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The 19-crew, 855t displacement, Andrasta submarine, announced by DCNS in September 2008, has been optimised for littoral operations in coastal waters, but remains a formidable adversary in blue (deep) water environments.
The submarine is named after Andrasta, the Celtic goddess of war whose name means victorious or invincible. The prime contractor, DCNS, considers that the Andrasta has no equivalent for littoral missions in terms of manoeuvrability and stealth.

Andrasta submarine design

The submarine design draws heavily on the proven configuration and systems adopted for the Scorpene family and has about 70% commonality with the Scorpene. The Andrasta surfaced displacement is 855t compared to the 1,790t to 2,010t displacement of the Scorpene. The submarine incorporates the same level of safety, stealth signatures and systems integration as the Scorpene.

The Andrasta can lurk on the seabed in coastal waters where the water depth is typically less than 100m. At a speed of 4kt the range is more than 3,000nm and more than 1,800nm at 8kt.
Andrasta is being presented to world markets at about half the cost of attack submarines such as the Scorpene. The Andrasta design can incorporate extra performance options which are not mandatory for littoral missions but which customer countries may require, without degrading the submarine’s efficiency.
For specials operations, the Andrasta has a deployment airlock for combat swimmers, electronic warfare and intelligence gathering systems.

Andrasta missions

The submarine missions cover anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence gathering, special operations, offensive mine mooring, covert tracking of illegal activities, single ship operations and cooperative operations with other ships or maritime assets. The Andrasta is equipped to communicate easily with other assets and command centres.

Hull design

The double-hull structure gives good survivability and surfaced sea keeping characteristics. An X-configuration rudder has independently operated surfaces for a high level of manoeuvrability including a small turning radius.
The small hull helps contribute to the submarine's stealth characteristics. The submarine has a diving depth to 200m and a submerged endurance of five days. It also has a very low acoustic and visual signature.

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Command and control

The Andrasta is equipped with the DCNS SUBTICS submarine tactical integrated combat system. SUBTICS systems are in operation aboard Scorpene submarines of the Chilean Navy and Agosta 90B submarines for the Pakistan Navy
The combat management system is integrated with the sonar and other sensors (optical, optronic, electronic support measures, radar) and carries out the location and identification of vessels, target tracking, tactical analysis, decision making, action management, exchange of tactical data via datalinks, the control of weapons systems and engagement of targets.
The submarine is equipped with high-precision navigation and surveillance systems for operation in littoral waters. Surveillance missions can be successfully carried out while the submarine is at rest on the seabed.

Weapons

The Andrasta can accommodate new-generation heavyweight torpedoes such as the Black Shark, anti-ship missiles such as the Exocet SM-39 and a mine-laying system. The torpedoes and missiles are stored and carried in the six forward torpedo tubes. The small hull size of the submarine does not accommodate torpedoes and missiles for reload.
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Special forces

The Andrasta submarines, which can carry two passengers plus a team of six divers, can be deployed for special forces missions which gives the Andrasta an enhanced attack capability comparable to larger submarines. The submarine is fitted with a lock-out / lock-in chamber for combat swimmers.
 
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We need subs in the small category as well in the bigger Agosta 90B / Yuan / Song Class ones.

Smaller ones can take care of things within the 200-300NM range of the coast, while the longer ones can take care of targets at longer ranges.

Smaller ones being less expensive gives the option of fielding more numbers of such subs, thus giving more headache to the enemy.

Also, we should try to always have a western platform, thus it can keep us in the know how of what is latest from the western side and then we can compare or have a benchmark for what the Chinese option should be.
 
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we better start like iran

and built a submarine with atleast 500tonnes displacement

will give us ability later to manufacture larger submarine at home
 
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Although it was good for the PN to have requested the GoP in 2000 for the building of 3rd Shipyard at KE&SWs along with a Naval Base in Gwadr along with 3 Mega Ship yards which can be named as GE&SWs. More over we ca upgrade the Agosta-70s between 2000-2001 for coastal patrol within and outside Pakistani waters. And also for Agosta-90Bs, instead of building the 2nd one they should have build the 2nd and the 3rd one simultaneously and then 4th and 5th one with the AIP systems and then 6th and 7th one with the same AIP and upgrading the 1st, 2nd and 3rd one later when they are going to overhaul it.
So we might have 7 super subs in 2012:
7 Agosta-90P
2 Agosta-70 in service till 2018.

Most Importantly one thing which we talked about it is that we should have some Western tech like doing JV with French over this "SSK Andrasta" on 25% and We might have done JV with Germans on their U-212s in 2000 that can help us a lot. So other than Agosta-90Bs, we might also have a fleet of till 2012/2013:
7 Agosta-90P(new designation)
7 U-212P

and for Coastal Patrols
2 Agosta-70s
3-5 SSK ANDRASTA
and continued it production of about 3-5 coastal SSK submarines along with 7 SSK with AIPs in every five years.
 
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Time waste we should just focus on 6 submarines from China and add may be 3 german submarines and we are set for 10 years
 
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No waste! I am talking about a JV with French or Germans on SSKs as well as on Coastal SSKs.

Although we should have planned in such a way that we would have 21 SSKs with AIP and 11 Coastal SSKs till 2020 along with 17+ F-22P class frigates with three different Blocks and 11 1700-2100 Corvettes.
 
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We need subs in the small category as well in the bigger Agosta 90B / Yuan / Song Class ones.

Smaller ones can take care of things within the 200-300NM range of the coast, while the longer ones can take care of targets at longer ranges.

Smaller ones being less expensive gives the option of fielding more numbers of such subs, thus giving more headache to the enemy.

Also, we should try to always have a western platform, thus it can keep us in the know how of what is latest from the western side and then we can compare or have a benchmark for what the Chinese option should be.
Sir we need to have 12 Submarines at least and 20 Firgates as soon as possible because our enemies are growing both in number and size
 
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The 19-crew, 855t displacement, Andrasta submarine, announced by DCNS in September 2008, has been optimised for littoral operations in coastal waters, but remains a formidable adversary in blue (deep) water environments.
The submarine is named after Andrasta, the Celtic goddess of war whose name means victorious or invincible. The prime contractor, DCNS, considers that the Andrasta has no equivalent for littoral missions in terms of manoeuvrability and stealth.

Andrasta submarine design

The submarine design draws heavily on the proven configuration and systems adopted for the Scorpene family and has about 70% commonality with the Scorpene. The Andrasta surfaced displacement is 855t compared to the 1,790t to 2,010t displacement of the Scorpene. The submarine incorporates the same level of safety, stealth signatures and systems integration as the Scorpene.

The Andrasta can lurk on the seabed in coastal waters where the water depth is typically less than 100m. At a speed of 4kt the range is more than 3,000nm and more than 1,800nm at 8kt.
Andrasta is being presented to world markets at about half the cost of attack submarines such as the Scorpene. The Andrasta design can incorporate extra performance options which are not mandatory for littoral missions but which customer countries may require, without degrading the submarine’s efficiency.
For specials operations, the Andrasta has a deployment airlock for combat swimmers, electronic warfare and intelligence gathering systems.

Andrasta missions

The submarine missions cover anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence gathering, special operations, offensive mine mooring, covert tracking of illegal activities, single ship operations and cooperative operations with other ships or maritime assets. The Andrasta is equipped to communicate easily with other assets and command centres.

Hull design

The double-hull structure gives good survivability and surfaced sea keeping characteristics. An X-configuration rudder has independently operated surfaces for a high level of manoeuvrability including a small turning radius.
The small hull helps contribute to the submarine's stealth characteristics. The submarine has a diving depth to 200m and a submerged endurance of five days. It also has a very low acoustic and visual signature.

ee4d113c-f7fa-443d-a143-02ef3449a23e.Large.jpg

Command and control

The Andrasta is equipped with the DCNS SUBTICS submarine tactical integrated combat system. SUBTICS systems are in operation aboard Scorpene submarines of the Chilean Navy and Agosta 90B submarines for the Pakistan Navy
The combat management system is integrated with the sonar and other sensors (optical, optronic, electronic support measures, radar) and carries out the location and identification of vessels, target tracking, tactical analysis, decision making, action management, exchange of tactical data via datalinks, the control of weapons systems and engagement of targets.
The submarine is equipped with high-precision navigation and surveillance systems for operation in littoral waters. Surveillance missions can be successfully carried out while the submarine is at rest on the seabed.

Weapons

The Andrasta can accommodate new-generation heavyweight torpedoes such as the Black Shark, anti-ship missiles such as the Exocet SM-39 and a mine-laying system. The torpedoes and missiles are stored and carried in the six forward torpedo tubes. The small hull size of the submarine does not accommodate torpedoes and missiles for reload.
9c4d1588-09e3-4a52-aa0b-80d4fff1a52e.Large.jpg

Special forces

The Andrasta submarines, which can carry two passengers plus a team of six divers, can be deployed for special forces missions which gives the Andrasta an enhanced attack capability comparable to larger submarines. The submarine is fitted with a lock-out / lock-in chamber for combat swimmers.

SSK Andrasta is a Unproven and Concept as of Now. Not even French who have proposed the Design have Orderd one. Do you think Pakistan would like to take chance for an Unproven and Minisub ???

Logically NO.......Dont want to Risk my crew!!
 
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Why don't India buy a dozen of these submarines....? 6 each for both eastern and western command...:D
 
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SSK Andrasta is a Unproven and Concept as of Now. Not even French who have proposed the Design have Orderd one. Do you think Pakistan would like to take chance for an Unproven and Minisub ???

Logically NO.......Dont want to Risk my crew!!

So its much better for PN to join in now to learn it in a better way.
 
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dont you worry some days later a rumor would start that PN is getting 6 of these, and then it will die out like yuan story
 
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