SRI LANKA PRESSES AHEAD WITH NEW FIGHTER PLANS

[WOW_FACTOR]

na i dont speak english..my first language is urdu
i think i understood what he said, i just pointed out that it is not true
india is using every tactic possible to stop the sale without giving alternatives

Bro we have no clashes with you and congratulate you on your fighter Jet, Its what required by sri lankans that we are discussing. Russians are now going for yak 130 aircraft and in this neither india or pak benefit.

 

[Hamza913]

Well fault is not in our Pilots sirji, Its the godamm Russian Spare parts that have been headache since Mig 21 bis times. Maximum errors are due to Structural defect in aircrafts like Mig 21, Mig 27, mig 29. Su 30 mki serviceability is quite low due to trickle down of spare part. After Russia we are the single most user of Russian Aircrafts and still this happens. Only our Mirage 2000 has crash free history. Even Our LCA tejas had 30000 Hrs of flying without any defects in test flights. Russians are brilliant but execution and service is extremely poor.

You should be happy that PAF flies the most error free air craft F 16 . Even Jf 17 engine is Russian and that gives Goosebumps regarding the serviceability quality of the engine.

It's the fault of pilots, for the most part. If a MiG-21 or 27 crashes, I can understand that it's obsolete technology that needs to begone with. But a MiG-29 or Su-30? Those shouldn't be crashing, especially considering the moves a Su-30 can pull off. Your Tejas has a crash free history because there are a much smaller of number of them in service, once Tejas is inducted properly the planes will start to crash. Same for the Mirage, since you only have 47 of them.

The F-16 is quite easy to use yes I can agree, so is the JF-17. But yes I would prefer a non Russian engine.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Only in your day dreams.

Sri Lanka Cabinet has already rejected JF-17.

They will most probably go for Russian jets.In fact in 2008, SL was on verge of ordering MiG-29SMTs but had to cancel it because war with LTTE needed funds and SL economy was still reeling from Tsunami aftermath.

http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2016/05/01/fierce-dragon-wheeler-dealers-pounding-sri-lanka-air-force/

They did reject it; but Pakistani-SL have reentered talks.

 

[WOW_FACTOR]

It's the fault of pilots, for the most part. If a MiG-21 or 27 crashes, I can understand that it's obsolete technology that needs to begone with. But a MiG-29 or Su-30? Those shouldn't be crashing, especially considering the moves a Su-30 can pull off. Your Tejas has a crash free history because there are a much smaller of number of them in service, once Tejas is inducted properly the planes will start to crash. Same for the Mirage, since you only have 47 of them.

The F-16 is quite easy to use yes I can agree, so is the JF-17. But yes I would prefer a non Russian engine.

Sir Please Check on Google the structural defects on Mig 29. Su 30 mki has crashed due to spare part unavailability. Su 30 and rest flankers were grounded in Russia and Central Asians countires from time to time.

F 16 bohat aala Aircraft hai and so is Jf 17. but whenever get a chance replace the engine as Russians are worse in service. Our Defence Minister recently had a meeting with IAF and HAL for solving the low availability of Spare parts for Su 30 MKI. Su 30 MKI crucial part is the engine and when that is not right. As encountered by our best aircrafts , the thrust vectoring engine has a tendency to stall mid air, which has led to engine crashes. We too now need aircrafts that are faster to respond, Easy to maintain, carry loads of weapons and that can compliment Su 30 mki in missions. Hopefully HAL tejas will solve the issue of spare parts as 60% made in india except the Engine , and radar. Russians engine tend to stall mid air, Black smoke and top speed can only be achieved during after burn which greatly reduces engine life compared to Sncema , GE.

 

[Hamza913]

Sir Please Check on Google the structural defects on Mig 29. Su 30 mki has crashed due to spare part unavailability. Su 30 and rest flankers were grounded in Russia and Central Asians countires from time to time.

F 16 bohat aala Aircraft hai and so is Jf 17. but whenever get a chance replace the engine as Russians are worse in service. Our Defence Minister recently had a meeting with IAF and HAL for solving the low availability of Spare parts for Su 30 MKI. Su 30 MKI crucial part is the engine and when that is not right. As encountered by our best aircrafts , the thrust vectoring engine has a tendency to stall mid air, which has led to engine crashes. We too now need aircrafts that are faster to respond, Easy to maintain, carry loads of weapons and that can compliment Su 30 mki in missions. Hopefully HAL tejas will solve the issue of spare parts as 60% made in india except the Engine , and radar. Russians engine tend to stall mid air, Black smoke and top speed can only be achieved during after burn which greatly reduces engine life compared to Sncema , GE.

Alright, fair point. Still think our pilots are better though, can anyone in the IAF match MM Alam, Sattar Alvi or Saiful Azam?

 

[WOW_FACTOR]

Your military has a much bigger budget, I think something more than just technology plays a part, because if it was just tech our planes should be crashing even more. Oh and can anyone in the IAF match MM Alam, Sattar Alvi or Saiful Azam?

Sir why is it always comes to Mine is better, mine is better . We too have Alfred Cooke just to name one. A fighter pilot whether Indian or Pakistani , they serve there country and are the best in equals. Also please check this article
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/russias-mig-29-fulcrum-super-fighter-or-super-failure-17054
this article will clear the so called competence of Mig 29

 

[Hamza913]

Sir why is it always comes to Mine is better, mine is better . We too have Alfred Cooke just to name one. A fighter pilot whether Indian or Pakistani , they serve there country and are the best in equals. Also please check this article
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/russias-mig-29-fulcrum-super-fighter-or-super-failure-17054
this article will clear the so called competence of Mig 29

Alfred Cooke only shot down one aircraft though, and sustained heavy damaged. Yes that's an achievement considering he was also under anti aircraft fire, but are there any other names you can give?

As for the latter article, the MiG-29 is a good fighter, it has performed well and had many successful sales. NATO propaganda will always try to downplay it, yes it's not at good as the Western equivalent the F-16, but it's still a good plane.

 

[WOW_FACTOR]

Alfred Cooke only shot down one aircraft though, and sustained heavy damaged. Yes that's an achievement considering he was also under anti aircraft fire, but are there any other names you can give?

As for the latter article, the MiG-29 is a good fighter, it has performed well and had many successful sales. NATO propaganda will always try to downplay it, yes it's not at good as the Western equivalent the F-16, but it's still a good plane.

Sir alfred cooke had a Hunter a slower and older airplane compared to Sabre. Its easy for us to sit here and comment but once be in pilot seat and feel to fight a faster enemy at hostile territory. Respect to the Pilots who have given there lives so as we can be comfortable for future generations.
Sir NATO may say this or that but combat records speak volumes. How many Mig 29 have been shot Vs F 16 / F 15 shot in fights. India after MIg 29 experience all IAF fighter want western fighters or Homemade TEjas. first serviceability of Russians is world renowned in aviation sector , spare parts are misery , No 2 engines are available at disposal , Russians are good with Missiles and cheaper Cost. All developed or Emerging countries go for Western aircrafts.

 

[Hamza913]

Sir alfred cooke had a Hunter a slower and older airplane compared to Sabre. Its easy for us to sit here and comment but once be in pilot seat and feel to fight a faster enemy at hostile territory. Respect to the Pilots who have given there lives so as we can be comfortable for future generations.
Sir NATO may say this or that but combat records speak volumes. How many Mig 29 have been shot Vs F 16 / F 15 shot in fights. India after MIg 29 experience all IAF fighter want western fighters or Homemade TEjas. first serviceability of Russians is world renowned in aviation sector , spare parts are misery , No 2 engines are available at disposal , Russians are good with Missiles and cheaper Cost. All developed or Emerging countries go for Western aircrafts.

The Hunter was better than the Sabre:

As for your 2nd paragraph, as I said before the MiG-29 is inferior to its Westen counterparts, you also have to keep in mind NATO mostly fights small and weak nations that might not have the best trained pilots around.

 

[SBD-3]

Its gonna be something coming from China. Russia, India, Pakistan or other platforms wont be able to get anything through.
My intuition tells me that its gonna be Chinese derivative of J-7BG (e.g. J-7SL) since
1-It offers enhanced capabilities to Srilanka at minimal costs (BVR+Precision strike capability)
2-It offers lowest of the price tag for new platforms
3-If offers financing arrangements by the way of credit.
4-It fits the SLAF requirements of having an operational squad with required capabilities.
5-It keeps dehli calm as it wont ring any alarm on Indian Borders so this way everyone i.e. China, India and Srilanka will be happy.

 

[Aero]

Yak 130, what the hell is this aircraft. Its trainer aircraft. Better take Mig 21 Bis from us for even less

It is a Advanced Trainer and Light Attack/COIN aircraft much better suited to Sri Lankan needs than Mig-21. It is also much more advanced than MiG-21.

 

[ziaulislam]

Its gonna be something coming from China. Russia, India, Pakistan or other platforms wont be able to get anything through.
My intuition tells me that its gonna be Chinese derivative of J-7BG (e.g. J-7SL) since
1-It offers enhanced capabilities to Srilanka at minimal costs (BVR+Precision strike capability)
2-It offers lowest of the price tag for new platforms
3-If offers financing arrangements by the way of credit.
4-It fits the SLAF requirements of having an operational squad with required capabilities.
5-It keeps dehli calm as it wont ring any alarm on Indian Borders so this way everyone i.e. China, India and Srilanka will be happy.

problem is china no longer build the f-7s

Shut the Fcuk up.. Read my post again before puking your verbal diarrhoea all around.. I didn't say that, we are not meddling, I have suggested that we should not meddle in Srilankan affairs.. learn to read and understand English properly first.. I've said that Srilankans have every right to choose the platform that best suits their requirements and India should not press too much on this issue..
Coming to the shame thing, Shame is something that you have to get from someone else before getting yourself embarrassed like this in a public forum for not properly reading and comprehending English..


Dumbass, I said we should not meddle.. It is future tense.. how do you know something to be true or false before even it happens.. Either you are a Djinn which possesses super natural abilities or you don't know basis tenses in English..

i thought indians have supernatural powers..
what ever you say doesnt matter..
india is still going to mess with us....
so it doesnt matter, future, past , present, india will not change
i know basic english, so does it mean i am a Djinn ...wow

 

[SBD-3]

problem is china no longer build the f-7s

that's a one sweeping statement. What makes you think they have? Probably you should have asked our Bangladeshi friends who just received brand new BG version a couple of years ago. J-7 is the fund magnet for small countries which can't invest in setting up new infrastructure for new and modern fighters. Chinese have kept transferring capabilities from other programs to J-7 to keep it alive and shining for 3rd world countries

 

[amardeep mishra]

Not true bro. India sends its Su 30 and Mig 29 engines for service to Russia, so I am sure jf 17 has to also get its engine overhaul and service done from there.

Hi @WOW_FACTOR
Dont you think it is wise not to speak when you dont know the reality? We not only have an engine manufacturing facility at KORAPUT HAL that manufactures AL-31(of course under license!) but there are various engine overhaul facilities as well. Koraput division has in fact started substituting some of the russian parts in their engine with indigenous parts. Kindly read about HAL's koraput division

 

[WOW_FACTOR]

Hi @WOW_FACTOR
Dont you think it is wise not to speak when you dont know the reality? We not only have an engine manufacturing facility at KORAPUT HAL that manufactures AL-31(of course under license!) but there are various engine overhaul facilities as well. Koraput division has in fact started substituting some of the russian parts in their engine with indigenous parts. Kindly read about HAL's koraput division

IF that is so, why is Su 30 mki availability lower then 60% on duty. Mig 29 develops structural cracks . Confirm the info pls.