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Strange Syrian Bedfellows: US, Russia Coordinate Attack Against Militants From Turkey

Turks tanks just sit idly while US airplanes pounding ISIS. Do you call that an ally?
If USA wants to use PKK terorists again DAESH thats their problem but everyone can understand easily we will not help to terorists who are killing our soldiers and peoples for their kurdish fasist idelogy in our country.It makes me just happy killing of Daesh and Pkk terorists eachother.
Also stop lying.We took inside all the civilians coming from kobani to Turkey.
 
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Remember last year, the ISIS siege against Kobani, Turks tanks just sit idly while US airplanes pounding ISIS. Do you call that an ally?

Kobane aka Ayn el-Arab owes Turkey a great thank you for saving their azz by letting N.Iraq peshmerga reinforcement forces use Turkish soil. I have questions for you,

1- Why Turkey should intervene a war which is not ours?
2- You complain about our tanks sit idle when it comes to Kobane, but why when we shell the hell out of YPG terrorists ( national security risk ) you guys still complain?

People will talk no matter what, so better to do the best for our country and giving no single sh!t.
 
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Lol look at the Chinese trolls, they have no clue what they are talking about, just mixing random terms that they heard somethere together which arent even compatible with eachother such as Pan-Turkism and Ottoman empire in the same phrase. :rofl:

Oh boy, at least do your research before humiliating yourselves, you dont sound smart,neither do your posts sound substantive to people with knowledge, or even better just stop polluting the forum with your nonsense. :disagree:
stupid I heard those on facebook from a french fwe months ago.
the freach thinks you are the ISIS and they want to hit you hard.

Lol look at the Chinese trolls, they have no clue what they are talking about, just mixing random terms that they heard somethere together which arent even compatible with eachother such as Pan-Turkism and Ottoman empire in the same phrase. :rofl:

Oh boy, at least do your research before humiliating yourselves, you dont sound smart,neither do your posts sound substantive to people with knowledge, or even better just stop polluting the forum with your nonsense. :disagree:
you and your people are nothing but fools
want the HQ-9 for emergency?
sorry no storage.build one yourself with in 20 years?
 
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they are already crazy
they dream to get back to the ottoman time and they even do not know they do not have that power and ottoman empire is actually a weak country.
they think they can build the Pan-Turkism state.
they are like a moth to the flame.

They still have politicians with sound mind, but, the national politics seems to be arrested by a clique led by the president. The secular minded people are disempowered. And with anti-secular deeply sectarian religious education going on for a decade now, I do not want to imagine the intellectual make up of the upcoming generations.

As I said, a considerable portion of people are feeling helpless there.

And Syrian situation just made it worse. The overt radicalization of the government, interestingly enough, started from the 2010s, with the Arab riots. A grand, region-wide project seems to be underway. The result will likely be a Levant with borders re-defined.

A viable state of Kurdistan bordering Turkey is a reality now.

Turkey = ISIS

It's so pathetic and hypocritical that Turkey complains that US is not a true ally, but how about Turkey stabbing in your allies back by supporting ISIS, which has sworn to destroy west, simply as long as ISIS are killing Kurds in addition to other genocide.

Remember last year, the ISIS siege against Kobani, Turks tanks just sit idly while US airplanes pounding ISIS. Do you call that an ally?

Nonetheless, US also backstabbed Turkey, I guess, and I understand the frustration on part of the Turkey's high leadership. Interestingly, it is only Turkey that is the steadfast about regime change in Syria. It is only Turkey right now that is offering real tangible help to foreign militia in Syria.

All the other actors changed their position. Turkey stubbornly keeps its position, trying to utilize its geographic advantages to destabilize Syria. But there seems to be no clear policy.

Great powers may make mistakes and simply change course. Small powers have no such luxury. If they do, they pay a price. Turkey is paying a heavy price.

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Syrian Peace Plan: US Seethes at Its Humiliation by Russia

This is a long article. But a nice one. It says:

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A very well sourced article, which has recently appeared in The Wall Street Journal (attached below), shows the extent of the policy disarray in Washington following the US-Russian “cessation of hostilities” agreement.

It seems there has been a massive row.

The heads of the US military and the CIA are clearly furious at the way in which they feel the US has been humiliated, and in a series of angry meetings in the White House they have made their feelings known.

Though they rationalise their anger with talk about how Russia cannot be trusted, and how US allies in the regions like the Turks and the Saudis feel betrayed, that is what it amounts to.

These recriminations have slipped into the open, as shown by the recent angry comments of Mark Toner, the US State Department’s deputy spokesman, who in exceptionally crude and undiplomatic language called on Russia in Syria “to put up or shut up”.

These comments have provoked a stern rebuke from Maria Zakharova, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s formidable spokeswoman, whilst Alexey Pushkov, the Chairman of the State Duma’s committee for foreign affairs, has twisted the knife by Tweeting that

"A deputy spokesman of the U.S. Department of State has broken down - frayed nerves. In the United States lots of people regard the ceasefire in Syria as a defeat: the papers are indignant and the neoconservatives are shocked.”

The difficulty the US hardliners face is that for all the brave talk of a Plan B they have no realistic alternative to offer.

The Wall Street Journal reports US officials saying that “neither (US Defence Secretary Ash) Carter nor Gen. Dunford had formally submitted recommendations to Mr. Obama” and the suggestions mentioned the article - stepping up arms supplies to the rebels, providing them with battlefield intelligence, or imposing further economic sanctions on Russia - hardly amount to practical recommendations Obama can use..."
 
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They still have politicians with sound mind, but, the national politics seems to be arrested by a clique led by the president. The secular minded people are disempowered. And with anti-secular deeply sectarian religious education going on for a decade now, I do not want to imagine the intellectual make up of the upcoming generations.

As I said, a considerable portion of people are feeling helpless there.

And Syrian situation just made it worse. The overt radicalization of the government, interestingly enough, started from the 2010s, with the Arab riots. A grand, region-wide project seems to be underway. The result will likely be a Levant with borders re-defined.

A viable state of Kurdistan bordering Turkey is a reality now.



Nonetheless, US also backstabbed Turkey, I guess, and I understand the frustration on part of the Turkey's high leadership. Interestingly, it is only Turkey that is the steadfast about regime change in Syria. It is only Turkey right now that is offering real tangible help to foreign militia in Syria.

All the other actors changed their position. Turkey stubbornly keeps its position, trying to utilize its geographic advantages to destabilize Syria. But there seems to be no clear policy.

Great powers may make mistakes and simply change course. Small powers have no such luxury. If they do, they pay a price. Turkey is paying a heavy price.

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Syrian Peace Plan: US Seethes at Its Humiliation by Russia

This is a long article. But a nice one. It says:

"
A very well sourced article, which has recently appeared in The Wall Street Journal (attached below), shows the extent of the policy disarray in Washington following the US-Russian “cessation of hostilities” agreement.

It seems there has been a massive row.

The heads of the US military and the CIA are clearly furious at the way in which they feel the US has been humiliated, and in a series of angry meetings in the White House they have made their feelings known.

Though they rationalise their anger with talk about how Russia cannot be trusted, and how US allies in the regions like the Turks and the Saudis feel betrayed, that is what it amounts to.

These recriminations have slipped into the open, as shown by the recent angry comments of Mark Toner, the US State Department’s deputy spokesman, who in exceptionally crude and undiplomatic language called on Russia in Syria “to put up or shut up”.

These comments have provoked a stern rebuke from Maria Zakharova, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s formidable spokeswoman, whilst Alexey Pushkov, the Chairman of the State Duma’s committee for foreign affairs, has twisted the knife by Tweeting that

"A deputy spokesman of the U.S. Department of State has broken down - frayed nerves. In the United States lots of people regard the ceasefire in Syria as a defeat: the papers are indignant and the neoconservatives are shocked.”

The difficulty the US hardliners face is that for all the brave talk of a Plan B they have no realistic alternative to offer.

The Wall Street Journal reports US officials saying that “neither (US Defence Secretary Ash) Carter nor Gen. Dunford had formally submitted recommendations to Mr. Obama” and the suggestions mentioned the article - stepping up arms supplies to the rebels, providing them with battlefield intelligence, or imposing further economic sanctions on Russia - hardly amount to practical recommendations Obama can use..."
yeah,like what we did in the education about japan which made us hate japan for more than 30 years.which we still in now,but we have more reasonablenesses
the turks still in a illusion that we have in 1970s which is crazy to believe they are the strongest and the defeated chinese like 5000 years ago in their school books
 
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stupid I heard those on facebook from a french fwe months ago.
the freach thinks you are the ISIS and they want to hit you hard.

you and your people are nothing but fools
want the HQ-9 for emergency?
sorry no storage.build one yourself with in 20 years?

Oh boy if you would have seen what people saying about chinese you probably could defect to Japan. Who cares what french says, oh wait.. you do? After all it's you who built a fake ghost paris city with eiffel tower :D you euro-wannabee boys..

And it's us who abondened russian copied-pasted HQ deal. We have great brands with huge self-confidence to build it in-home already testing missiles in the level of short, developing to medium to long range shield. It will not be ready overnight, it could take 10 years but what does even matter, in the end it will be ready. Meanwhile Nato have a mission to support our air defence structure. Follow Turkish section even more.

yeah,like what we did in the education about japan which made us hate japan for more than 30 years.which we still in now,but we have more reasonablenesses
the turks still in a illusion that we have in 1970s which is crazy to believe they are the strongest and the defeated chinese like 5000 years ago in their school books

Talking as you know something. I find it hilarious how chinese talk like with built-in wikipedia in your brains... Really doesn't even worth replying but... amusing comments you guys have.. You think Turkey has a brain-washing system like china has? :D
 
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Midnight in Damascus

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Daddy Stole My Invasion

Meanwhile, the much-ballyhooed joint invasion of Syria by Turkey and Saudi Arabia is not going to happen because His Masters' Voice vetoed it — as Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu was forced to explain. He essentially admitted that the invasion would need the agreement of all members of the US-led-from-behind coalition fighting ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. Unfortunately, they are scared to death of being decimated by the Russian Air Force. So they might as well cozily revert to the "cessation of hostilities" charade.

On what really counts — the Syrian theatre of war — the most pressing issue is whether the SAA will finally be able to control Aleppo and environs, continue to rule in Latakia, and manage to configure Idlib as a Saudi remote-controlled Army of Conquest enclave cut off from almost all sides and depending solely on Ankara, which for its part won't dare a face-to-face with the Russian Air Force.

Turkey's Rogue Position Creates Ceasefire Issues in Syria

It's no wonder Turkey's Sultan Erdogan fears this ceasefire business like the plague. Because he's got nothing; at best a vague promise, extorted by Team Obama, that Syrian Kurds won't keep advancing to smash either ISIS/ISIL/Daesh along the border, or pockets of al-Qaeda in Syria.

In return, Ankara shall desist from its Syrian invasion and that dream of a 10 km "safe zone" inside Syrian territory to keep away the Kurds and facilitate the re-weaponizing of its Islamist proxies. Ankara's favorite Jabhat al-Nusra, by the way, remains active north of Aleppo, and in the Turkmen regions of Latakia and Azaz (in the Turkish-Syrian border).

What Team Obama seems to have finally understood — and "seems" is the operative word — is that neither ISIS/ISIL/Daesh nor al-Nusra could ever "unify" Syria; assuming 60% of Syria's population is Sunni, what matters is that over half are secular and do support Damascus against all those Turk/Saudi-supported Salafi-jihadi crazies.

Will this all be enough to assure the success of the "cessation of hostilities" charade? Hardly. Keep calm and carry on (watching). Plan B remains Return of the Living Dead material.
 
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yeah,like what we did in the education about japan which made us hate japan for more than 30 years.which we still in now,but we have more reasonablenesses
the turks still in a illusion that we have in 1970s which is crazy to believe they are the strongest and the defeated chinese like 5000 years ago in their school books

Sorry but don't confuse us to chinese. You people have 0 self confidence, extreme inferiority complex that you try to hide with other things lol. We don't hold grudges to nobody because we a strong enough to forget it. You are like Armenians and Greeks lol, constantly thinking about Japan, trying to beat them and be better than them because you was their slaves, while your economy and military is much more powerful. That's what I call a country and people with inferiority complexes.
 
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stupid I heard those on facebook from a french fwe months ago.
the freach thinks you are the ISIS and they want to hit you hard.


you and your people are nothing but fools
want the HQ-9 for emergency?
sorry no storage.build one yourself with in 20 years?
Yeah as i thought your source is Facebook, you are just a waste of time, stop polluting the forum.

And for HQ-9, it is Turkey that refused your offer, if there is an emergency we can get Aster or Patriot we dont need your S-300 copy, now shoo.
 
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Yeah as i thought your source is Facebook, you are just a waste of time, stop polluting the forum.

And for HQ-9, it is Turkey that refused your offer, if there is an emergency we can get Aster or Patriot we dont need your S-300 copy, now shoo.
just copy one,please let me see those turk AA missile systems.
you can not even build a jet fighter,a small war ship just a junk tank with engine from german shells from EU not one is made in turkey.
your country is nothing not even a strong power
save your words and go to work

Sorry but don't confuse us to chinese. You people have 0 self confidence, extreme inferiority complex that you try to hide with other things lol. We don't hold grudges to nobody because we a strong enough to forget it. You are like Armenians and Greeks lol, constantly thinking about Japan, trying to beat them and be better than them because you was their slaves, while your economy and military is much more powerful. That's what I call a country and people with inferiority complexes.
there were so many wars during the past 2000 years between china and japan,and the fact is japan never win once.
the turks lost and lost and lost in the past 200 years lost your country lost your souls and still thinking you are powerful
how can a dick country can not even build a jet call ifself powerful and your stupid leaders are doing business with ISIS
and killing those poor kurdish people who always fighting ISIS.
your terrorism state will be asskicked by russians and americans if you do not stop suporting ISIS.

Yeah as i thought your source is Facebook, you are just a waste of time, stop polluting the forum.

And for HQ-9, it is Turkey that refused your offer, if there is an emergency we can get Aster or Patriot we dont need your S-300 copy, now shoo.
the news that china refused turkey buying HQ-9 for emergency is flying all over the world.
the french said they will sell you theirs but it will cost so much money and a time about 40 month.
and after your surpporting ISIS attack paris they wont sell you any thing left your air space no defence.
come on,you are power enough you can build one,so let me see your home made weapons let them portect your country
but not some america made f16s eu made tanks.
you have no weapons that made in your country.coz you can not,you lack of tech and money but still dream to become the overlord of mideast.
this is as I said like a mothto the flame.do not against great powers like russia and stop doing stupid things like shoot down other countrys jets
you invade creek air space 50 times a year invade syria iraq the world have seen how stupid the turks are.
 
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Poor turkey, the only allies they have in the region is the equally weak states of saudi and israel plus the terrorists. Lmao this useless alliance is no match to Russia's superior military capabilities.
 
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Are Chinese allowed to insult other countries as they wish?
 
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they think they can build the Pan-Turkism state.

thats what the chinese are afraid of..

turko mongols must have give you a big slap that you never forgot.. maybe because of that you didnt drink or eat milk products some time before.. (just barbars eat and drink milk products) ?

if you hate them so much cant cou turn to your old behavior?

just copy one,please let me see those turk AA missile systems.
you can not even build a jet fighter,a small war ship just a junk tank with engine from german shells from EU not one is made in turkey.
your country is nothing not even a strong power
save your words and go to work


there were so many wars during the past 2000 years between china and japan,and the fact is japan never win once.
the turks lost and lost and lost in the past 200 years lost your country lost your souls and still thinking you are powerful
how can a dick country can not even build a jet call ifself powerful and your stupid leaders are doing business with ISIS
and killing those poor kurdish people who always fighting ISIS.
your terrorism state will be asskicked by russians and americans if you do not stop suporting ISIS.


the news that china refused turkey buying HQ-9 for emergency is flying all over the world.
the french said they will sell you theirs but it will cost so much money and a time about 40 month.
and after your surpporting ISIS attack paris they wont sell you any thing left your air space no defence.
come on,you are power enough you can build one,so let me see your home made weapons let them portect your country
but not some america made f16s eu made tanks.
you have no weapons that made in your country.coz you can not,you lack of tech and money but still dream to become the overlord of mideast.
this is as I said like a mothto the flame.do not against great powers like russia and stop doing stupid things like shoot down other countrys jets
you invade creek air space 50 times a year invade syria iraq the world have seen how stupid the turks are.

plz read something about the crimes in china.. and stop your crocodile tears.. maybe if you use a vpn your government will not kill you..
 
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thats what the chinese are afraid of..

turko mongols must have give you a big slap that you never forgot.. maybe because of that you didnt drink or eat milk products some time before.. (just barbars eat and drink milk products) ?

if you hate them so much cant cou turn to your old behavior?



plz read something about the crimes in china.. and stop your crocodile tears.. maybe if you use a vpn your government will not kill you..
I can even buy drugs at store and no police can stop me.
I think your girls will be killed by stone if they go dating with boys your men will be killed by removing the head if he is a gay.
that is your country.that is your crimes.useless and stupid we even do not afraid those americans why we should afraid such a small poor and tech lacking country which still consider itself a powerful and could rule from vienna to the great wall.
we just think your pathetic country is overreached itself and your ignoran people are still in a dream.
your people have no contribution to the human kind even do not have a history since 1453.
whatever there is turkey or not the world goes well like itself right now,but without china russia USA and the EU states like
germany the world will collapse.
save your words make your country strong enough and you can talk about those.

Are Chinese allowed to insult other countries as they wish?
coz you are supporting the ISIS and kill innocent kurdish people who always fighting ISIS and shoot down other country's jet and invade two of your neighbors.
you should be condemned by all humankind for your terrorism actions.
 
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I can even buy drugs at store and no police can stop me.
I think your girls will be killed by stone if they go dating with boys your men will be killed by removing the head if he is a gay.
that is your country.that is your crimes.useless and stupid we even do not afraid those americans why we should afraid such a small poor and tech lacking country which still consider itself a powerful and could rule from vienna to the great wall.
we just think your pathetic country is overreached itself and your ignoran people are still in a dream.
your people have no contribution to the human kind even do not have a history since 1453.
whatever there is turkey or not the world goes well like itself right now,but without china russia USA and the EU states like
germany the world will collapse.
save your words make your country strong enough and you can talk about those.


coz you are supporting the ISIS and kill innocent kurdish people who always fighting ISIS and shoot down other country's jet and invade two of your neighbors.
you should be condemned by all humankind for your terrorism actions.
What are you talking about? Did you think Turkey=Iran :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
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