Su-30 MKIs replaced Mig-21 Bisons in IAF Srinagar base in Kashmir

[arjunk]

we don't think PAF is very good, so we deployed what seemed appropriate

Didn't end well for you, did it?

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Didn't end well for you, did it?
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I must agree...when out numbering us 28 to 1....with F 16 and AMRAAM....you will manage to shoot down exacly one Mig 21.

 

[FuturePAF]

All jokes aside, after the humiliation of Feb 2019, the IAF and the entire Indian Military looks to be getting ready to move up the escalation ladder very quickly.

They may not be as good as the claim, but they will drill on a few key strategies and missions to claim some kind of victory in any upcoming conflict. (Similar to the Egyptians and their Sagger ATGM and integrated Air defenses during the 1973 war after the defeat of the 1967 war)

This is why the PAF needs to get a decent number of J-10CE and a large number of JF-17 Block 3, as well as upgrading the Block 1 and 2 to the Block 3 standard, ASAP.

We should give up trying to get the F-16s, because the US will probably drag it out for years, when it could be too late. Besides, the J-10CE now has a decent domestic engine, and this is the best time to go for at least 36 in an initial acquisition. (Considering economies of scale, and the number of fighters that need to be replaced, and the limitations of the JF-17, the final number of J-10CE should be at least over a hundred, and the number of JF-17 should be at least over 250)

Expect the Indians to be training with more of their allies with F-16s. By March the Indians are expected To have 17 Rafales.

we should not underestimate the Indians, because if they suffer another military embarrassment, they will lose much in the eyes of their domestic audience.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Previous IAF strategy was to use MiG-21 as a delaying/diversionary tactics till reinforcements reach from Punjab or Haryana.
But it was later realized that this is not effective in short skirmishes as enemy jets may leave soon after taking a few pot shots.

Hence now Su-30 MKI will be directly stationed in Srinagar.

more accurately, they were treated as strategic jets in the past. Now they have been clearence for tactical air combat too.

All jokes aside, after the humiliation of Feb 2019, the IAF and the entire Indian Military looks to be getting ready to move up the escalation ladder very quickly.

They may not be as good as the claim, but they will drill on a few key strategies and missions to claim some kind of victory in any upcoming conflict. (Similar to the Egyptians and their Sagger ATGM and integrated Air defenses during the 1973 war after the defeat of the 1967 war)

This is why the PAF needs to get a decent number of J-10CE and a large number of JF-17 Block 3, as well as upgrading the Block 1 and 2 to the Block 3 standard, ASAP.

We should give up trying to get the F-16s, because the US will probably drag it out for years, when it could be too late. Besides, the J-10CE now has a decent domestic engine, and this is the best time to go for at least 36 in an initial acquisition.

Expect the Indians to be training with more of their allies with F-16s. By March the Indians are expected To have 17 Rafales.

we should not underestimate the Indians, because if they suffer another military embarrassment, they will lose much in the eyes of their domestic audience.

Even if you get J10, we will not let you get non chinese avoinics. We did that with JF17 thunder.

 

[Goenitz]

we should not underestimate the Indians, because if they suffer another military embarrassment, they will lose much in the eyes of their domestic audience.

Yup. After 27 they got beaten in Galwan, still they claimed victory which means they are desperate for it. So they need a real victory to whitewash all those previous facade victories..

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Yup. After 27 they got beaten in Galwan, still they claimed victory which means they are desperate for it. So they need a real victory to whitewash all those previous facade victories..

the chinese have completely vacated Galwan and taken back their tents...nice way of looking at 'defeat'

 

[Daghalodi]

 

[Goenitz]

the chinese have completely vacated Galwan and taken back their tents...nice way of looking at 'defeat'

I meant the claim killing 60 Chinese soldiers. Anyway, Chinese see a large and long term objective. The current retreat can be marked as defeat or better sense, it is up to you.
@Daghalodi
Man,,, it is funny but Abhi is a good soldier. He didn't shoot civilians which he could with his gun and surrendered to them upon getting hit with stones. Too bad he still got a severe beating from locals but Glad Pak army saved him.

 

[The Eagle]

The title is suggesting that. Amway, it was mirajes from both sides who did the job. Let's see Su-30 role in coming days.
@Windjammer @The Eagle
I wish Mujahideen could take some Su 30s for us

Nothing is beyond reach when it comes to hit something not very far. Any assets deployed in occupied territory are bound to get hit whether by the enemy or by the real owners of land.

enemy jets may leave soon after taking a few pot shots.

Dude..... India's enemy air crafts were there for minutes however, allow me to correct the narration that actually, those were IAF jets leaving battle arena on one pretext or another like Radar Failure to Bingo or either called by ground control as India couldn't afford more fratricides aka Mi-17V5 in Budgam. Hope you are getting the accounts corrected. IAF deployed everything like MiG-21s, SU-30 MKIs, Mirages, Mi-17V5 and Air Defence like Spyder yet you call it enemy leaving shortly.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

I meant the claim killing 60 Chinese soldiers. Anyway, Chinese see a large and long term objective. The current retreat can be marked as defeat or better sense, it is up to you.
@Daghalodi
Man,,, it is funny but Abhi is a good soldier. He didn't shoot civilians which he could with his gun and surrendered to them upon getting hit with stones. Too bad he still got a severe beating from locals but Glad Pak army saved him.

we killed 45...we know because we carried back 16 of those dead bodies back to our camp. The chinese commanders picked those off the next day. They were weeping when they collected the bodies. See...we knew they would try to use inhuman torture to make up for lack of guns to 'make an example' as their general had previously stated. So we put 50 ghatak troops on standby to kill them by 'breaking their necks' and then deface the corpses with stones before carrying back the dead bodies. This battle was not spontaenous. We predicted it would happen and decided to show the old fart what 'making an example' looks like.

 

[Goenitz]

50 ghatak troops on standby to kill them

We predicted

That is a new revelation but we are derailing the thread. But if preparation/foresight was of that level, Ghatak soldiers cd have carried a go-Pro.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

That is a new revelation but we are derailing the thread. But if preparation/foresight was of that level, Ghatak soldiers cd have carried a go-Pro.

what makes you think they don't have footage?

And it wasn't that difficult to predict. The general had been making a lot of 1961 type noises (we will teach them a lesson, ask them to behave). But the problem is he was not ready to do too much to actually win the fight. Throughout this episde they barely had 50,000 troops...forget the 7:1 ratio needed to win a battle, countering him man to man at 50,000 troops is barely 5% of our total strength. So it became clear that he was ready to do everything except commit real forces to fight...so psy ops, torture to scare the enemy etc. would be his tools.

And it played out exactly ( oh we will give hot food to our soliders while you will freeze to death, we have drone, exoskelitons etc.). But on ground their troop commitments continuted to be peanuts. So it was obvious that he would try to 'scare' the forces by doing some dramatic attack that took lives. So in preparation we put our troops on standby to put the fear of god in him. The defacement of dead corpses was done in front of their soldiers who had by then started scrambing to collect other bodies from the river. Their commanding officer flew in with a helicopter and started ordering his troops to fish the bodies out of the river. During that period, in front of his eyes, the dead bodies of their soldiers were carried back to our camp.

 

[arjunk]

I must agree...when out numbering us 28 to 1....with F 16 and AMRAAM....you will manage to shoot down exacly one Mig 21.

IAF is twice the size of PAF. What kind of a pathetic excuse is that? PAF even struck in broad daylight unlike IAF who cowered through the darkness at 3:00 a.m. And what's so special about F-16s? I thought India has "Raptors of the East?" Are you saying IAF is incompetent?

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

introduction of Su 30 means the intent to penetrate deep into Pakistani territory and carry out strikes/ attacks.

BARCAPs are waiting for you to try...

 

[Kingslayerr]

only because we're replacing Mig 21 with Su 30.

Replacing a single engine fighter with a dual engine, bigger, bulker fighter when tejas is made to replace mig21s? Does these even make any sense man? Stop fooling yourself yar. You're migs21 are flying coffins tejas is worst than shit thats why migs are still flying and being replaced by bigger jets.