Stalin killed Netaji, Subramanian Swamy says

[SledgeHammer]

How do you know that Nehru posed for that photo on purpose?



I agree with you. Unjustified vilification of Nehru has become a fashion.

Just for the argument's sake, in those days point and shoot cameras were not available, lot of adjustments were needed to get a photo of that quality?

I prefer not to be biased against anybody, in fact I defended Nehru in a long debate over his economic policies. My three main objections against him are 1. Undermining the democratic process to become the first PM of democratic India. 2. Nepotism and bad power politics setting up a bad precedence for India. 3. His dismal foreign and military policies and blunders. I think these are valid points. There is a possibility that Netaji's case falls within the point numbers 1 & 2.

 

[Indo-guy]

How do you know that Nehru posed for that photo on purpose?



I agree with you. Unjustified vilification of Nehru has become a fashion.

some people feel it as an 'intellectual' thing to do.... to cut the other intellectuals by size by vilifying them ..especially when they are dead ...and can't defend themselves ...

It boosts their low lying egos to great heights ....

 

[SarthakGanguly]

especially when they are dead ...and can't defend themselves

Nehruvianism is NOT dead. Even today it IS the preferred discourse of Indian intellect. Headless chickens run to defend him whenever 'Nehru' is even mentioned. I don't mean you, pls, dont take it that way.

 

[SledgeHammer]

The photo does not prove conclusively ..and yet the article begins with most fantastic line " ...Major revelation .."

so is not the major revelation an utter lie ???

Do you know what is the most poisonous lie ?

It is the half truth that is half told
a truth that blends with falsehood
and truth contrived to deceive ...

although the article in very cunning way makes 'soft' disclaimer ...it's major intention is to led people to believe that there is substantial evidence that Netaji may have been in USSR ....
It is gullible people like you who are led to believe in the lie that is admixed with softly spoken ' truth ' that this may not be the case ....The dishonesty of writer of the article is quite obvious ..and so also that of yours to post this obviously nonsense ...Many of these authors are well aware of flaws within their narratives ..and therefore they have these inbuilt face saving exits ...this is not totally confirmed and so on ...

you will off course deem my write up as rants because ...you and your 'holier than thou' research scholar and her gigantic discovery of Netaji in USSR stands exposed stark naked ....

Read the report:

COMMISSIONS / COMMITTEES |

Mukherjee Commission of Inquiry Report | MissionNetaji.org

First link is for the Justice Mukherjee Commission report, 2nd link is important parts of it.

 

[LaBong]

Nope, he was not. He was just an idealistic nincompoop whom Gandhi could control.

Very idiotic and simplistic for you to say. An idiolistic nincompoop who spent 10 years of his young life in british solitary prison and then went on to became pm of india for 20 years and laid the foundation of democratic republic of india which had the chance to self rule after 800 years! None of us has done even a fraction of what he did. Everyone at that time was controlled by Gandhi, except probably Jinnah and Bose who went separate ways. Gandhi was a force none could stand upto.

These guys were giants, lets not throw mud on them just because we hate Rahul Gandhi.



By the way none in Muslim League or Hindu Mahasava spent a day in jail during freedom struggle. Savarkat actually wrote "im yout most obdient servant" to british to buy his freedom.

Not a bad book, but Confessions of a Secular Fundamentalist is better.

Without going into the merit of the two books(although its more like comparing one night in callcenter with meghduta!!), the discovery of india shows Nehrus deep love for Indian civilization and his intimate connection to the identity of India which as a civilization existed for Millenia!

For all the tom toming of ancient India in recent time, I yet to see anything remotely as significant as this book.

How come? So Bose was a 'War Criminal'.

I think i was pretty clear in my post and nowhere did i say bose was an war criminal!

However one can't deny he had authoritarian tendencies and his association with facist Italy, nazi Germany and imperialistic Japan raise eyebrow. I know he did what he did for his selfless love for his country and what he thought for the best of India but I still think democracy would not have thrived under him.

Bose was also very secular( i know its crime to be one these days, but coudnt resist) as can be witnessed by his choice of person to lead INA.

Very true.

Good we agree on something at least, with that positive note, let me bid adieu for tonight.

 

[Indo-guy]

Nehruvianism is NOT dead. Even today it IS the preferred discourse of Indian intellect. Headless chickens run to defend him whenever 'Nehru' is even mentioned. I don't mean you, pls, dont take it that way.

what about headless chickens who jump the guns at very name of Nehru ?

and you probably got idea whom I am referring to as Headless chickens ?

Please take it the way I want you to ...

 

[LaBong]

Nehruvianism is NOT dead. Even today it IS the preferred discourse of Indian intellect. Headless chickens run to defend him whenever 'Nehru' is even mentioned. I don't mean you, pls, dont take it that way.

Its only natural to Nehruvinism to go. No ideology is permanent and evolving is the key to survive. However we dont have to insult Nehru and refuse to acknowledge his contribution just because we subscribe to a different ideology.

Although Im glad that Modi govt continue to follow non alignment and five years plan, albait with a new name.

 

[Indo-guy]

Read the report:

COMMISSIONS / COMMITTEES |

Mukherjee Commission of Inquiry Report | MissionNetaji.org

First link is for the Justice Mukherjee Commission report, 2nd link is important parts of it.

I will read at leisure .

my point was about the particular article you posted to drive your point .

Nowhere do I say that Netaji may or may not have been in USSR or elsewhere ....

I just say to make speculation based on one photograph without even verifying the origins and specifics of that photograph was wrong .

I am saying we should be careful when we post something like that ..

Truth may never be known that does not mean we just choose the truths of our choice and comforts .

frankly speaking even revelation of these commissions may not tell us if we are to believe how biased these commissions were ....

 

[SledgeHammer]

I will read at leisure .

my point was about the particular article you posted to drive your point .

Nowhere do I say that Netaji may or may not have been in USSR or elsewhere ....

I just say to make speculation based on one photograph without even verifying the origins and specifics of that photograph was wrong .

I am saying we should be careful when we post something like that ..

Truth may never be known that does not mean we just choose the truths of our choice and comforts .

frankly speaking even revelation of these commissions may not tell us if we are to believe how biased these commissions were ....

Fair enough.

There are many people who are trying to keep the issue alive and compel the govt. to reveal the truth, the articles, the speculations, etc. are for the purpose of keeping the pressure on the govt. I hope Netaji didn't sacrifice everything for an ungrateful nation that wouldn't care to know about his last days and his mortal remains. I also hope that you understand that there would hardly be anything to hide had he died in that plane crash.

 

[SAMEET]

I hope they declassify the files, that will put an end to the brilliantly crafted image of the genial "chacha" nehru

abd after that no more children day and all on his birthday !

Swamy is just a drunk scholar. Zaid Hamid has much deeper understanding on geopolitics.

How about a Swamy and Zaid Hamid 1 on 1 debate, I would watch that.

agreed that swamy is biased and he lie sometimes but zaid hamid he got serious mental issue !

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Bose was also very secular( i know its crime to be one these days, but coudnt resist) as can be witnessed by his choice of person to lead INA.

Among the leaders he chose only Col Shahnawaz Khan chose to stay in India. As for the rest like General Habib ur Rehman of the INA 1st Division went to Pakistan in 1947 and immediately trained mujaheeds, invaded and captured West Kashmir from evil Hindus.

Savarkat actually wrote "im yout most obdient servant" to british to buy his freedom

And Gandhi gladly accepted Bhagat Singh's hanging without batting an eyelid.

These guys were giants, lets not throw mud on them just because we hate Rahul Gandhi.

I don't hate Rahul Gandhi. I hate his politics. Not him. Nehru was no giant. He was a wannabe, a despot and a dreamer. And I am being more respectful to him than I should be. I don't deny his contributions (actually one) - that of ruling India non stop for 20 years. That gave us some stability. But that was not his primary intention. His Cabinet was a paper one, he ruled almost by diktats, made a mess of foreign policy, screwed up the military, institutionalized anti Hinduism as dominant state narrative etc. Nehru fans love him for these very reasons. But I don't for the same.

what about headless chickens who jump the guns at very name of Nehru ?

and you probably got idea whom I am referring to as Headless chickens ?

Please take it the way I want you to ...

I don't have chicken anymore. Only eggs. I try to keep my carbon footprint low. Your chicken innuendos are lost on me.

 

[SledgeHammer]

And Gandhi gladly accepted Bhagat Singh's hanging without batting an eyelid.

Sadly yes!

He did made a reluctant, half-hearted request though at the very end under severe criticism from inside & outside Congress. But he rather wanted Bhagat Singh dead than 'compromise on his ideologies'.

He didn't seem to consider death by hanging by British a form of violence though.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Sadly yes!

He did made a reluctant, half-hearted request though at the very end under severe criticism from inside & outside Congress. But he wanted Bhagat Singh dead than 'compromise on his ideologies'.

There are plenty of other examples that I can provide that are recorded and extremely embarrassing. From Chauri Chaura to Bose to Khilafat to 47, there are many examples that would hang the heads of Nehru-Gandhi Bhakts.

 

[Indo-guy]

There are plenty of other examples that I can provide that are recorded and extremely embarrassing. From Chauri Chaura to Bose to Khilafat to 47, there are many examples that would hang the heads of Nehru-Gandhi Bhakts.

why don't you elaborate them in a separate thread so that Gadhi- Nehru bhakts can hang their heads in shame and you can hold your head high with pride !!!

I will be glad to join the discussion in a separate thread .

Meanwhile stick to the topic and do not ruin the thread .

 

[axisofevil]

Very idiotic and simplistic for you to say. An idiolistic nincompoop who spent 10 years of his young life in british solitary prison and then went on to became pm of india for 20 years and laid the foundation of democratic republic of india which had the chance to self rule after 800 years! None of us has done even a fraction of what he did. Everyone at that time was controlled by Gandhi, except probably Jinnah and Bose who went separate ways. Gandhi was a force none could stand upto.

These guys were giants, lets not throw mud on them just because we hate Rahul Gandhi.



By the way none in Muslim League or Hindu Mahasava spent a day in jail during freedom struggle. Savarkat actually wrote "im yout most obdient servant" to british to buy his freedom.



Without going into the merit of the two books(although its more like comparing one night in callcenter with meghduta!!), the discovery of india shows Nehrus deep love for Indian civilization and his intimate connection to the identity of India which as a civilization existed for Millenia!

For all the tom toming of ancient India in recent time, I yet to see anything remotely as significant as this book.



I think i was pretty clear in my post and nowhere did i say bose was an war criminal!

However one can't deny he had authoritarian tendencies and his association with facist Italy, nazi Germany and imperialistic Japan raise eyebrow. I know he did what he did for his selfless love for his country and what he thought for the best of India but I still think democracy would not have thrived under him.

Bose was also very secular( i know its crime to be one these days, but coudnt resist) as can be witnessed by his choice of person to lead INA.



Good we agree on something at least, with that positive note, let me bid adieu for tonight.

Nehru was a rich kid who could engage in such acts. When many died in prisons, Nehru lived. He had great friendships with the British afterwards. Maybe he looked at this whole issue from his own perspective. To grab power.