Sultanate of Sulu demand the return of Sabah from Malaysia?

[nufix]

Talking is expensive and time consuming.

must deal with them like how the israelis deal with terrorists.
shoot first and then talk abt repatriating the bodies, problem solved

In the world, strenght wins, not talking

If Malaysia is a unitary country, then Malaysia has the green light to consider such movement as a rebellion and can be dealt with guns.

Since Malaysia is a federation, which means there should be an agreement or some sort of pact that merge the Kingdoms into a much bigger Kingdom in the first place, when one of the states demands separation, it can't be simply considered as rebellion. Not to mention that the actual problem is not just about some gunmen terrorizing Sabah but also a claim from a descendant of Sulu sultanate whose lands were taken without his family's full blessing. If you follow the history of North Borneo dispute, you will find it will be very difficult to be dealt with the idea of shoot first then talk.

 

[nufix]

nonsense,

malaysia is a composed on many states, but the center (KL) deals with such terror matters.
the federal police and army is at the spot, pls read up before you reply

The flipinos have had a 'dormant claim' for years but they dont have the weapons or chutzpah to do something abt it, sort of like how the arabs cant do squat abt israel.

if you take something and intend to keep it, dont debate after the act, dont fumble abt.
just shoot them so they dont come back, simple problem solved

I have told you that the actual problem, the bigger picture of the problem, is not only about hundreds of gunmen terrorizing Sabah. Did you read my statement entirely?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Borneo_dispute
There, learn one two things from there, than we can go on. Focus on sections where Sulu sultanates put its claim on historical basis.

Philippines is the other problem, I am not going to drag Phil into this.

The thing is, things in this world don't run as simple as you think.

 

[nufix]

The gunmen are not terrorizing, they are in the kampungs and the residents have been evacuated, the area is surrounded by the army and police.

This is a claim from an extinct sultanate over territory it lost years ago.

A country (philipines) too weak to enforce its claim, and an indecisive malaysia.
What is so complicated abt this?

Just shoot the encroachers and be done with.

Yes yes, in the meantime, you just made a contradictory among your own statements. If you said that those gunmen are not "terrorizing" then why shoot them first? See, you just twisted your own point of view.

Whoa whoa, hold on, the sultanate is still having a legitimate claimant, List of sultans of Sulu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The heck are you talking about extinction?

Again, our discussion point didn't mention about how weak or how strong a claimant is. So stick to the points.

 

[nufix]

Either you are dumb or stupid, Its hard to decide mate.

The sultanate is extinct and exists only in name, the sultan and his cronies are idiots, indon is a repablik pak.

these gunmen have invaded a malaysian territory, just shoot these terrorists and be done with.

Ah .. another false flager tries to derail the topic into a keyboard war, I will not answer to that.

Nah, read the whole article in the first page, you will find that Sulu never relinquished its lands. In the other hand, the royal family of Sulu was not fully involved during the voting held by British and the U.N. So seeing from the royal's point of view, shouldn't the words of "invaded" be titled to the sultan of Sulu whose lands were taken and he is simply trying to get his lands back?

Why so suddenly you turn your own statement and saying those gunmen are terrorist? you said they were not terrorizing right? so how come?

Anyway, I do hope, Malaysia and the Sulu royal family settle this thing out before another bloodbath happen.

 

[Nan Yang]

Philippines so weak. They are losing their islands and territories to everybody.

 

[Zarvan]

A standoff between the Malaysian army and a Filipino armed group that claims a part of Malaysia is moving into its second week.

The group of 100 armed men refuses to move from a village in Malaysia's eastern state of Sabah that they have occupied, despite pleas from both the Malaysian and Philippine governments to return to the Sulu archipelago on the Philippine side of the sea border.

On Wednesday, Jamalul Kiram III, a former sultan of Sulu and brother of the man Philippine provincial authorities regard as sultan, rejected a historic peace deal between the Philippines and Muslim rebels and said he would not ask his men to pull out from Sabah.

Security analysts had warned that the peace deal signed by the Philippine government and Muslim rebels last October to end 40 years of conflict in the Philippine south risked stirring instability by alienating powerful clan leaders.

'Sultanate ignored'

Jamalul said the peace deal had handed control of much of Sulu to Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) rebels, ignoring the sultanate.

"I cannot understand what our government is doing. I cannot understand why, instead of siding with us because we are Filipinos, they are siding with the Malaysians," he said.



Jamalul said the group of sultan loyalists had gone to Malaysia as a protest action in response to what they saw as the unfair peace deal, and they would not back down, despite growing shortages in food and water from the week-long standoff.

"We will not budge, we will not leave. If we die, then we die," he said.

Malaysian police armed with machine guns have surrounded the village in a palm-oil plantation area.

Malaysian officials said over the weekend that the group's demands would not be met and that the men would be deported soon, without specifying how.

Jamalul said his followers were demanding recognition from Malaysia as the rightful owners of Sabah and renegotiation of the original terms of the lease with a British trading company.

In an arrangement that stretches back to British colonial times, Malaysia pays a token amount to the Sulu sultanate each year for the "rental" of Sabah.

Jamalul said the Sulu royal family had asked to take part in the peace negotiations because the old sultanate's territories would be part of a new autonomous Muslim area, but they were rebuffed by the Philippine government.

He said their group was open to negotiations with Malaysia to settle the standoff quickly.
Sultan loyalists keep up Borneo standoff - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

That is one of the reasons Malaysia should have really strong Armed Forces specially the Air Force

 

[p3avi8tor69]

Sabah belong to Malaysia period. The Philippine claims are ludicrous. Besides who on earth would want to be ruled by the Philippine government. Just look at southern Philippines, a complete and utter disaster. Sabah people are happy to be Malaysians. There is peace and prosperity in Sabah whereas there is only violence, corruption, disorganization and poverty in southern Philippines and to a certain extent the entire country.

 

[nufix]

Sabah belong to Malaysia period. The Philippine claims are ludicrous. Besides who on earth would want to be ruled by the Philippine government. Just look at southern Philippines, a complete and utter disaster. Sabah people are happy to be Malaysians. There is peace and prosperity in Sabah whereas there is only violence, corruption, disorganization and poverty in southern Philippines and to a certain extent the entire country.

The current situation is not about phil's claim over Sabah, it is actually the Sultan of Sulu wants to regain his lands back.

 

[Viet]

Does Sultanate of Sulu exist today?

Wiki says the Sultanate was established in 1457 and annexed by USA in 1917. The former territory now lies in Indonesia, Phlippines and Malaysia.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Does Sultanate of Sulu exist today?

Wiki says the Sultanate was established in 1457 and annexed by USA in 1917. The former territory now lies in Indonesia, Phlippines and Malaysia.

The Sultanate of Sulu is the Philippines, the country uses them as a proxy to reclaim Sabah under the name of the "Sultan."

 

[p3avi8tor69]

The current situation is not about phil's claim over Sabah, it is actually the Sultan of Sulu wants to regain his lands back.

The so called sultanate is a farce. No one's heard of them. Not even Filipinos themselves.

 

[Viet]

The Sultanate of Sulu is the Philippines, the country uses them as a proxy to reclaim Sabah under the name of the "Sultan."

So Philippines wants part of Malaysia and Indonesia?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

So Philippines wants part of Malaysia and Indonesia?

Just Sabah

 

[Bob Ong]

Malaysia’s claim of sovereignty on Sabah is “invalid” ab initio or from the very beginning, based on “bad faith” as the British who leased Sabah, altered the lease contract, without the “consent” of the Sultan of Sulu or his heirs. The fact that Malaysia is paying an annual rent is an acknowledgment that the heirs of Sultan Kiram are the owners of Sabah. Philippine government should reinforce and help the beleaguered and surrounded Filipinos in Sabah. Sultan of Sulu had made its move together with its brave armies perhaps the MNLF and MILF should also do its share to start re-claiming Sabah. If Aquino administration forsakes them then it should be ready to face the ire of all the Muslim Filipinos.

 

[nufix]

The so called sultanate is a farce. No one's heard of them. Not even Filipinos themselves.

Wrong, that Sultanate has been ruling north borneo for hundreds of year, even the British paid several thousand dollars to rent its land.

Wrong again, the Philippines government did recognize their existences and their legitimacy.