Sukmawati Sukarnoputri, daughter of former Indonesia president, converts to Hinduism from Islam

[Novus ordu seclorum]

A person who has committed apostasy is to be given a 3 day warning by the state ...if he repents, his repentance be accepted...if not and if he leaves for good for some foreign land...he may not be hunted down...but if he/she continues apostasy on the same land even after a 3 day warning ...he/she be put to death.

No reference from the Quran. You won't find it because belief in Allah is between a person and Allah, not an agreement with others. The people of Medinah were bound by a constitutional agreement, though, which has no punishment against apostasy.

 

[Sage]

No reference from the Quran. You won't find it because belief in Allah is between a person and Allah, not an agreement with others. The people of Medinah were bound by a constitutional agreement, though, which has no punishment against apostasy.

He was quoting from Surah Ale Imran ....watch one more time.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

He was quoting from Surah Ale Imran ....watch one more time.

I will not bother watching him a third time, he has the same attitude toward Islam that Islamophobes have. Clearly, it is brought into the religion. If I didn't know better I would think Islam is a psycho religion. There is no reference in the Quran which says punishment for disbelieving in Allah is execution. Quran says there is no compulsion in religion and to let those who disbelieve to disbelieve granting freedom of belief and conscience. Quran is the only book of religion which explicitly declares freedom of religion giving humanity universal rights. Wikipedia, Apostasy in Islam: Scholars have pointed out that there is no mention in the Quran of the need to force an apostate to return to Islam, nor any specific corporal punishment to apply to apostates in this world[52][53][54][Note 5]—let alone commands to kill apostates—either explicitly or implicitly;[56][57][58][59]

In fact, other verses emphasize mercy and lack of compulsion in belief:[60]

There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
— Quran 2:256
Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it)"
-- Quran18:29

 

[aryadravida]

So you mean to say God appears in time and space ..In other words God is not everywhere and everytime .That understanding makes God too small as he functions within the limitations of time and space .
If you think that 8th century first mushaf is original one than what was zayd writing ?
So according to nebula verse you mean to say when a galaxy is destroyed heaven is destroyed ? Where is your logical reasoning ? Do you know how many galaxies are there ?

What is murtad ?

brother...it's just waste of time trying to reason with these people...they wont understand philosophy or science...if they are real truth seekers they would have found out many things they are following are false...a truth seeker doesnt believe in anything blindly...

 

[Indos]

So you mean to say God appears in time and space ..In other words God is not everywhere and everytime .That understanding makes God too small as he functions within the limitations of time and space .
If you think that 8th century first mushaf is original one than what was zayd writing ?
So according to nebula verse you mean to say when a galaxy is destroyed heaven is destroyed ? Where is your logical reasoning ? Do you know how many galaxies are there ?

WHAT EVERY TIME ? Some thing that has ended cannot be brought back, still with your Hollywood fantasies ........

God is every where, where is my statement saying God is not every where ? If God is larger than universe, of course He can be "present " on the universe. Present and appear ( inside the universe ) is different. Any way, God is not physical, God essence is more like our Ruh, you cannot bring your physics logic to something that is beyond physics ( metaphysics)

What is Zyad writing ? The originality of 8 century mushaf can be proven by the current technology, it is only Islam that still has its original hollybook

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A galaxy is destroyed, heaven is also impacted of course, do you understand English ??? heaven is also translated as sky in English, and in Indonesian Quran and Arabic it is stated as Sky.

You are the one which flaw logic that I have debunked so many times, and so with this recent answer

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Galaxy is many, but human only live on Earth and its own solar system, God doesnt need to destroy whole universe just to bring to end to human life on earth. End of time also look like doesnt mean the nihilation of our solar system as what is needed is just to end human life. It will likely our solar system or our galaxy that will be impacted with the End time event (Kiamat).

The Cat's Eye Nebula

hubblesite.org

Formation

Other nebulae form as the result of supernova explosions; the death throes of massive, short-lived stars. The materials thrown off from the supernova explosion are then ionized by the energy and the compact object that its core produces. One of the best examples of this is the Crab Nebula, in Taurus. The supernova event was recorded in the year 1054 and is labeled SN 1054. The compact object that was created after the explosion lies in the center of the Crab Nebula and its core is now a neutron star.

Still other nebulae form as planetary nebulae. This is the final stage of a low-mass star's life, like Earth's Sun. Stars with a mass up to 8–10 solar masses evolve into red giants and slowly lose their outer layers during pulsations in their atmospheres. When a star has lost enough material, its temperature increases and the ultraviolet radiation it emits can ionize the surrounding nebula that it has thrown off. Our Sun will produce a planetary nebula and its core will remain behind in the form of a white dwarf.

Nebula - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Now answer my question of why Hindu put WHITE SKIN Indian (Higher Aryan Caucasian Gene) as higher than DARK SKIN DALIT with many Dravidan gene?

We need to be fair as you are the one that keep asking while believing bluntly with your own flaw belief.

 

[Indos]

brother...it's just waste of time trying to reason with these people...they wont understand philosophy or science...if they are real truth seekers they would have found out many things they are following are false...a truth seeker doesnt believe in anything blindly...

Why WHITE SKIN ( more Caucasian look) Indian is Better than Dark Skin Dalit with much Dravidian gene ? What kind of religion that put skin tone/ Aryan Caucasian look/feature as basis to elevate people rank ?

 

[terry5]

brother...it's just waste of time trying to reason with these people...they wont understand philosophy or science...if they are real truth seekers they would have found out many things they are following are false...a truth seeker doesnt believe in anything blindly...

Question was answered it’s your pig headed blindness that hasn’t read the reply

okay let’s give you a chance to in your words enlighten us

ask a question ? Or will you run away ??

awaiting any question from you keenly
??????

 

[prashantazazel]

Made no sense. Every word has a purpose and definition. If it doesn't then why have a word for it. Reminds me of the fable of the two tailors who spun a cloth for the King so fine and exquisite that only the most discerning could see it, however, nobody could see where the air ended and the cloth started, and no one wanted to admit it. You are not the only one who could not explain Hinduism. I asked it from others and got the same run around. That is because when we take anything as god it logically becomes meaningless, like giving everyone an Olympic gold medal will make the Olympics meaningless.

You're looking for sharp boundaries where there are none. Not a great way to look into the metaphysical.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

You're looking for sharp boundaries where there are none. Not a great way to look into the metaphysical.

The runaround, I have been through this with others. You did not explain it, but I did. Hinduism is a philosophy of idolatry that displaces God from the position of the all powerful Creator and associates Him with the physical universe which produces multitude of idols [pantheism].

 

[jamahir]

Murtad ki aik he saza, Sar tan say juda ...

I wonder what you would say of the mullah.

 

[Vanamali]

what dank logic is this lol
cause I know what you are trying to say subtly but its kinda stupid imo

That is what he is also saying.. it is stupid to think "only my father is hero"...

Basic tenants of Hinduism does not talk about God.. those are purushartha (Purusha =man(women)+ aartha =meanings) there are 4 Purusharthas which are know as chaturvidha purushardha . Those 4 are Dharama, Aartha, Kama and Moksha.
Dharma is being righteous doing what is to be done
Aartha : Acquiring wealth(without crossing your dharma)
Kama: Satisfying your wants and needs (without crossing your dharma)
Moksha: Getting out the cycles of births and deaths(This will be acheive when you do all your preceeding 3 purushardhas).

Hinduism supports monotheism, pluralism, atheisms, Nature worship it doesn't limit you... you can pave your own path.. if you believe God then you are following Asthika way of life and you have 9 ways to reach Him called Nava vidha Bhakthi margam and you can choose amoung 6 ways (philosphies) Samkhya, Yoga, Mimasa, Vedantha Vaisheshika, Nyaya
In above Mimasa, Samkhya and Yoga rejects the personal god but follow and accept Vedas and Bhramana.
If you dont believe God then also you can be Hindu and that philospy is called Naskthika (Naa+ Asthika)

Any religion you talk is covered by Hinduisim but what makes Hinduism different is that it doesnt impose limitations.. If you dont like one way.. you can try another way.. you can try and try till you get (moksha) liberate from the shackles of cycles of births and deaths. Punarapi jananam, punarapi maranam punarapi janani jatare sayanam (again you will take birth and again you will die and again you will sleep in mothers womb to take birth).

Great Scientist are turning towards Hinduism because it give the freedom to choose with out fear of Hell or temptation of Heaven. Your are solely responsible for your liberation, you put effort and you will get the fruit.. No on will help your or no one will restrain you.. Karma is great equalizer...

Definition of God: God cannot be defined, but few attributes of Him are Neerakaro (he doest have specific manifestation) neranjana(you cannot please him or anger him), anatham(infinite), Gunaathitam (who do not have attributes), Vishnum (who is this world), Ishawara (Lord of everything), Bramha (creator), Sunya (vaccume)

In short.. there is no philosophy which is not covered by Hinduism.. If you are a Hindu you can choose anything including none...

 

[Black Tornado]

Why WHITE SKIN ( more Caucasian look) Indian is Better than Dark Skin Dalit with much Dravidian gene ? What kind of religion that put skin tone/ Aryan Caucasian look/feature as basis to elevate people rank ?

 

[Vanamali]

What you call a mere conversion is known as Irtidad which is not allowed in our religion. If committed, the penalty is death. It is this simple.

Why that penalty of death... Just to stop conversion from Islam.. on one hand you say Allah will judge on other hand it says, if some one leaves Islam, Muslims have to kill him.. by doing so are not taking away the right of Allah and will you not be subjected to hell fire for eternity???

Allah swt is not everywhere .

“Allah, it is He Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six days. Then He rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or receive admonition)?” [32:4]

“Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.” [10:3]



“To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds exalt it (i.e. the goodly words are not accepted by Allah unless and until they are followed by good deeds).” [35:10]

“He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him).” [57:3]

“Have you not seen that Allah knows whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth? There is no najwa (secret counsel) of three but He is their fourth (with His Knowledge, while He Himself is over the Throne, over the seventh heaven), — nor of five but He is their sixth (with His Knowledge), — nor of less than that or more but He is with them (with His Knowledge) wheresoever they may be.” [58:7]

What is the definition of 6 days here??

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

If you are a Hindu you can choose anything including none...

That made no sense from a religious point of view. It makes sense to say if you are American you can choose anything including none. You don't have a definition of Hindu but seemingly you have an overarching need to stick the label of Hindu to everything.

 

[Vanamali]

That made no sense from a religious point of view. It makes sense to say if you are American you can choose anything including none. You don't have a definition of Hindu but seemingly you have an overarching need to stick the label of Hindu to everything.

Boss if it makes sense for you or not is your perogative... I said what it is.. That is why we Indian here trying to say that you cannot draw boundaries for Hinduism, when it comes to philosophies propounded by various gurus of sanatana dharam which now ppl around world call it Hinduisim. Sanatan Dharama is reflection of God, you can give few attributes but you cannot define it.. I rest my case.