developing a range of special purposes aircraft based on its Y-8 turboprop transport platform since the late 1990s. The development programme, known as “Gaoxin Project” (Gaoxin = “High & New”), consists of at least seven variants for airborne early warning and control (AEW&C), electronic warfare (EW), electronic intelligence (ELINT), and communication relay roles. The main contractor of the electronic systems onboard these aircraft is the China Electronic Technology Group Corporation (CETC).
The “Gaoxin 1” project is an electronic warfare (EW) and electronic intelligence (ELINT) aircraft based on the Y-8C airframe. The aircraft features a large canoe-shape radome under the forward fuselage, possibly housing a phased array radar or ECM antenna. The aircraft retained the glass-in nose of the Y-8C, but had the rear loading ramp removed and replaced by an array of electronic equipment antennas. More antennas can be found under the fuselage between the main landing gears. At least two examples (“21011” and “21013”) have been identified in service with the Nanjing Military Region Air Force (MRAF).

Y-8 SIGINT ("Gaoxin 2")

The “Gaoxin 2” project is a signals intelligence (SIGINT) aircraft based on the Y-8C platform, equipped with an extensive array of sophisticated equipment to monitor enemy electronic activities. The aircraft features a large under-chin radome and a large semi-spherical radome on top of the fuselage before the vertical tailfin, both of which could be used to house electronic equipment antennas. The aircraft also has a number of smaller radomes and electronic antennas attached to its fuselage.

The PLA Naval Aviation Corps currently deploys a small number of the aircraft. The first example carrying serial number ‘9351’ was first spotted in operational service with the PLA Naval Aviation 1st Independent Regiment from its base in Laiyang Naval Air Station, Shangdong Province in Summer 2004. A second example was later identified serving with another naval aviation independent regiment at an unknown location. The aircraft has also been spotted flying near the Japanese coast since 2006.



NOW dear Super Falcon;SIR, here are some of systems, which can be obtained easily , or already in pakistans hands, so dear if we can conect S-300, OR HQ-9, HQ-12, HQ-10, with these following systems ,surly we can reach to the ablity to detect in-comming enemy '"staelth fighter", & it will be 80% chances that , we can take it down .

i hope you will going to understand the logic , that how to connect them with , SAMZ!:wave:
 
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thanx for big article can your these awacs can detect stealth fighter jets
 
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well i am still wondering what SAM is pakistan purchasing or currently has for high altitiude targets....all i know is we have anza cortale,stinger for low flying targets....
 
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An S-300-V surface-to-air missile (SAM) system.
 
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well i am still wondering what SAM is pakistan purchasing or currently has for high altitiude targets....all i know is we have anza cortale,stinger for low flying targets....

i guss, as being told in MILITRY AVIATION, section !
HQ-12 (KS-1) Surface-to-Air Missile System would be in linned for the comming future, its a great choice & could be the best.


HQ-12 (KS-1) Surface-to-Air Missile System

The KS-1 (Kaishan-1) is a medium- to long-range, all-altitude surface-to-air missile (SAM) system developed by China Jiangnan Space Industry Co. (also known as Base 061). The KS-1 development programme began in the early 1980s to replace the ageing HQ-2 (Chinese copy of the Russian SA-2 Guideline). The first test firing of the KS-1 reportedly took place in 1989 and the missile was first revealed to the public at the 1991 Paris Air Show. The development of the KS-1 was completed in 1994, but the missile failed to attract any customer from either domestic or international market
The improved KS-1A was introduced in the late 1990s. The KS-1A features a truck-mounted mobile launcher replacing the original fixed launcher, and a new target acquisition/tracking radar. The missile has been marketed by China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) to foreign customers since 2001. In 2005, a senior officer of Malaysia's armed forces said that Malaysia had in principle agreed to purchase the KS-1A missile from China. Both parties have signed a memorandum of understanding beforehand and such purchase will be listed into Malaysia's ninth development plan.

The PLA has been testing the KS-1 since the mid-1990s. However, the repeated delay in the commissioning of the missile indicated that the PLA was not entirely satisfied with the missile’s performance. During the exhibition at the Chinese Revolution Military Museum in July/August 2007 to mark the 80th anniversary of the PLA, a KS-1A missile launch vehicle and a guidance station were displayed to the public. During the same exhibition, a photo confirmed that the military designation of the KS-1 is HQ-12. This may suggest that the missile is now in operational service with the PLA.
Based on the second- (upper-) stage of the HQ-2, the single-chamber dual thrust, solid-fuelled missile, weighing 886kg, can engage targets flying as low as 0.5km and as high as 25km, has a slant range of 7km to 42km (KS-1A 50km) and a maximum speed of 1,200m/s. The radio-command KS-1 was designed primarily to engage aircraft and helicopters, but also has limited capability against air-to-surface missiles and other air-launched precision guidance weapons
. A typical battery would consist of one radar and guidance station and four launchers with eight missiles ready to fire and 18 in reserve.

The basic variant of the KS-1 was launched from a fixed four-leg pedestal launcher developed from the HQ-2 launcher. Each launcher has two ready-to-fire missiles mounted on slant launch-rails. The improved KS-1A is launched from a mobile launcher mounted on a 6X6 truck, each carrying two missiles mounted on slant launch-rails. In the latest improved variant the two missiles are carried and launched from two box-launchers, allowing better protection and easier maintenance.

A range of guidance stations have been developed for the KS-1 missile system. The basic variant KS-1 uses a SJ-202 (some reports suggested that it was actually SJ-212) 3D phased-array target acquisition/tracking and missile guidance station with multi-tracking and multi-engagement capabilities. The control station and the phased-array radar are mounted on a six-wheel trailer. The SJ-202 is the first Chinese indigenous 3D phased array radar, featuring a search range of 115km, a tracing range of 80km and a guiding range of 50km. The radar is possibly working at G-band, being able to guide six missiles to attack three to six targets. It is also said to have an impressive anti-jamming capability. This radar could also be integrated with the older HQ-2 SAM.
An alternative guidance station is the H-200, which also features phased-array target/acquisition and tracking radar capable of guiding six missiles to attack three targets. The station is mounted on a larger 8-wheel trailer. The same guidance was also displayed during the 2007 PLA exhibition.

An Internet source photo revealed a third option, consisting of a phased-array radar and a separate guidance station, both of which are mounted on 6X6 trucks.

Specifications

Missile dimensions: length 5.6m; Diameter 0.4m; Wingspan 1.2m
Launch weight: 900kg
Propulsion: Solid rocket booster
Operating altitude: 0.5~25Km
Operating range: 7~42km, or(KS-1A) 5~50km
Maximum speed: 1,200m/s
Missile manoeuvrability: 20G
Guidance: Radar command
Warhead: 100kg HE fragmentation, with radio frequency proximity fuse
Single shot hit probability: N/A
Max target manoeuvring capability: 4~5G
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Well so much about the S-300P why don't I share my own collection with you & perhaps another anti-ballistic system has been inaugurated by Russians as a countermeasure for European Anti-Ballistic shield.
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Pakistan should get these tactical weapons for defensive measures!!
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i hope our army chief considering it

surely sir, this ios what all of us want to happen and more importantly happen soon enought, not at a time when the russian are producing something like S500,S600 or S700 and we are buying the old S300 Chines copy or something!

the missile seems to be good enough with an operational altitude of 10 to 27000 meters and a good range of upto 150 km in various variants!!

it is able to engage fast moving target upto 2.8 mach this means it is good for alm,ost every thing our enemy posses!!

i hope we get them soon from China:pakistan::china:
 
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another point in favour of S300 and not going for the S400 is the time issue. for S400 we will have to wait for long time as it is still a new system, it will take time for the chimes to develop its copy and then more time to drive a variant according to our spec and then producing it for pakistan, in short it will take years!!

contrary to thhis the S300 is fully operational system with many variants in the market so we just have to chose one according to our requirment and then the production will start nad we may get the system in about an year or two!!

what do you suggest??
 
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another point in favour of S300 and not going for the S400 is the time issue. for S400 we will have to wait for long time as it is still a new system, it will take time for the chimes to develop its copy and then more time to drive a variant according to our spec and then producing it for pakistan, in short it will take years!!

Why are you people so dependent on china to develop copies for you people.:lol::lol:
China is being viewed by you as someone who can copy anything for you.They do have their own limitations.:rolleyes:
 
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Why are you people so dependent on china to develop copies for you people.:lol::lol:
China is being viewed by you as someone who can copy anything for you.They do have their own limitations.:rolleyes:


the chines have already been developed and are producing the chines variant of the S300! some of its variants are said to be even better than the russian S300!!

you may have a look at the facts first and than engage in discussion!!

never-the-less the main source is same, china and Indain both get there EVERYTHING for russia! perhaps the chines self developed item are far superior than the indain projects, they are nothing like the LCA!!!
 
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The Aspide 2000 missile has set yet another exceptional record in its long career. During an air defence exercise that took place at the end of January 2009, the Amoun battery of Kuwaits Air Defence Brigade carried out five Aspide 2000 missile launches against a series of air targets simulating different types of attack scenarios. All of the launches were successful and all five targets were destroyed, either by direct impact or as a result of the warhead exploding within a miss distance of well below one meter. The launches were performed in different weather conditions (day and night) and showed once again the absolute reliability of MBDAs Aspide 2000 missile.

As a result of this exercise, the Aspide 2000 was able to establish an absolute record in terms of percentage launch success, establishing a success rate exceeding 97% from over 600 missiles launched around the world. With over 5,000 missiles having already been produced, Aspide is now experiencing a new dawn in its latest 2000 version.

Ing. Fabrizio Giulianini, MBDAs Executive Group Sales and Business Development Director and MBDA Italy Managing Director, said This latest achievement of the Aspide 2000 missile has confirmed its operating effectiveness and its design strength which has allowed us to renovate the system without any issues of note. Furthermore, this success also confirms that good system and technological choices were made from the very beginning. This exceptional result will give further impetus to the export activities involving this missile, which, as well as being deployed on the Skyguard/Amoun system, is also used on many other systems such as Skyguard El, the naval Albatros variant and the Spada AMI. Aspide 2000, the latest version of the Aspide missile, as well as being deployed in the Skyguard Amoun, is also used in the Spada 2000 Plus system.
The Spada 2000 Plus system is a ground based air defence missile system designed to protect vital assets from different types of threat such as fighter and bomber aircraft, cruise missiles, helicopters and UAVs.

The Spada 2000 Plus is characterized by a high degree of modularity and flexibility, based on ISO standard modules. Each system section comprises a Detection Center and up to four Firing Sections, each one comprising a Fire Control Center and two Missile Launchers each equipped with six missiles. The Spada 2000 Plus system is also capable of integrating V-SHORAD weapon systems and can operate autonomously or can be integrated within a higher level defence network or architecture.
 
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Surviving the Modern Integrated Air Defence System

Air Power Australia Analysis 2009-02
3rd February 2009

by Dr Carlo Kopp, SMAIAA, MIEEE, PEng

Abstract

The United States and its Allies have relied since the end of the Cold War upon the ability to quickly overwhelm an opposing IADS, and the ability to then deliver massed precision firepower from the air, as the weapon of choice in resolving nation state conflicts.

The reality of evolving IADS technology and its global proliferation is that most of the US Air Force combat aircraft fleet, and all of the US Navy combat aircraft fleet, will be largely impotent against an IADS constructed from the technology available today from Russian and, increasingly so, Chinese manufacturers.

If flown against such an IADS, US legacy fighters from the F-15 through to the current production F/A-18E/F would suffer prohibitive combat losses attempting to penetrate, suppress or destroy such an IADS.

The IADS technology in question is currently being deployed by China, Iran, Venezuela, and other nations, most of which have poor relationships with the Western alliance.

Until the US Air Force deploys significant numbers of the intended New Generation Bomber post 2020, only aircraft types in the US arsenal will be capable of penetrating, suppressing and destroying such an IADS – the B-2A Spirit and the F-22A Raptor.

There are only twenty B-2As in existence and retooling to manufacture a B-2C is an expensive approach given the commitment to the New Generation Bomber.

The United States therefore has only one remaining strategic choice at this time. That strategic choice is to manufacture a sufficient number of F-22A Raptors to provide a credible capability to conduct a substantial air campaign using only the B-2A and F-22A fleets.

The expectation that the US can get by with a small “golden bullet” fleet of stealth aircraft to carve holes in IADS to permit legacy aircraft to attack is no longer credible. The difficulty in locating and killing the new generation of self propelled and highly survivable IADS radars and launchers presents the prospect of a replay of the 1999 OAF campaign, with highly lethal SAM systems waiting in ambush, and mostly evading SEAD/DEAD attacks.

The F-22A Raptor will therefore have to perform the full spectrum of penetrating roles, starting with counter-air, and encompassing SEAD/DEAD, penetrating ISR and precision strike against strategic and tactical targets. The B-2A fleet can robustly bolster capabilities, but the small number of these superb aircraft available will result inevitably in very selective use.

If we assume an aircraft configuration reflecting the planned F-22A Block 40 configuration, and a contingency of similar magnitude to Desert Storm in 1991, then the required number of F-22A aircraft to cover the spectrum of penetrating roles is of the order of 500 to 600 aircraft in total.

The United States no longer has any real choices in this matter, if it wishes to retain its secure global strategic position in the 2010 – 2020 time window. Any other force structure model will result in a nett loss of strategic potential, and produce strategic risks, which neither the US nor its Allies can afford.

Please continue here: Surviving the Modern IADS
 
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