Sukmawati Sukarnoputri, daughter of former Indonesia president, converts to Hinduism from Islam

[Rollno21]

Time ? We cannot go back in times. I dont say about time, I only talk about God is not physical and this is why He cannot be seen, and He is near us, it means in essence He could be bigger than universe.

You seems try to talk like phylosoper, but the basis of phylosophy is logic, what I am saying is logic while I dont understand what you are saying. You have been educated with complex Gods in Hindu, this is why you assume the truth is complex and cannot be understood. Islam is a religion that can be understood easily, until now you keep denying, do you want me to bring that "Nebula" verse once more ?


You dont sounds logic with what you are saying. I admit that God can be called differently, but His teaching will be somewhat similar until the end of time, if He founds His teaching is mislead by human, He will likely try to correct it and bring another messenger. Now Hindu holly book is something in doubt since you cannot find the original one and Today Hindu worship many Gods, I mean many Hindu worship different Gods

Again you are contradicting yourself in the second sentence you say God can be called differently and end the post with hindus worship many gods. Different people see differently but its all one. How do you know its not the same God and different people see him differently and worship him .

 

[not_two]

Ah it's making me further confused ,it means Hinduism doesn't even fit in the category of religion because it is collection of many ideas over the time, no offense to hindous please take it as general Inquiry,

Yes it is collection of spiritual study over a long period of time and there are many offshoots to it like Buddhism , Jainism, sikkism etc which went on to become religions ..Like science is study of material world and technology is a by-product similarly we believe religions are by-product of spiritual knowledge .

 

[SecularNationalist]

Lakh di laanat

 

[not_two]

So how come a cow is sacred and Hanuman is a hero if it's not being told by Devine force,and Kishan be Lord and there are so many other gods,,are they all imaginary or developed by peoples them self who practice the as per you the living style called Hinduism,

Different stage in spiritual practice need different needs ..Ishtadaiva (any form of God one likes ) is first step where devotee worship and meditate on his most loved form of God only to realise formless ultimate and for him everything is one and one is everything..

 

[Village life]

Different stage in spiritual practice need different needs ..Ishtadaiva (any form of God one likes ) is first step where devotee worship and meditate on his most loved form of God only to realise formless ultimate and for him everything is one and one is everything..

That is called wahiditul wajood(every one is part of every thing) only believed in some Sufi Islamic school of thoughts ,but what Hinduism is as far as I know it doesn't believe in a single God,Eshwar may be referred as one and only and ultimate but still needs many other gods to perform his mightious authority, even it's still unclear either Bgwan kirsham is the Eshwar or a part of Eshwar,

 

[not_two]

That is called wahiditul wajood(every one is part of every thing) only believed in some Sufi Islamic school of thoughts ,but what Hinduism is as far as I know it doesn't believe in a single God,Eshwar may be referred as one and only and ultimate but still needs many other gods to perform his mightious authority, even it's still unclear either Bgwan kirsham is the Eshwar or a part of Eshwar,

The six orthodox schools are called as shatdarshanas and include Nyaya, Sankhya, Yoga, Vaisheshika, Purva Mimamsa and Uttara Mimamsa (Vedanta Philosophy).
You can google what each of them are teaching..

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

If you want definition than dictionary is good for you ..If you want to understand than I have tried it for you ..And I like you to explain the God and Islam ..just for knowledge and understanding..

Dictionary definition says Hinduism is a cultural and religious tradition of South Asia developed from the Veda. This doesn't really describe or define the essence of Hinduism, hence it is not understandable, and I have already said why. Because Hinduism in South Asia is a philosophy and culture of idolatry.

European scholars defined a theology called Pantheism for Hinduism which merges the central position of the Unseen, Non Physical, Almighty Creator of the Universe with our Physical Universe producing unlimited gods. In the practical sense this is meaningless, like giving everyone a gold medal in the Olympics would make the Olympics and the gold medal meaningless.

Definition of God (in Islam) is the Unseen Supreme Creator to whom the created submit which is the definition of Islam. The Creator made humans with the propensity to believe in Him. This is the natural state of submission called Fitrah humans are born with.

Then, by our God given freewill we can consciously realize faith in the Creator. This is called belief. Or, we can choose to reject faith which is called disbelief. So, we have choices, and we have accountability, thus we will be Judged (by our freewill). That is why, merging the Creator with the universe is theologically, philosophically, and logically considered Disbelief.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Murtad ki aik he saza, Sar tan say juda ...

I hail from Balochistan, and this culture of religious hypocrisy I witnessed in Punjab when I was studying there was at a different level. Watching mujras while chanting slogans of sir tann say juda sir tann say juda.

Bhai this was my reaction after this

You don't think your religion is strong enough to handle a mere conversion where you have to threaten death...

And through experience most know the privite lifestyle of these sar tan juda gang...
So first make yourself a better Muslim/human being than you are before caring about what other people do...

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Only limited things can be defined.
Infinity cannot be defined. At best, it can be 'explained'. Only to a certain extent.
Either refrain from defining God. Or say that 'God is not infinite'.
Same applies to anything you attempt to define (including religion).
Hinduism is infinite and can only be explained to a certain extent.
You obviously are not considering Hinduism 'religion' same as Hinduism 'word'. And, I hope, you consider Islam that same way.

Don't confuse religion with cultural or social practices. Religion has meaning in the relationship of submission to God. Religion is like a car with the running engine of belief in God which exists in the heart.

 

[Sage]

You don't think your religion is strong enough to handle a mere conversion where you have to threaten yo death...

What you call a mere conversion is known as Irtidad which is not allowed in our religion. If commited, the penalty is death. It is this simple.

 

[Maula Jatt]

What you call a mere conversion is known as Irtidad which is not allowed in our religion. If commited, the penalty is death. It is this simple.

sounds like pagan insecurity to me and will to, to the rest of the civilized world
but ok- what can you say...

 

[Sage]

sounds like pagan insecurity to me and will to, to the rest of the civilized world
but ok- what can you say...

Paganism has got nothing to do with any religion ...Islam is no ordinary religion...since you don't deal in it ...so let it be.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

What you call a mere conversion is known as Irtidad which is not allowed in our religion. If commited, the penalty is death. It is this simple.

Apostasy on its own is not punishable by man's laws. Quran 4-137 Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.

What people don't want is Islamophobic incitement, abuse and lies. But, there must be millions of disbelievers in the Muslim world. Better to let them freely say they don't believe than have misunderstandings about someone or have them ruin the reputation of the religion from inside.

 

[Indos]

Again you are contradicting yourself in the second sentence you say God can be called differently and end the post with hindus worship many gods. Different people see differently but its all one. How do you know its not the same God and different people see him differently and worship him .

No, I dont contradict it. I said God can be in different name, I said God, not Gods.

Same God will have same teaching, Islam and Hindu is very different, even you have so called Caste System. Merely this system differentiate human kind based on skin color ( who has more Aryan gene ) instead of his character and knowledge like in Islam if we see what happens in India.

 

[FreeFromFear]

Don't confuse religion with cultural or social practices. Religion has meaning in the relationship of submission to God. Religion is like a car with the running engine of belief in God which exists in the heart.

Not sure where & how did you see me confusing religion with cultural or social practices.

Keeping word jugglery aside, lets just agree/disagree on two points:
Is God infinite? Yes. I think you would agree.
Can something infinite be 'defined' precisely? No. I hope you agree.