Special Look at Pakistani Engineer Aga Waqar , water car Genius

[Chak Bamu]

If someone does not wish to understand, you can not make them understand.

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 , O meray bhai. Please stop making a fool of yourself. Trust me, Dr. Hoodbhoy is right and this Aga Waqar is a fraud. To find out why, try to study thermodynamics, if you can. You have made long multi-media posts. Spend a little time learning instead.

In Lahore, every once in a while a matric +/- (pass or fail) mechanic type tells me how he is going to make a machine that would make soooo much energy. I never fail to tell them to let me know how it goes. Often I see them again, but they never talk about their experience.

This Agha Waqar guy has no credibility, check out his background of shady government service. If you still want to persist. Go ahead and make a fool out of yourself. We are enjoying the show.

 

[forcetrip]

This Agha Waqar guy has no credibility, check out his background of shady government service. If you still want to persist. Go ahead and make a fool out of yourself. We are enjoying the show.

Not to mention that he got arrested for some robbery in 2010. This guy is a class act. Why is his simple kit not been stolen by Honda and their billion $ R&D departments by now. If a self proclaimed idiot has come up with it then I am sure the hordes of PHD's should have got somewhere with his genius idea Its been over 2 years for crying out loud. Common sense, not so common - like water in car.

 

[Bilal.]

Anyone who has studied basic secondary school level physics would know that this "invention" simply can't work. why people keep posting this stuff is beyond me.

 

[livingdead]

This has been discussed to death, when the news broke out. As most skeptics pointed out then, it is an obvious fraud.
Even if you dont know science, you will instinctively know its fraud.
AQ Khan made it a bit complicated for ordinary pakistanis.

Mods please close this thread.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Why to jump on water car.


Why not show this thing for much smaller things like water cycle

Water ricksaw

water pistol that is used as taser

water hooka (with self ignition, tobacco burner)

Water Lota (that electronically tickles Mullah's balls when does his daily istanja)

and the list goes on

p.s.
Hey @AZADPAKISTAN2009! Were you the one rubbishing Einstein in another thread?

 

[VCheng]

Anyone who has studied basic secondary school level physics would know that this "invention" simply can't work. why people keep posting this stuff is beyond me.

The interesting thing in this whole saga is not the fraudia himself. The interesting thing is the allegedly educated people who came out in support of this hoax, all the way up the so-called scientific chain in the whole country, and those who still persist in doing so.

Once the laughter stops, the scary realization sets in that the rotten education system that produced such thoughtless brains is deeply pervasive in the country, which is then followed by sheer horror of realizing the utter hopelessness about our competitiveness for the 21st century and beyond, taken as a whole, barring the occasional exception.

 

[BATMAN]

I am not a Ph.D, but a humble M.Sc. Chem. Eng’g and a senior member of American Institute of Chemical Engineers. I find it amazing that even though Pakistan is spending $16-billion per year on the import of petroleum products; I and other Pakistani scientists are accused of working for the ‘Petrol mafia’ and deliberately ignoring this genius! Do people think that the whole Pakistan Gov’t machinery is in on this conspiracy as well?

An average small car weighs between 1000 to 1500 KG. It generates about 60 -70 break horse power. This means you need to generate about 50 KJ per second access energy to run a small car.

The energy required to split water is 142J per gram. Also the energy produced when you combine when you combine Hydrogen with Oxygen thru burning to form water is also 142J/gram.

If you had a perfect system with no energy loss, energy generated by burning the hydrogen in the car engine is exactly the same as required to split water into Hydrogen and Oxygen. In the real world, there is an energy loss and energy required to split one gram of water is more than what will be generated by burning the hydrogen thus produced. The loss is about 48.7 KJ/mol (One mole of water weighs 18.0152 grams).

Hence there is no way the 50KJ per second energy required to run the car is available thru the process described by Agha Waqar.

It appears to me that very few of my countrymen are aware of the ‘Basic’ laws of Thermodynamics and insist on believing what is contrary to the laws of Physics. If this in any way reflects general standard of education in Pakistan, then we are really doomed.

Why not send the invention of this genius to ‘Nobel’ Committee. Agha Waqar has invented a perpetual motion machine; he surely deserves a ‘Nobel Prize’.

For those who still choose to believe the fraudster Agha Waqar. I suggest that you beg, borrow or steal, but finance Agha Waqar. There are more than 1-billion motor vehicles in the world. Who would want to pay for petrol when he can fill up from any tap? Even if you sell the conversion kit for $100(Rs10, 000), you would be as rich as Bill Gates by selling conversion kits all over the world.

Sir, how about using some chemical as catalyst in water or perhaps boiling water may need less energy to split than 142kJ as you suggested?

 

[Bilal.]

The interesting thing in this whole saga is not the fraudia himself. The interesting thing is the allegedly educated people who came out in support of this hoax, all the way up the so-called scientific chain in the whole country, and those who still persist in doing so.

Once the laughter stops, the scary realization sets in that the rotten education system that produced such thoughtless brains is deeply pervasive in the country, which is then followed by sheer horror of realizing the utter hopelessness about our competitiveness for the 21st century and beyond, taken as a whole, barring the occasional exception.

Ratta, pharra, booti and finally wasta and quota... Growth ladder of Pakistan's parasites. But there is a glimmer of hope in institutions like GIKI, NUST and centre of excellence like HEJ spread across our universities promoting genuine scientific and research culture and meritocracy.... I hope I am correct to assess that things are changing for the better.

 

[RescueRanger]

The interesting thing in this whole saga is not the fraudia himself. The interesting thing is the allegedly educated people who came out in support of this hoax, all the way up the so-called scientific chain in the whole country, and those who still persist in doing so.

Once the laughter stops, the scary realization sets in that the rotten education system that produced such thoughtless brains is deeply pervasive in the country, which is then followed by sheer horror of realizing the utter hopelessness about our competitiveness for the 21st century and beyond, taken as a whole, barring the occasional exception.

Yes you are correct, but there is light at the end of the tunnel there are institutes such as NUST that are doing amazing work:
NUST-SEECS (NUST School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science) about NUST-SEECS
Group for Research in Reconfigurable Architectures for Security in
Communication in CEFAR
http://www.nust.edu.pk/INSTITUTIONS...Research/Pages/Student-Research-Projects.aspx
SMART Lab, SEECS, NUST
http://www.nust.edu.pk/INSTITUTIONS...ngineering/Documents/ListofUGProjects-DME.pdf

 

[Jungibaaz]

Unless this guy has found a way around the second law of thermodynamics... I call BS.

Upon seeing the media coverage this guy got, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[Kloitra]

Sir, how about using some chemical as catalyst in water or perhaps boiling water may need less energy to split than 142kJ as you suggested?

You would waste energy one way or the other. Boiling needs energy too, not that it has any effect on water. Water molecules are stable even at high temperatures. Any addition of chemical result in some other side effect. Simplest way is to use a natural fuel. Any attempt to artificially create a chemical fuel generally results in potential costs, economic or calorific.

 

[BATMAN]

Unless this guy has found a way around the second law of thermodynamics... I call BS.

Upon seeing the media coverage this guy got, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I'm not saying he is right or wrong but how would you define solar energy?

Let's get out of the box of thermodynamics.... may be it is not defying any law at all.
What about law of expansion of gases, with increase in temperature?
What about change in bonding of molecules at higher temperatures?

Do you know, what is the efficiency of combustion engines? perhaps 40-60 percent, there's a huge margin of improving efficiency, if not by process than by design.... so potential is there to recycle the wasted 60-40% energy.
What if burning hydrogen under certain circumstances / pressure, give more combustion value than burning petro fuel?

I'm not a specialist or mod or TT , i just have questions.... i cannot reject the concept based on your one line statement 'i call it BS'

The guy is running a demo, which is triggering this discussion, lets explore, how is he cheating, after all the witnesses and analysts are educated and think tanks.

 

[Kloitra]

I'm not saying he is right or wrong but how would you define solar energy?

Let's get out of the box of thermodynamics.... may be it is not defying any law at all.
What about law of expansion of gases, with increase in temperature?
What about change in bonding of molecules at higher temperatures?

Do you know, what is the efficiency of combustion engines? perhaps 40-60 percent, there's a huge margin of improving efficiency, if not by process than by design.... so potential is there to recycle the wasted 60-40% energy.
What if burning hydrogen under certain circumstances / pressure, give more combustion value than burning petro fuel?

I'm not a specialist or mod or TT , i just have questions.... i cannot reject the concept based on your one line statement 'i call it BS'

There is a simple concept in physics. If you give a machine X amount of energy, it can do work of at most X amount, not more. Than there is one more concept. Every practical machine is inefficient. That is if you give them certain energy, they would only be able to do work, let's say, at most 90% of that energy.

This laws are unbreakable, you cannot go against them - which is what this water kit claims to do.

It claims to take X amount of energy from the battery, generate hydrogen, burn it again, drive the car and return the X amount of energy to the battery again.

If we assume it needs Y amount of energy to drive the car:

X amount is taken from the battery, Y is used to drive the car and X is given back to the battery.

Kit takes X amount of energy and does Y+X amount of work.

Means it does more work (Y+X) than the energy supplied to it (X). Which is in violation of most basic and infallible of the concept of physics.

 

[BATMAN]

There is a simple concept in physics. If you give a machine X amount of energy, it can do work of at most X amount, not more. Than there is one more concept. Every practical machine is inefficient. That is if you give them certain energy, they would only be able to do work, let's say, at most 90% of that energy.

This laws are unbreakable, you cannot go against them - which is what this water kit claims to do.

It claims to take X amount of energy from the battery, generate hydrogen, burn it again, drive the car and return the X amount of energy to the battery again.

If we assume it needs Y amount of energy to drive the car:

X amount is taken from the battery, Y is used to drive the car and X is given back to the battery.

Kit takes X amount of energy and does Y+X amount of work.

Means it does more work (Y+X) than the energy supplied to it (X). Which is in violation of most basic and infallible of the concept of physics.

Implement your ABCXYZ in DRDO, i'm talking totally different, answer my questions (if you may) or keep quite.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I'm not saying he is right or wrong but how would you define solar energy?

Let's get out of the box of thermodynamics.... may be it is not defying any law at all.
What about law of expansion of gases, with increase in temperature?
What about change in bonding of molecules at higher temperatures?

Do you know, what is the efficiency of combustion engines? perhaps 40-60 percent, there's a huge margin of improving efficiency, if not by process than by design.... so potential is there to recycle the wasted 60-40% energy.
What if burning hydrogen under certain circumstances / pressure, give more combustion value than burning petro fuel?

I'm not a specialist or mod or TT , i just have questions.... i cannot reject the concept based on your one line statement 'i call it BS'

The guy is running a demo, which is triggering this discussion, lets explore, how is he cheating, after all the witnesses and analysts are educated and think tanks.

Buddy, those are called 'laws' for a reason, you cannot go against them. It's not possible, if you want to speak theoretically, then fine, water car and anything else may be possible.

Some of the greatest scientists and thinkers hold this second law, the law of entropy as a God given truth.

In short, it aint possible.