Sukhoi SU-30 Carnage in Ukraine!

[HydraChess]

Yea, F-16 went cold and froze Abhinandan's brains so much that he wasn't even sure of his position.
You losers paid Christian Fair tens of thousand dollars to blow sunshine up your skirt, instead you lot ended up getting humiliated in front of the world as she liberally rained on your parade.
There's a reason your PM was crying out for Rafales... He surely wasn't in crying for the loss of an obsolete MiG-21.
The cherry on the cake was IAF, fourth largest airforce in the world went crying to America for supplying AMRAAMs to Pakistan. Did Pakistan or PAF complained to Russia or France.... No because PAF delivered the message and put IAF to the sword once again. Period.

The real cherry? "Tangein kaap rahee thee, mathe pe paseene they". You returned Abhinandan without asking anyone in return!

 

[White privilege]

The real cherry? "Tangein kaap rahee thee, mathe pe paseene they". You returned Abhinandan without asking anyone in return!

Haha... Agar Rafale hota, then Indians might have been spared this PTSD, or so they think.

 

[Goritoes]

Our actions have been deliberate and cutting across political lines.

I hope young Pakistanis read up on the timeline of the 1971 war of liberation and the cascade of events that led up to it. And when they started.

Han woh sab thek hai, Lakin Sasta nasha chor dena ok ?

 

[langda khan]

Han woh sab thek hai, Lakin Sasta nasha chor dena ok ?

My nasha is an occasional single malt.

Unlike Pakistan we don't have an open drug border with Afghanistan. Though Afghan dope is great.

Our cream comes from Malana. A small village called Kasol.

 

[TopGun786]

The real cherry? "Tangein kaap rahee thee, mathe pe paseene they". You returned Abhinandan without asking anyone in return!

What should have we asked in return?
Some 8 Indians were shot dead that day because of Pakistan against 2 trees and a crow. 2 jets and on heli downed we beat the hell out of Abhi-none-done. Got all the info we needed from him.
In the end he was just a lost sheep and no major purpose to us to keep.
We did same things in past, didn't we?
And didn't you see his swollen face before he was returned?
One last thing... Kalbushan is still with us. If our "taangein kaanp rahi hain or maathy pr paseena hai" then why don't you take him back?

 

[-=virus=-]

Sasta nasha kerna chor de bhai.

bhai Laphroaig ki deewaney hain, konse angle se "sasta" nasha hai ?

@langda khan .. did I get that right ?

 

[Goritoes]

My nasha is an occasional single malt.

Unlike Pakistan we don

bhai Laphroaig ki deewaney hain, konse angle se "sasta" nasha hai ?

Comments pardh ker tu yehi laga tha hai koi sasta nasha karta hai, but he will quit...

 

[TopGun786]

My nasha is an occasional single malt.

Unlike Pakistan we don't have an open drug border with Afghanistan. Though Afghan dope is great.

Our cream comes from Malana. A small village called Kasol.

What about cow dung? You forgot to mention.

 

[langda khan]

Comments pardh ker tu yehi laga tha hai koi sasta nasha karta hai, but he will quit...

Per my wife I am quite a piece when I'm drunk.

Legendary stories of me at her cousin's wedding.

 

[HydraChess]

What should have we asked in return?

A certain colonel that RA&W abducted sometime back...

RAW seen behind ex-colonel’s disappearance | The Express Tribune

Foreign Office rejects Indian claims Col Zahir linked with Jadhav's arrest

tribune.com.pk

Some 8 Indians were shot dead that day because of Pakistan against 2 trees and a crow. 2 jets and on heli downed we beat the hell out of Abhi-none-done. Got all the info we needed from him.
In the end he was just a lost sheep and no major purpose to us to keep.
We did same things in past, didn't we?
And didn't you see his swollen face before he was returned?
One last thing... Kalbushan is still with us. If our "taangein kaanp rahi hain or maathy pr paseena hai" then why don't you take him back?

Did any of these thing amount to anything? Any real strategic or tactical advantage or just talking points?

Talk is really cheap.

Haha... Agar Rafale hota, then Indians might have been spared this PTSD, or so they think.

Actually, its similar to 1965 and 1971 scenario.

India forces were found sleeping in 65, were barely about to survive operation grand slam. But then after a massive build up and upgrade, in 1971 they were very very very very effective in gaining all the objectives.

So really, 2019 highlighted major vulnerabilities in Indian side. Communication one, which is why India bought Israeli Software defined radios. Missile range of A2A, partially plugged by new A2As and then by induction of latest Meteor missiles. Meanwhile you are purchasing Chinese goods. Which is good! Untested and mostly lower quality things.

 

[TopGun786]

A certain colonel that RA&W abducted sometime back...

RAW seen behind ex-colonel’s disappearance | The Express Tribune

Foreign Office rejects Indian claims Col Zahir linked with Jadhav's arrest

tribune.com.pk

Did any of these thing amount to anything? Any real strategic or tactical advantage or just talking points?

Talk is really cheap.


Actually, its similar to 1965 and 1971 scenario.

India forces were found sleeping in 65, were barely about to survive operation grand slam. But then after a massive build up and upgrade, in 1971 they were very very very very effective in gaining all the objectives.

So really, 2019 highlighted major vulnerabilities in Indian side. Communication one, which is why India bought Israeli Software defined radios. Missile range of A2A, partially plugged by new A2As and then by induction of latest Meteor missiles. Meanwhile you are purchasing Chinese goods. Which is good! Untested and mostly lower quality things.

There is no such officer with you people. It's all just your survival propaganda.
Many sources say this person is still in Pakistan.
And also as India never acknowledged this Colonel was was them how can we trade anyone with the said person.
And if we really want to take this so called officer we still have your "peace ambassador '' Mr Kalbushan Yadev.
Seems like Pakistan is not in a hurry.
And deaths of Indian army personal is a very very big matter, especially when 2 of them were Su30 pilots plus Mi17 pilot and co-pilot. A trained pilot is worth 100 trained ordinary officers.
And for Pakistan even lives of her inhabitants matter a lot. See how a crow was killed and 2 trees uprooted and it resulted in a whole hell of war and pounding Indian positions.
Well, the last point.... Seems like Indian army was always sleeping when it was attacked. If you calculate your landmass prior to 1947, it seems you lost almost half your country.
In 1947/48 Pakistan took Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir from you. In 1962 and 2019 chines took Aksai chin and then a large chunk of ladakh from you.
In broad terms Pakistan lost east wing in 1971 but again it was a logistic burden for Pakistan and ended in Bangladesh and they are doing much better now (for which we are happy for them). It did not merge with "Mahabharat" and is an independent country.

 

[HydraChess]

There is no such officer with you people. It's all just your survival propaganda.

The source is a Pakistani news paper.

Many sources say this person is still in Pakistan.

Which source?

And also as India never acknowledged this Colonel was was them how can we trade anyone with the said person.

If you ask, they will acknowledge. Otherwise why will they? They illegally kidnapped him from Nepal. Why will anyone acknowledge their crimes?

And if we really want to take this so called officer we still have your "peace ambassador '' Mr Kalbushan Yadev.

Which will be better deal?
Giving Abhinandan for free and then exchanging Jadav for this colonel?
Or Getting Colonel back in exchange of abhinandan (who was useless for you) and keeping Jadav?

Lets face it, Pakistani were so scared, as admitted by your own leaders :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321534901879857152

" Mujhe yaad hei shah mehmood kureshi sahab us meeting mein the jismein prime minister saab ne aane mana kar diya tha, Pair kaanp rahe the, paseene mathe pe the, aur humse shah mahmood saab ne kaha, foreign minister ne, ke khuda ka wasta isko wapas jane dein kyon ke 9 baje raat ko hindustan pakistan pe attack kar raha hei... woh kuch naheen hona tha koi hindustan ko attack naheen karna tha wo bus ghutne tek ke abhinandan ko wapas behj dena tha"

And then you brag about all sorts of braveries.

 

[TopGun786]

The source is a Pakistani news paper.


Which source?


If you ask, they will acknowledge. Otherwise why will they? They illegally kidnapped him from Nepal. Why will anyone acknowledge their crimes?


Which will be better deal?
Giving Abhinandan for free and then exchanging Jadav for this colonel?
Or Getting Colonel back in exchange of abhinandan (who was useless for you) and keeping Jadav?

Lets face it, Pakistani were so scared, as admitted by your own leaders :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321534901879857152

" Mujhe yaad hei shah mehmood kureshi sahab us meeting mein the jismein prime minister saab ne aane mana kar diya tha, Pair kaanp rahe the, paseene mathe pe the, aur humse shah mahmood saab ne kaha, foreign minister ne, ke khuda ka wasta isko wapas jane dein kyon ke 9 baje raat ko hindustan pakistan pe attack kar raha hei... woh kuch naheen hona tha koi hindustan ko attack naheen karna tha wo bus ghutne tek ke abhinandan ko wapas behj dena tha"

And then you brag about all sorts of braveries.

Yes, the Pakistan army and Government were so scared that day after that day. They shot down 2 Indian jets plus one Mi17 and killed 8 Indian personal at least. You above screenshots come from the Political Party statement who is also in opposition so it is very natural fro them to give such statements. Such statements from opposition political parties have ZERo values and it goes to both Pakistan and India and also other counties. No if you opposition says that Modi sold Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir to Pakistan and Aksai Chin and Ladakh to China so it will be reliable to accept??? Any current Opposition always same thousand of things any current Governing Party so we assume the opposition says the truth? It is always the case of defaming other political parties to gain some votes and the same goes for your country where this issue is even maybe 10 times more.
And we returned Abhi-none-done because he was not a war prisoner. It was a usual conflict that ended in in yet another humiliation for India and Abhi-none-done was no use to us.
If the legs were really shaking then why you people did not take Kalbushan Yadev ?
And why you people did not avenge the killing of your 8 officers at the hands of PAF pilots that day ?
The truth is Pakistan thought it is enough for the day.

 

[HydraChess]

Yes, the Pakistan army and Government were so scared that day after that day. They shot down 2 Indian jets plus one Mi17 and killed 8 Indian personal at least. You above screenshots come from the Political Party statement who is also in opposition so it is very natural fro them to give such statements. Such statements from opposition political parties have ZERo values and it goes to both Pakistan and India and also other counties.

Look! Here is what happened!

Pakistan shot down

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Indian planes including fighters, Helicopters, refulers etc etc etc.

ITS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT which is of the most interest to me. Pakistan's government quitely returned one single captured soldier IMMEDIATELY! With NO CONDITIONS AT ALL!

I wonder WHY after such a MASSIVE victory, Pakistan could not even enforce ONE single will on India? Could have asked some land in Kashmir to be returned? Or some Pakistanis in Indian prisons to be returned? What stopped that? Why waste Pakistan Forces such a brave behaviour? Why quitely return the sole capture of the fight at all? Why not exact some REAL price from India?

Does not look a position of power AT ALL to me. Looks more like a position of desperation and hesitancy to escalate.

India for all its failings (in bombing, in CAP, in defending against PAF) did ONE THING MATERIAL. It escalated the situation.

No if you opposition says that Modi sold Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir to Pakistan and Aksai Chin and Ladakh to China so it will be reliable to accept???

Actually, YES!
Modi has been repeatedly questioned on his "Koi an ghus aaya hei" dialog.
Reporter after reporters in India have shown that China has changed the realities on the ground.
Retired military leaders (like Col. Panag) have shown even during early engagement that India forces have lost its control around Lake Pagnong and is not patrolling till where it used to.

May I ask, why is Pakistan's government and forces not questioned similarly for letting such a golden opportunity to go waste?

 

[Falcon26]

One interesting aspect of it is how the IAF’s two Su-30MKIs dueled with eight PAF F-16s during the conflict. The North group of 4 F-16s engaged our Flankers, which fired 3 AIM-120C AMRAAM BVR missiles. All the missiles missed their mark. The Sukhois pushed them back, while also picking up another group of 4 F-16s and multiple inbound strike aircraft from the Southern formation. This in essence meant that the Avengers were heavily outgunned by the PAF formation carrying more advanced American BVR missiles, and in sheer numbers. A fourth AMRAAM was fired by the South Group.

By advanced mapping, it could be deduced that by that time the Su-30MKI jets were just 25-30 kilometers away from the North Group jets. This fourth AMRAAM was also evaded by the Sukhois.

IAF Flankers, instead of retreating, counterattacked in a bold move against the F-16s ignoring the high-density BVR threat from the F-16s, in all probability breaching the AMRAAM MAR to press home the R27/77 attack 25-30 km from lead PAF jets in the North Group.

This meant that the things turned out to be the other way for the PAF, the Su-30s instead of returning dashed on to the F-16s to make them come under the R-27/77 missile range. This is because the Su-30MKIs were not carrying long-range BVR missiles, and had medium-range missiles, whose range problem had to be mitigated by bringing F-16s closer. The lead North Group F-16 fighters, instead of attacking the incoming Sukhoi, went ‘COLD’ prematurely.

That is the reason for the 10 out of 12 Pakistani bombs falling well out of the range of their intended targets was because of this unexpected counterattack by the IAF fighters

You should pursue a career as a fantasy writer. I see a great potential.