SSN22 Sunburn missiles: How Pakistan can neutralise the threat of India's aircraft carrier!

[C130]

Barak 8 would eat Moskit.

 

[Mitro]

Disable the modern war ship is more important then completely destroyiing it. Pakistan has all the weapon it needs to do that and have delivery system in place so dont you worry .the system you said is all dada adam time not very effective in the time.
The people who say that pakistan don't have money are stupid pakistan is not poor country and expatriate can donate in billion when needed and when you have friend like china don't have to worry atall.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Salam!
I think it is necessary for Pakistan to buy so-called aircraft-carrier destroying missiles such as the Russian SSN22 'Sunburn' anti-ship missiles (That's the NATO name for them. I think they are called Moskit 570 by the Russians). These are allegedly the most powerful such weapons in the world and cannot be defended against. Surely it would be cheaper and more efficient to buy batteries of these to destroy their aircraft carrier - in case of future war with India (may is never happen) they use their aircraft carrier they bought from Russia to blockade Karachi? We could take it down with these!

If the Russian's don't sell us these -- I don't see why not, they did to Iran ! -- are there any other equivalent systems we can get? Or the Chinese must have them which they can sell to us. Maybe even the Iranians...?

Allahu Akbar! Ya Ali madad! Pakistan Zindabad!

Hi @sparrowhawk

The p-270 is very scary indeed, but it's also old, has a short range and is well known, and thus can be planned for and tested/defended against. Still, if one actually hits a ship say goodbye to it. The kinect energy alone will kill a cruiser-type target with a single hit. The warhead just makes sure the ship can't be salvaged.

For a look at the dangers of supersonic missiles, and their limitations, take a look at this thread:

All new CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) - Chinese Answer to Brahmos

For more information on the p-270, also known as the SS-N-22, here's a great thread.

Watch an SS-N-22 demolish its target!!!

Enjoy,

SvenSvensonov

 

[13 kumaon]

How India can neutralise the Pakistan's Navy? -----


Ans- Indian navy budget $ 4.77 billion.

 

[The Great One]

Hi @sparrowhawk

The p-270 is very scary indeed, but it's also old, has a short range and is well known, and thus can be planned for and tested/defended against. Still, if one actually hits a ship say goodbye to it. The kinect energy alone will kill a cruiser-type target with a single hit. The warhead just makes sure the ship can't be salvaged.

For a look at the dangers of supersonic missiles, and their limitations, take a look at this thread:

All new CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) - Chinese Answer to Brahmos

For more information on the p-270, also known as the SS-N-22, here's a great thread.

Watch an SS-N-22 demolish its target!!!

Enjoy,

SvenSvensonov

Has anyone ever wondered why the USN and USAF don't use supersonic cruise and anti-ship missiles? It isn't that they can't build them, they most certainly can, but that there are downsides to supersonic speeds. Yes, the kinetic energy of a high speed object is enough to defeat many ships without the need for a warhead and their speed complicates and shortens countermeasure responses, but the range and maneuverability of supersonic systems compromises their overall effectiveness. Subsonic systems such as the HN-2000 and its US counterpart the Tomahawk have long-ranges, can be reprogrammed for different targets mid-flight or have their flights terminated, they can loiter and look for targets, and they can carry massive payloads. Supersonic missiles have smaller payloads, but this tends to be offset by their kinetic energy, shorter ranges and shorter flight times which means that the missile cannot be reprogrammed for a different target. The Russians, seeing the limitations of supersonic missiles, have even begun to use subsonic systems with a last minute high-speed dash (the Klub system) instead of true supersonic missiles. Both have their limitations and each can be easily defeated. The CX-1 and similar systems are not the boogeyman that people claim they are either.

So you mean to say that LRASM-B got the boot because it was useless and not because 'DARPA aims to reduce risk and expedite delivery of cutting-edge capability to the fleet'.

 

[rockstar08]

Dude, Pakistan dont need an Air craft Carrier .. we have a small coast line to defend, India has big coast line with bigger enemy to take care aka China ..
we can easily break any Indian blockade but having a fleet somewhat like this ..

6-8 State of the Art Subs , with AIP
12-14 Frigates with potent Anti ship Missile + Good SAM System
2-4 Heavy DDG's aka Guided Missile Destroyers ..
2-4 Corvette ..
8-10 Missile boats aka Azmat Class
and last
2 Sqs like 30-36 Jf-17's or Mirage 2000k's specifically for PN ..

that fleet would be more than enough to break any possible blockade , and also can launch a aggressive Attack on Enemy .

A potent Sub with AIP technology is a nightmare for a A/C ... a sub is actually can be the game changer in any Naval warfare, unless its not detected ,it can be the cause of fear for anything floating on the sea ...

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Dude, Pakistan dont need an Air craft Carrier .. we have a small coast line to defend, India has big coast line with bigger enemy to take care aka China ..
we can easily break any Indian blockade but having a fleet somewhat like this ..

6-8 State of the Art Subs , with AIP
12-14 Frigates with potent Anti ship Missile + Good SAM System
2-4 Heavy DDG's aka Guided Missile Destroyers ..
2-4 Corvette ..
8-10 Missile boats aka Azmat Class
and last
2 Sqs like 30-36 Jf-17's or Mirage 2000k's specifically for PN ..

that fleet would be more than enough to break any possible blockade , and also can launch a aggressive Attack on Enemy .

A potent Sub with AIP technology is a nightmare for a A/C ... a sub is actually can be the game changer in any Naval warfare, unless its not detected ,it can be the cause of fear for anything floating on the sea ...

The subs will be inducted in near future.Also we already have 30 dedicated JFT`s for naval roles.We already have around 8 missile boats.The main problem comes for our surface fleet which has to fight against a much larger enemy.We have been hearing for different defence dealsfrom quite a while ago and nothing materialized.But now there r reports of sub deal to be signed.And i think the sub deal will change a lot for PN
P.S.The fleet u mentioned will be enough for not only breaking naval blockade but also destrying IN to some extent

 

[rockstar08]

The subs will be inducted in near future.Also we already have 30 dedicated JFT`s for naval roles.We already have around 8 missile boats.The main problem comes for our surface fleet which has to fight against a much larger enemy.We have been hearing for different defence dealsfrom quite a while ago and nothing materialized.But now there r reports of sub deal to be signed.And i think the sub deal will change a lot for PN
P.S.The fleet u mentioned will be enough for not only breaking naval blockade but also destrying IN to some extent

kindly post the source for this claim !?

 

[notsuperstitious]

Dude, Pakistan dont need an Air craft Carrier .. we have a small coast line to defend, India has big coast line with bigger enemy to take care aka China ..
we can easily break any Indian blockade but having a fleet somewhat like this ..

6-8 State of the Art Subs , with AIP
12-14 Frigates with potent Anti ship Missile + Good SAM System
2-4 Heavy DDG's aka Guided Missile Destroyers ..
2-4 Corvette ..
8-10 Missile boats aka Azmat Class
and last
2 Sqs like 30-36 Jf-17's or Mirage 2000k's specifically for PN ..

that fleet would be more than enough to break any possible blockade , and also can launch a aggressive Attack on Enemy .

A potent Sub with AIP technology is a nightmare for a A/C ... a sub is actually can be the game changer in any Naval warfare, unless its not detected ,it can be the cause of fear for anything floating on the sea ...

In terms of breaking a blockade, pakistan is actually restricted by geography. With not just our dedicated Mig 29 arm, but also with SU 30 MKS soon to fly with Brahmos, commercial shipping in and out of Pakistan is next to impossible.

Certainly pakistan can hurt our assets, thats a given, but will a commercial captain sail his boat in or out of pakistan with the knowledge that 45 Mig 29K and 40 SU 30 MKI with brahmos are out there?

This is not including our 8 destroyers, 15 frigets and 25 corvettes and building more of all of these as we speak...

 

[farhan_9909]

We really need to modify Shaheen I for antiship role with the help from china

 

[sparrowhawk]

Hi @sparrowhawk

The p-270 is very scary indeed, but it's also old, has a short range and is well known, and thus can be planned for and tested/defended against. Still, if one actually hits a ship say goodbye to it. The kinect energy alone will kill a cruiser-type target with a single hit. The warhead just makes sure the ship can't be salvaged.

For a look at the dangers of supersonic missiles, and their limitations, take a look at this thread:

All new CX-1 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) - Chinese Answer to Brahmos

For more information on the p-270, also known as the SS-N-22, here's a great thread.

Watch an SS-N-22 demolish its target!!!

Enjoy,

SvenSvensonov

Thanks for the link!
Here's a thought: can the Chinese supersonic Cx-1 be fitted with a tactical nuke?

Also, all it takes is one nuke dropped on an aircraft carrier from a fighter jet right to destroy it?!

God forbid but if all out war broke out between India and Pak then that would surely be an option?

 

[rockstar08]

In terms of breaking a blockade, pakistan is actually restricted by geography. With not just our dedicated Mig 29 arm, but also with SU 30 MKS soon to fly with Brahmos, commercial shipping in and out of Pakistan is next to impossible.

Certainly pakistan can hurt our assets, thats a given, but will a commercial captain sail his boat in or out of pakistan with the knowledge that 45 Mig 29K and 40 SU 30 MKI with brahmos are out there?

This is not including our 8 destroyers, 15 frigets and 25 corvettes and building more of all of these as we speak...

yeah and how beautifully you for the part to have 2 sqs of M2k's or Jf's ?? armed with Raad and Ck-400 , and other Missiles ? in war obviously a commercial ship will take precautions , but dont try to be over smart here , with the fleet i mentioned above , it wont take more than 24 hours to send your ships back to your ports with some holes and smoke
if you are trying to imagine a war scansion than take all accounts in consideration ... a Ship for ship , a plane for a plane and a missile for a missile ..

 

[notsuperstitious]

yeah and how beautifully you for the part to have 2 sqs of M2k's or Jf's ?? armed with Raad and Ck-400 , and other Missiles ? in war obviously a commercial ship will take precautions , but dont try to be over smart here , with the fleet i mentioned above , it wont take more than 24 hours to send your ships back to your ports with some holes and smoke
if you are trying to imagine a war scansion than take all accounts in consideration ... a Ship for ship , a plane for a plane and a missile for a missile ..

You missed the point. Given the geography, Indian lanes will remain open because you just can't threaten all our ports and shipping lanes, but thats not the case with you.

I never said you can not inflict damage on our assets. You can, but you can not protect shipping lanes. Fact. And commercia captains do no sail if the lanes are not protected.

 

[sparrowhawk]

this is just a movie (The Sum of All Fears) but it shows a US aircraft carrier being sunk by missiles fired by Soviet Tu-22 bombers...(conventional).

 

[rockstar08]

You missed the point. Given the geography, Indian lanes will remain open because you just can't threaten all our ports and shipping lanes, but thats not the case with you.

I never said you can not inflict damage on our assets. You can, but you can not protect shipping lanes. Fact. And commercia captains do no sail if the lanes are not protected.

i do say all commercial captains will take precautions , and in case of war the most important thing is to keep the supply of Oil , and if we can hit your assets floating on the edge of our coast line than how you plan to ht those ships ? dude you have to accept that if we have the fleet consist of the above list i mentioned you can have a blockade more than 24 hours , if you want to live in denial ... than sure