Southern India’s Caste System Predates Arrival of Indo-Europeans

[livingdead]

This caste system is a huge problem in India. This caste system is spreading from tribal people and also effecting the modern people in India.


Best regards

caste system is part of hinduism( and the religion that preceded it), not from tribals. Tribals only have one division: our tribe and others.

 

[Icewolf]

caste system is part of hinduism( and the religion that preceded it), not from tribals. Tribals only have one division: our tribe and others.

Hinduism is practiced by tribals, which in turn practice caste system.

Thats why most incidents of Dalits being tortured are in tribal villages

 

[livingdead]

Hinduism is practiced by tribals, which in turn practice caste system.

Thats why most incidents of Dalits being tortured are in tribal villages

Thats not what you said in the previous post.
Also, hinduism is not practiced by all tribals, there are many tribes with their own religion. Tribal vs dalit could be due to competition for land (same true for most tribal-vs-non tribal fights)

 

[Icewolf]

Thats not what you said in the previous post.
Also, hinduism is not practiced by all tribals, there are many tribes with their own religion. Tribal vs dalit could be due to competition for land (same true for most tribal-vs-non tribal fights)

Thats what I meant.

I know alot Indian Tribals dont practice Hinduism, but this is not a land issue either. The Brahmins in the tribals kill even for a Dalit shadow on him

 

[janon]

Thats what I meant.

I know alot Indian Tribals dont practice Hinduism, but this is not a land issue either. The Brahmins in the tribals kill even for a Dalit shadow on him

Brahmins in the tribals? Look, you have got to stop this or start posting in the 'Stupid and funny' thread. You are degrading the level of discourse even for PDF.

 

[livingdead]

Thats what I meant.

I know alot Indian Tribals dont practice Hinduism, but this is not a land issue either. The Brahmins in the tribals kill even for a Dalit shadow on him

There are no brahmins in tribals. Tribals dont have caste system. There could be a guy who worships their god but he belongs to same tribe and usually chosed on the basis of his capability to talk to god, bit like your prophety stuff.
The next such worshipper could be from another family.

 

[trinity]

Caste system has been misinterpreted and changed due to foreign influences as well as domestic compulsions. If you look at the Vijayanagar Empire, when they went to war....... soldiers would come from all different castes. It did not matter as long you came to fight. Also, all castes were well trained to fight as warriors. So, what you see today as it is worse poses more questions? Why? Simple, foreign influences changed Hinduism and caste as much as they could to erase our identity. No matter how ppl try to malign Vedic culture but our hisotry indicates we made some profound discoveries for mankind. Sure, there negatvies but in a peaceful environment it could have changed for the better. We have a race against time and instead of complaining about secularists, take the time and make the effort to record from all sources including dalits, our elderly, regardless of caste.


Never forget when the Portuguese came to the Hampi they could believe the riches it held.

 

[akkamala]

GOI should deal with these people with IRON FIST

with pak terrorists?

 

[akkamala]

Hinduism is practiced by tribals, which in turn practice caste system.

Thats why most incidents of Dalits being tortured are in tribal villages

better than them being bombed out of their existance had they been practising islam

 

[ironman1]

if it will make some people shut up.

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Pakistan’s caste system: The untouchable's struggle
By Rabia MehmoodPublished: March 31, 2012

LAHORE: Sabir Arif, a student of finance and cost management in one of Lahore’s private institutions lives in a hut made of wood, cloth and plastic sheets. His only source of income is the private tuitions he provides to others to keep his makeshift home intact.
The son of a daily wager, Sabir is not a typical victim of abject poverty in the city. Reminiscing about how he read Russian literature when he came across old story books while picking garbage in class seven, Sabir says his great challenge in life has been his caste – that he was born a Deendar Changar – Pakistan’s version of the ‘untouchables’.
Contrary to popular belief, caste in Pakistan has been a means of systematic discrimination. The lower castes here are Pakistan’s downtrodden, including Massalis also known as Muslim Sheikhs, Choorahs who are majority Christian and Chamars or Changars who are also called Deendars if they practice Islam. In Punjab and Sindh these include the scheduled Hindu castes that serve as farm workers and bonded laborers.
Sabir admits that he faces greater discrimination than most of his “biradari” because he refused to stick to what is the generally acceptable position and career path of his caste. Living in the slums, and being considered lowest of the low in a society fixated on high and low birth, Sabir was always at the periphery, but his decision to pursue education did not sit well with the local community.
Muhammad Arif, his father who gets labor jobs with the help of his donkey cart, says he struggled with the decision of sending his children to school, “People of our biradari said that education was not for our people, that I should make Sabir help me with daily work, but I decided against it and have not sent my younger children to work as live-in domestic helpers like others in our community or forced them into working only.”
Discouraged, discriminated against and lacking any political identity, the city is now Sabir’s home, as it is easier for people of lower castes to access schooling and get odd jobs in urban hubs as compared to rural settings, where discrimination is far higher.
Abdul Rasheed Dholka, a political activist of Mazdoor Kissan Party in Sargodha has worked with lower caste farm workers, and says that in rare cases when young men from these communities are hired as peons or clerks, they try to cut off ties with their community and hide identity to avoid discrimination.
“Decades of oppression have led to circumstances where these people don’t even know how to stand up for their rights, because there is no representation,” he adds.
Dholka’s words reflect in Sabir’s thoughts, as the young man says he sometimes feels “like the Africans in South Africa or the Jews in Nazi Germany”. However, despite the twin challenges of poverty and his birth into the bottom of the social rung, Sabir manages to remain hopeful, and talks of changing the country into a better home someday.
Haris Gazdar, Director and Senior Researcher, Collective for Social Science Research in his paper “Class, Caste or Race: Veils over Social Oppression in Pakistan” argues that caste based marginalization is common in Pakistan.
“The trouble is that the biradaris and quoms are not all equal, and public silencing of the issue is very much about perpetuating existing hierarchies. The inequality is so severe and deeply embedded in parts of the country that it is hardly even noticed.”

Pakistan

 

[phylumchordata]

I'm talking about Aryan and Caucasian people (Europe, North Africa, Middle East, South Asia). They originate from Caucasus.

heil hitler

 

[Hellraiser007]

Completely wrong assertion, Europeans have nothing to do with the genetics of India.

Do majority of people look like Europeans like having blue eyes, Big nose and other physical traits we find in europeans.

The West always says they are superior and they are the ones who have superior civilizations which is total BS and Europeans has nothing to do with Ancient Indian civilization .

The Idea of Europeans descending from Caucasian mountains(Like angels do ) and composing Vedas in Ancient India is Laughable and complete BS.

 

[Spring Onion]

yeh Hindu-cast system is result of Europeans migration to India

 

[janon]

Caste system has been misinterpreted and changed due to foreign influences as well as domestic compulsions. If you look at the Vijayanagar Empire, when they went to war....... soldiers would come from all different castes. It did not matter as long you came to fight. Also, all castes were well trained to fight as warriors. So, what you see today as it is worse poses more questions? Why? Simple, foreign influences changed Hinduism and caste as much as they could to erase our identity. No matter how ppl try to malign Vedic culture but our hisotry indicates we made some profound discoveries for mankind. Sure, there negatvies but in a peaceful environment it could have changed for the better. We have a race against time and instead of complaining about secularists, take the time and make the effort to record from all sources including dalits, our elderly, regardless of caste.

So what's the need for different castes in the first place?

 

[dollarman]

yeh Hindu-cast system is result of Europeans migration to India

No its not. If you read the article, it very logically explains how caste system was prelevant in Southern India even before any such so called Aryan migration happened. Not to mention that we dont know for sure whether the Aryan migration happened for sure or not, as it hasnt been proven 100%, for all we know it could just be a myth.