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Malaysia, Philippines join India in protesting China's new map staking claims over disputed territories

AIM-260 is only 200 KM while PL-21 is 300 KM.

Guess the range, and this is AIM-120 variant.

AIM-260 is classified to large extent.

PL-21 is designed to engage big aircraft like AEW and tankers from a distance. This is a big missile.

PL-15 can be effective against a fighter jet size target up to 180 KM. PL-15E sold to Pakistan up to 145 KM. Now the point is what type of target it is because some will be too difficult to engage beyond 80 KM. And jets like F-35 won't be visible beyond 30KM mark. Range is helpful but there are so many variables.

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American R&D sector continues to impress. But US will want to downplay its capabilities for public consumption. US last fought a significant conventional power in 1991, and surprise and deception was a part of the strategy.
 
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SINGAPORE: Malaysia and the Philippines are following India’s move in protesting against China for its newly published map staking claims over disputed territories while Indonesia says that the drawing of territorial lines must be in accordance with international laws.

China’s Ministry of Natural Resources on Monday (Aug 28) issued the "China Standard Map Edition 2023", which lays claims over large swathes of the South China Sea also disputed by Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Brunei, as well as several land areas in India and Russia.

It features a “10-dash” line - with an additional dash to the east of Taiwan - a break from the usual nine-dash line Beijing has been using in recent years to stake its claims over the South China Sea.

The map's release comes just ahead of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) grouping's summit in Indonesia from Sep 5 to 7 and the Group of 20 (G20) Summit from Sep 9 to 10 in India, where Chinese leaders are expected to attend.

MALAYSIA TO SEND PROTEST NOTE TO CHINA​

Malaysia’s Foreign Minister Zambry Abdul Kadir on Thursday (Aug 31) said that the country will send a protest note to China following its claim on the South China Sea as outlined in the new map, The Star reported.

This comes after his ministry had earlier said that it does not recognise China's claims in the South China Sea, adding that the map holds no binding authority over Malaysia which marks its Independence Day - or Hari Merdeka - on Thursday.

Speaking on the sidelines of a Hari Merdeka event, Mr Zambry said that Malaysia’s next course of action following the ministry’s statement was to send a protest note to China.

“That is the practice,” he was quoted as saying by The Star.

Malaysia’s foreign ministry on Wednesday had said that the map had among other things, displayed China's unilateral maritime claims that encroach upon the country's maritime areas in Sabah and Sarawak.

Bernama reported that the ministry stressed that Malaysia consistently rejects any foreign party's claims to sovereignty, sovereign rights, and jurisdiction over maritime features or maritime areas based on the 1979 Malaysia New Map.

“Malaysia also views the South China Sea issue as a complex and sensitive matter,” it reportedly said.

It also underscored the need for the issue to be managed peacefully and rationally through dialogue and negotiations based on provisions of international law, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS 1982).

"Malaysia remains committed to cooperating to ensure all parties implement the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea comprehensively and effectively,” said Malaysia’s foreign ministry.

"Malaysia is also committed to the effective and substantive negotiations on the Code of Conduct (COC) in the South China Sea, with the goal of finalising the COC as soon as possible.”

OTHER COUNTRIES WEIGHING IN​

Separately, the Philippines has filed a protest against China over its new map with overlapping claims over the South China Sea, a crucial waterway vital to international shipping lanes and an area of increasing contestation between China and the US.

"This latest attempt to legitimise China’s purported sovereignty and jurisdiction over Philippine features and maritime zones has no basis under international law, particularly the UNCLOS 1982,” it said in a statement as reported by Bloomberg.

Also weighing in was Indonesia's foreign minister Retno Marsudi, who said on Thursday that any drawing of territorial lines must be in accordance with UNCLOS 1982.

“Any line drawing, any claim made must be in accordance with UNCLOS 1982,” was quoted as saying by Antara after a meeting at Indonesia’s Parliament complex.

She added that Indonesia’s position on the issue has been consistent.

“Indonesia’s position is not a new position, but a position that has always been conveyed consistently,” said Mdm Marsudi.

Indonesia is not a claimant state of the South China Sea, but its Natuna islet cluster within its 200-nautical-mile EEZ is also claimed by Beijing within its nine-dash line over the South China Sea.

INDIA’S STRONG PROTEST

Indian authorities had on Tuesday issued a “strong protest” to China, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).

China’s new map reportedly claims ownership over land that New Delhi says is theirs, including territory close to where the neighbours battled in 2020.

“We have today lodged a strong protest through diplomatic channels with the Chinese side on the so-called 2023 ‘standard map’ of China that lays claim to India’s territory,” India’s foreign ministry spokesman Arindam Bagchi reportedly said in a statement.

“We reject these claims as they have no basis. Such steps by the Chinese side only complicate the resolution of the boundary question.”

India has been wary of its northern neighbour’s growing military assertiveness and their 3,500km shared frontier has been a perennial source of tension.

According to AFP, New Delhi said that two areas on the map released on Beijing’s state-owned Global Times newspaper belong to India.

One was India’s northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, which China considers to be part of Tibet, and where the Asian giants fought a full-scale border war in 1962.

The second was the Kashmiri region of Aksai Chin, a high-altitude strategic corridor linking Tibet to western China.

Following this, China doubled down on its new map, which it called a routine exercise, and asked India to refrain from "over-interpreting" the move.

According to the Times of India, when asked about India's protest, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said: "On Aug 28, the ministry of natural resources of China released the 2023 edition of the standard map.

“It is a routine practice in China's exercise of sovereignty in accordance with the law. We hope relevant sides can stay objective and calm, and refrain from over-interpreting the issue."

On Thursday, China’s foreign ministry reiterated that it hopes that “relevant parties” can see its new standard map in an “objective and rational way”.

Reuters reported that foreign ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin made the remarks at a press briefing when asked to comment on reports of some countries, including the Philippines, India and Malaysia, protesting the new map.

PAST MAP CONTROVERSIES

China’s map has also drawn objections from Taiwan, with its foreign ministry spokesman Jeff Liu saying on Aug 28 that the “People's Republic of China has never ruled Taiwan”.

“These are universally recognised facts and the status quo in the international community," he added.

This is not the first time that China’s publication of a map has drawn objections.

In 2014, China unveiled an update to its official national map which emphasised its “nine-dash” line claim to the South China Sea and made the islands and territories within that region appear more integral to China’s territorial integrity than previous maps, according to The Diplomat.

This map drew a response from India for continuing to show the disputed territory of Arunachal Pradesh as Chinese territory.

In 2012, the publication of a map in new Chinese passports drew the ire of several countries, with Vietnam and India both voicing their disapproval.

According to TIME Magazine, the map included parts of India - namely Aksai Chin and most of Arunachal Pradesh - as well as shoals and archipelagos contested by several Southeast Asian nations.

And just last month, Vietnam banned the blockbuster film Barbie after it featured a scene that shows China’s unilaterally claimed territory in the South China Sea, Reuters reported.
Only valid way of protesting is to station more troops and military presence in the disputed areas.
Here is the 11 dash line published in 1947 by the government of Republic of China.

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This map was originally made by ROC ( Taiwan), why they don't go after the true creator of it? ROC still claims the same as PRC if not more.

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It was originally an 11-dash line, and there was originally a line between China and Vietnam.
The 10th line is very conservative already. Look at the angle.

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China just like every country is only doing what's best for its national Unity . Pakistan supports China on Taiwan , Tibet , Arunachal Pardesh and other important issues .


Use of Pakistan’s unofficial map a crime punishable by jail term, fine​

Use of Pakistan's unofficial map a crime punishable by jail term, fine

ISLAMABAD, Aug 31 (APP):After unveiling the new political map backed by legislation, the government has urged the general public to avoid the use and dissemination of unofficial or incorrect maps of the country as any such offense is punishable by a jail term or fine.

The authorities observed that the general public was not fully aware of the importance and usage of Pakistan’s new political map which was a cartographic representation of a country showing its administrative and political boundaries.

The Surveying and Mapping (Amendment) Act, 2020 has imposed stringent penalties for the printing, display, and use of unofficial or incorrect maps of the country, according to an official document.

The law prevents the printing, displaying, dissemination of or use of an incorrect and unofficial map of Pakistan and any violation may result in imprisonment for a term which may extend up to five years or a fine of Rs 5 million or both.

“Any individual, firm, organization or department involved in printing, displaying,
disseminating, using or circulating incorrect and unofficial version of map of Pakistan
or any part of Pakistan in hard or digital form shall be liable to be imprisoned for a
term which may extend up to five years or a fine of five million rupees or both,” according to the law.

The document called for all the citizens to only use the official map of Pakistan which was available at the Survey of Pakistan’s website.

“It reinforces the idea of sovereignty and territorial integrity of a nation. It also shapes national identity and a sense of belonging among citizens,” the document said.

Pakistan unveiled its new political map on August 4, 2020, in response to the Indian provocative move on August 5, 2019, when it unilaterally revoked Article 350 and 35(A) in a bid to change the legal status of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu & Kashmir (IIOJK).

Pakistan’s new official political map is distinct from the previous political map as it contains seven new distinguishing features like the working boundary marked with appropriate annotation.

It mentions the status of IIOJK to be determined through a plebiscite as per relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions; the Line of Control (LoC) marked with the red dotted line shows undefined frontiers; and Junagadh, Manavdar and Jammu & Kashmir in its entirety, including Gilgit-Baltistan, shown in one distinct colour as parts of Pakistan.

The new political map reflects Pakistan’s border with India in the Sir Creek region as an international boundary along the eastern bank of the Creek.

The map depicts that Pakistan was committed to pursuing a political solution and opposed military interventions to resolve the Kashmir issue in line with the UNSC resolutions.

The document explains that the correct use of terminologies has great significance or implications in international relations. For example, Persian Gulf or Arabian Gulf, depending on the perspective, holds immense geopolitical importance due to its strategic location.

For Iran, using the term “Persian Gulf” is a matter of preserving its national identity and asserting its sovereignty over the region. While, some Arab countries, especially along the Arabian Peninsula, prefer to term it “Arabian Sea” due to their Arab identity, historical connection to the area, and geopolitical rivalries.

The authorities called for the use of official political map at all levels, including in academia, media, and private and public offices, as it would help keep alive the aspirations of millions of Kashmiri brethren who are currently living in the world’s largest jail under an illegal Indian occupation.

“The use of official map will strengthen Pakistan’s sovereignty claims, reinforce national identity, and serve as a symbol of national pride. It will also have far-reaching repercussions for foreign relations, legal matters and historical disputes bringing positive outcomes for the nation.”

Citing the relevant laws from different countries, the document said as per Indian legislation, the dissemination of inaccurate topographic information about the country, including international boundaries can lead to fines ranging from Rs 1 to 10 million and up to 7 years imprisonment.

Similarly, China introduced heavy penalties for using maps conflicting the country’s position on Taiwan, Tibet, and certain South China Sea regions.

Turkey strictly regulates border depictions, especially related to Cyprus. Maps depicting Cyprus separately can result in legal consequences.




Published Thu, 31 Aug 2023, 5:46 PM
Categorized as National Tagged Pakistan, Political Map, Survey of Pakistan






 
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ASEAN will stay united and all countries within this group have aggred to use international law under UNCLOS as the basis of solving the issues

There willl be ASEAN Summit on 5-7 September in Jakarta and we will see what will be going on during the events as US, China, Japan, India, SK, Britain, Canada leaders will also come
 
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ASEAN will stay united and all countries within this group have aggred to use international law under UNCLOS as the basis of solving the issues

There willl be ASEAN Summit on 5-7 September in Jakarta and we will see what will be going on during the events as US, China, Japan, India, SK, Britain, Canada leaders will also come

This is between ASEAN and China, USA stay out.
 
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This is between ASEAN and China, USA stay out.
The US has huge interest not to see SCS under China control. This is not only due to geopolitical rivalry, but also due to US economic interest as we know SCS is very important sea areas in term of trade route betweeen Asia Pacific region and Asia Pacific inter trade activity with other regions.

US will likely keep their present in SCS and will always make move to undermine China position.
 
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The US has huge interest not to see SCS under China control. This is not only due to geopolitical rivalry, but also due to US economic interest as we know SCS is very important sea areas in term of trade route betweeen Asia Pacific region and Asia Pacific inter trade activity with other regions.

US will likely keep their present in SCS and will always make move to undermine China position.

It was USA who supported Spratley belongs to China to China immediately after WW2. At that time neither Malaysia Indon or Pinoy claims anything there.

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In October 1946, Yong Xing was led by Lin Zun and Yao Ruyu, together with the Tai Ping, Chung Chien and Chung Yeh ships, to the South China Sea to receive and station in the Xisha and Nansha Islands.


 
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It was USA who supported Spratley belongs to China to China immediately after WW2. At that time neither Malaysia Indon or Pinoy claims anything there.

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In October 1946, Yong Xing was led by Lin Zun and Yao Ruyu, together with the Tai Ping, Chung Chien and Chung Yeh ships, to the South China Sea to receive and station in the Xisha and Nansha Islands.


I just show the current reality, if you get mad with that reality, then it is your own problem.

What is important is that your gov is alligned with the rest of ASEAN members regarding the issue. Your opinion is not matter
 
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I just show the current reality, if you get mad with that reality, then it is your own problem.

What is important is that your gov is alligned with the rest of ASEAN members regarding the issue. Your opinion is not matter

I am not mad at anything. I just state the facts.

No such thing as Malaysia or even Philippines or Indonesia before colonial masters. People there cant claim anything.

If colonial masters dont do on their behalf, then nothing belongs to them.
 
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The three stooges don't represent East Asian civilization. They are merely of the same kind as traitors and lackeys of US but nothing else in common, it's only a delusion of yours.
If anything then Taiwan represents Chinese culture and civilization. China today under Ccp is just an insult and provocation.
 
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If anything then Taiwan represents Chinese culture and civilization. China today under Ccp is just an insult and provocation.
Taiwan is a renegade province of China only, can't represent Chinese civilization. Japan, South Korea and Vietnam are jokes today.
 
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French Vietnam started to claim Spratly and Paracel in 1931 while Malaysia PInoy Indos does not even make noise when French claim.

But this was already much later than China.

Then suddenly Pinoy and Malaysia say Spratly belongs to them.

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Chinese scholars additionally point to China’s persistent and resolute objections to allforeign claims to the South China Sea islands as evidence of Beijing’s effective administration ofthe two island groups. The first case cited by China is an 1883 incident involving a Germansurvey vessel. After learning that Germans were conducting surveys in the Spratlys and Paracelswithout China’s consent, the Qing government “lodged strong protests” with Berlin and theGermans terminated the survey.

Chinese scholars claim that China similarly protested French efforts to occupy theParacel and Spratly Islands in the 1930s. Following France’s attempt to occupy the Paracels inDecember 1931, China lodged a diplomatic protest with the French Foreign Ministry on July 27,1932, denying France’s claims to the archipelago.132 Two months later, on September 29th,China delivered a diplomatic note to the French government citing the 1887 Sino‐French Treaty,highlighting long‐time use of the islets by Chinese fishermen and indicating:
 
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"The Russian and Chinese sides adhere to the common position that the border issue between our countries has been finally resolved," Zakharova said in a statement published on the Foreign Ministry website.

"Its settlement was marked by the ratification in 2005 of the Supplementary Agreement on the Russian-Chinese state border on its eastern part, according to which Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island was divided between the parties."

"The delimitation and demarcation of our common border has been completed along its entire length (almost 4,300 km [2,670 miles]), including in 2008 on Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island."

The island has been split between Russian and Chinese control per the bilateral agreements. But China's newly published official map suggests it claims control of the entire 135-square-mile piece of land.
 
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