Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

[randomradio]

The real reason is this



Modi succumbed to US pressure.

India is not buying the F-35 either.

India media reported that IAF was briefed on classified information of F-35 by Lockheed Marrin. Likewise @PurpleStone said India cannot fly F-35 until FGFA is dead. USA is opening up F-35 to friendly nations. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and India are prime target markets. It's coming!!

Nope. It wasn't done.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ighter-jet-says-iaf-chief-b-s-dhanoa-5082304/
“We have not officially asked for a briefing on the F-35 nor has any request been made to the Americans,” IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa told The Indian Express.

 

[PurpleStone]

ndia is not buying the F-35 either.

US had two conditions for selling F-35 to India

1) Cancel FGFA deal with Russia - completed

2) Buy F-16s now to get F-35 post 2030 - to be done as part of the MMRCA redux

 

[randomradio]

US had two conditions for selling F-35 to India

1) Cancel FGFA deal with Russia - completed

2) Buy F-16s now to get F-35 post 2030 - to be done as part of the MMRCA redux

Those were not the conditions. But there were other conditions.

1. Join the NSG and all other sister pacts except NPT and CTBT.
2. Sign the foundational agreements, CISMOA, LSA and BECA.

Condition 1, we have joined all sister pacts like the MTCR, Wassenaar Arrangement and Australia Group, but we are yet to join the NSG. Due to the delay from the Chinese side, the US is willing to overlook this and that's why they created the India specific MDP law.

Condition 2, we haven't signed CISMOA and BECA yet.

The FGFA cancellation has no relevance to the F-35 since we can easily buy a few squadrons of PAK FA and licence produce them at a later date.

The F-16/SH carrots are just carrots, there is no obligation for us to bite. Nor will they refuse to sell us the F-35 in case we need it at a later date.

Our fallback plan for the FGFA was always AMCA, this was made clear by two air chiefs.

The US is willing to sell us the F-35 as long as we don't ask for ToT and take the jets from American factories as fly away, but only after CISMOA, or the India specific COMCASA, is signed. The F-16/SH bait is only for a future F-35 production line with ToT in India.

We have no need for the F-35 when we will begin working on AMCA.

Our immediate priority right now is the LCA and MMRCA production lines.

 

[Broccoli]

Su-57 is not an 5th gen fighter. IAF has been complaining that it's not stealthy enough nor Russians allow them to get better look at it... talk about scam.

 

[araberuni7]

Trump administration recently opened up drones to friendly buyers. Drones is now commercial sale not foreign military sale. Trump administration also reduced surcharge on foreign military sale.
India can utilize bromance between Trump and Modi to get F-35. It's feasible if IAF and MoD take initiative to buy F-35.
F-16 Block 70 would be a great learning for TATA Advanced Systems. I think money well spend if India can learn from it and make thier own. This is how Mitsubishi Heavy Industry, TAI and KAI started.
My Indian cousin needs to ask simple question, what have you learnt past 70 years dealing with Russian?

 

[帅的一匹]

Su-57 is not an 5th gen fighter. IAF has been complaining that it's not stealthy enough nor Russians allow them to get better look at it... talk about scam.

Does it have weapon bay? I never see it open.

 

[denel]

Frankly speaking stealth is too much of a hype; it made sense to drop out.

 

[conworldus]

So is the FGFA program officially DEAD dead now? Russia has already developed the Su-57 and I don't think we will see any more modification (since there really has not been any modification from even the first T-50 prototype).

 

[araberuni7]

Does it have weapon bay? I never see it open.

Weapons carried inside weapons bay of wings. Russian weapons bay is not in the middle or side of air inlets. Su-57 released small diameter bomb from weapon bay. Russian A2A missile is yet to be tested.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Weapons carried inside weapons bay of wings. Russian weapons bay is not in the middle or side of air inlets. Su-57 released small diameter bomb from weapon bay. Russian A2A missile is yet to be tested.

Yes they are look at this Image @araberuni7

 

[帅的一匹]

Yes they are look at this Image @araberuni7
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I think the bump under the wing is instrument bay.

To be honest, I will reject FGFA as well if I were an Indian.

I think Su57 is the ultimate form of Su27 series, it's a semi-stealthy endeavour. With the cavity between the engine elevator, the missle will be sucked back towards the weapon bay whenever it's launched.

It will be a beast in WVR with 30 engine, but it will be taken out by F35A/F22 in BVR.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I think the bump under the wing is instrument bay.

but sir russian says that SRAAM weapon bays @wanglaokan sir

I think Su57 is the ultimate form of Su27 series, it's a semi-stealthy endeavour

It will be a beast in WVR with 30 engine, but it will be taken out by F35A/F22 in BVR.

It will have improve version R-77, R-73 specially build for PAK-FA but you're right it has relatively high RCS as compare to F-22, F-35, it will destroyed by first look-down shoot-down philosophy by the BVR fired by F-22 and F-35 @wanglaokan

 

[rcrmj]

a very bad choice made by Indian, something is better than nothing````relying on American for 5th gen is as promising as relying on HAL

 

[araberuni7]

Regardless of what Russian says. Once Meteor is certified for F-35 than game over for any fighter jets of eastern block. The next-gen Meteor will have Japanese AESA seeker that will make it more deadly in BVR combat. There will zero chance that the Su-57 can survive against Meteor.
Indian MoD made correct decision not handing over $5B development cost of few brochures of Su-57.

 

[he-man]

I think the bump under the wing is instrument bay.

To be honest, I will reject FGFA as well if I were an Indian.

I think Su57 is the ultimate form of Su27 series, it's a semi-stealthy endeavour. With the cavity between the engine elevator, the missle will be sucked back towards the weapon bay whenever it's launched.

It will be a beast in WVR with 30 engine, but it will be taken out by F35A/F22 in BVR.

1)We will not be having a war with the west so competing with f-22/f-35 is not a logical proposition.
The main thing is to relatively keep a deterrent against china(we cant win an outright war with china) and be capable of inflicting a damage that deters chinese from attacking.

2)Sure su-57 wont be as good as f-35 or f-22 simply because of funding.....the development cost of both these aircrafts is many times more,f-35 is fitted with a 3 rd generation aesa by the company that is best in field,they have the most experience in stealth,the helmet of f-35 itself is light years ahead of anything else adversaries have at the moment and not to forget about the weapons(cumulative european and american).

3)But su-57 is a stepping stone for us....its good enough for being one of the best in asian region(well j-20 may be more stealthy but in engines,radars and flight profile it may lag a bit behind).

4)Indians have nothing even comparable to su-57 that we can realistically get,u are right in saying its foolish to rely on HAL for designing and making a 5 th generation fighter in that meagre and paltry R&D budget.The amount of money sanctioned is just in millions while 5 th generation requires billions and still it dosent guarantee to be any good against the opposition.

5)Chinese just made hundreds of copies (with their own instruments and sensors) in j series and learnt for decades before venturing out to make j-10,20,31 etc so the path is like this only.First get accustomed to be able to copy and then try to innovate and make something unique.Thats why its the best thing that we acquire more su-30 (with upgraded irbis-e pesa and,rwr and maws),make more tejas mk1a,2 in numbers (200-300) and just work on the sensors,engine and radar for the 5 generation.Post 2030-35 when we have sufficiently developed tech for everything,we can plan AMCA.

6)If we try to get everything it will be a mantainance nightmare for the forces with 10 different jets with different spares and simulators and weapons.

7)People who laugh at the pitfalls of the f-35 dont realize that americans plan to get 2300 of them.They are not making a dog fighting plane but a network centric warfare will be fought where they will sends 100's of planes to just flatten out the opposition.The days of dog fighting are over.