South Sudan becomes an independent nation

[Nothing4U]

one day US will become weak and texas will be an independent nation

 

[Patrician]

i can bet you didn't-

No I did. Really I did.

Although, it is not what you'd like to hear.

 

[yuhua]

one day US will become weak and texas will be an independent nation

thats y i like paksitnis

 

[JonAsad]

No I did. Really I did.

Although, it is not what you'd like to hear.

Or its some thing you dont want to admit and say

 

[Patrician]

Or its some thing you dont want to admit and say

lol dude feel free to carry on. I do not post for sake of post counts.

I'm out.

 

[JonAsad]

lol dude feel free to carry on. I do not post for sake of post counts.

I'm out.

Yup- your history clearly shows for what you are here for- any way- Stay Out-

 

[Last Hope]

Jay, just ignore them and not turn the thread useless. I had some serious post that some people cannot digest, we cannot help if they have constipation. Just ignore them, and carry on.

 

[Nav]

In Recent year indonesia iz divided and East taimur is seprated from Indonesia..nw Sudan is divided and libya iz about to divide in two Parts, there were Plans to Divide iraq in sunni and Shia.. What we are looking for, so many slaps on our faces but still we are sleeping...

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

assalam alaikum

I wish them good luck any how an intersting piece of info one of the sons of silva the president have embraced islam in kharoom masjid and asks this father to rivert to islam. Muhammad ( known by jon before riverting ) he needs jannah. He also said he wil try his best to spread islam in south sudan, he is married.

http://www.sabq.org/sabq/user/news.do?section=7&id=2111

Nav ,
brother u me and all of muslims know why we r getting divided and occupied , Umer r-a said Allah has given us pride with islam if we try to achieve it with anything else will not succeed ( may be not the exact translation but u can get the meaning )

TARIQ

 

[Tshering22]

I doubt A'Jad wants to march into KSA--A'jad will be confronted by all Arabs--even his Syrian, Iraqi and Lebanese allies, not to mention most of other Islamic countries would not like that at all. Now, it is possible that the Saudi rulers are so insecure that they buy into the media hype of an Iranian assault. Reality is probably different.

You're quite wrong. The GCC is despised by the non-GCC anti-Israel Arab states. Syria is a friend of Iran. Lebanon is insignificant. Jordan might join in while Iraq is taking its baby steps again. That leaves UAE, Saudi, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait. Now these militaries have the best of western tech in their arsenal. But they're not really known for combat. It is good in peace time but when war is on your head, it is very bad.

Of course, just like it suited to the British to 'divide and rule', it suit certain powesr now to divide and rule. Why not make Iran and KSA fight each other? Two anti-Israel 'regimes'. More arms to sell. More jobs at home. Hey, blood may be spilled but I will have my prosperity. At least one can propagate that line and hopefully someone will bite? May be bite?

Can't really help it looking at the violent divide between both Islamic countries. One Sunni and another Shia.

PS. We give too much credit to the strategic abilities of the clowns in American Congress. These people--within a few generations, have turned the mightiest military, media and economic power in modern human history, an island nation with only two peaceful neighbors, a nation blessed with natural resources, a working nation with the most productive workers in the world, nation of educated and intelligent people--managed to nearly bring America down to its knees in a very sad way. Their ability to make Iran and KSA fight each other remains in doubt. You know, others can think too.

The thing even then is that Mosmania won't be sitting and thinking in King Abdullah's place. It will still be Saudi king taking the decision which is extremely pro-west. That's the game changer especially with Iran's allergy to anything even slightly western.

 

[Al Bhatti]

29-Jun-2011

UAE to host South Sudan's first embassy

New nation will open regional trade office in Dubai to promote commerce, Vice-President says

The UAE will host the first embassy of South Sudan in the Gulf region, South Sudan's Vice-President Riek Machar said Tuesday.

"South Sudan will open a regional trade office in Dubai to promote commercial activities of South Sudan," Dr Machar said at a press conference in Dubai.

He said the UAE is a financial and economic hub that enjoys important global and regional position, and thus he suggested holding economic and investment conference in the UAE.

The conference is due to be held in October, while its venue will be determined later whether in Dubai or Abu Dhabi, Dr Machar said.

Vital projects

He pointed out that certain vital projects related to tourism, transport, oil pipelines and refineries as well as power generation plants will be offered during the conference, which will be attended by South Sudan's ministers and UAE officials.

Dr Machar expressed the hope that South Sudan's President Salva Kiir would attend the conference and encouraged Emirati investors to invest in agriculture and tourism in the newly-created northern African country of South Sudan, which counts on UAE investments.

The South Sudanese Vic-President met with a number of UAE officials during his visit to the UAE. He held talks with Dr Anwar Mohammad Gargash, Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, and Reem Al Hashemi, Minister of State.

He discussed ways of cooperation and the future of relations between the UAE and South Sudan. He said the people of South Sudan look forward to establishing strong ties with the UAE.


gulfnews : UAE to host South Sudan's first embassy

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1-Jul-2011

South Sudan will set up its first Embassy in the Gulf Cooperation Council for Arab States (GCC) in the UAE , Vice President of the Government of South Sudan Dr Riek Machar Teny, said.

'First South Sudan Embassy in GCC will be in UAE' | MSN Arabia News

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related link

http://www.uaeinteract.com/docs/Fir...says_Vice_President_of_South_Sudan_/45971.htm

 

[Nothing4U]

this south sudan thing says a lot abt US definite plans to fund separatists in balochistan, and pakistan federal is too weak

Sudan which is already poor lost 75% of its oil and 80% of its forests and 25% of its land.

 

[SpArK]

People in Independent South Sudan seeks India's assistance
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Juba (South Sudan), July 10: Residents of newly formed South Sudan have sought India's assistance in building of infrastructure in their country after celebrations to mark the first independence day on Saturday.

Thousands of South Sudanese danced and cheered at Dr. John Garang Mausoleum, as their new country formally declared its independence, after a hard-won separation from the North that plunged the fractured region into a new period of uncertainty.

South Sudan's President Salva Kiir stood next to his five decade old civil war foe, the President of North Sudan, Omar Hassan al-Bashir, who now leads the north, at the ceremony to mark the birth of Africa's 54th state.

Representatives from around the world, including Indian Vice-President Hamid Ansari, attended the celebrations and pledged for peace and development in the world's newest country.

An elated local, Akok M. Madut described it as the happiest moment of their lives as they were fighting for it for a century.

He said the country is looking forward to India as it has lots in store for South Sudan, especially in the field of information technology and education.


"I can say for all South Sudanese and Africans all over the world, I think it is a great day, very big day because people have been fighting for almost hundred years. So that when we lead today for the final day, everyone will be happy whether in the rural areas or the urban areas. Everyone is feeling good for today because they get what they were wanting for a century," said Madut.

"I think India has a far of the emerging economic state. India has a lot of things to do for South Sudan. Specially, India is the best in nowadays for Information Technology, for best education, for the best of the service like. ...education, analysis and others. I think that is best first country in Asia for buying something for South Sudan especially," he added.

Ansari laid a wreath at the mausoleum of Dr. John Garang, the late rebel army leader who is considered the father of the nation.

Africa's newest nation wants global help for development in education, health, medical and infrastructure.

"See it as a base of great hope. I was here 32 times during the war that is why I have place of honour now because with people in the dark times, they are frenzying good times and I was here 32 times with humanitarian aid and telling around what is happening. And in those days, today was not possible. Now the people have courage. They are good people and I wish them every success," said Baroness Cox, Chief Executive of Humanitarian Aid Relief Trust, Queensbury.

"It needs economic investment. They have tremendous economic potential. They are good and honest people, they are good workers; it needs help for health care. They have to resist worst in the world, help in the education, last generation not at all had no education, no schooling. All they had was frenzying. They are good people, they deserve the freedom and deserve help," she added.

North and south Sudan fought Africa's longest civil war, but the former enemies signed a peace deal in 2005, which eventually led to Saturday's independence.

Oil-rich South Sudan on Saturday became the world's newest country, splitting away from Khartoum-ruled north after decades of brutal war that claimed some two million lives.

Copyright Asian News International

People in Independent South Sudan seeks India's assistance

 

[somebozo]

Fine, so giving independence and creating a new nation in a short period of 10 years is not a hard deal. When is the world body waking up to suffering of Kashmiris in IOK..or wait..Muslim people dont deserve independence? Right? Independence should only the the right of resource rich regions. (sarcasm) Logically speaking, this should also make the case of Kashmiris strong in the view of world body if they want to prove themselves as responsible and unbiased.

Poverty in South Sudan will not disappear over night and rampant corruption is likely to increase given the record of these African leaders. However one thing for sure, steady flow of cheap oil to west will increase many folds while some people in the new nation will get rich many folds. All summed up, South Sudan is dangerous example of new colonial games..stirring up manufactured or obsolete conflicts in resource rich regions to advance imperialistic goals.

Arab news
South Sudan is the newest nation

By ALEXANDER DZIADOSZ AND JEREMY CLARKE | REUTERS

Published: Jul 9, 2011 18:00 Updated: Jul 9, 2011 18:00

JUBA: Tens of thousands of South Sudanese danced and cheered as their new country formally declared its independence on Saturday, a hard-won separation from the north that also plunged the fractured region into a new period of uncertainty.

The president of South Sudan, Salva Kiir, stood next to his old civil war foe the president of Sudan, Omar Hassan Al-Bashir, who now leads just the north, at a ceremony to mark the birth of the new nation.

Under-developed, oil-producing South Sudan won its independence in a January referendum — the climax of a 2005 peace deal that ended decades of fighting with the north.

Security forces at first tried to control the streets in the south’s dusty capital Juba, but retreated as jubilant crowds moved in overnight and through the day, waving flags, dancing and chanting “South Sudan o-yei, freedom o-yei.”

Some revellers fainted in the blistering heat as South Sudan’s parliamentary speaker, James Wani Igga, read out the formal declaration of independence.

“We, the democratically elected representatives of the people ... hereby declare Southern Sudan to be an independent and sovereign state,” said Igga before Sudan’s flag was lowered, the South Sudan flag was raised and the new anthem sung. Kiir took the oath of office.

People threw their hands in the air, embraced and wept. “We got it. We got it,” one man said as he hugged a woman.

The presence of Bashir, who campaigned to keep Africa’s largest state united, was a key gesture of goodwill.

It will also be an embarrassment to some Western diplomats at the event. The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Bashir on charges of war crimes in Darfur.

Bashir gave a speech congratulating the new country. “The will of the people of the south has to be respected,” he said, ading that both states had to maintain peace.

North Sudan’s government was the first to recognize South Sudan on Friday, hours before the split took place, a move that smoothed the way to the division.

The United States, China and Britain signalled their recognition of the state on Saturday, according to official statements and government media reports.

“After so much struggle by the people of South Sudan, the United States of America welcomes the birth of a new nation,” said US President Barack Obama, stopping short of announcing any immediate changes in longstanding US sanctions on Sudan that Khartoum has been hoping will be lifted.

Dignitaries including UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the leaders of about 30 African nations attended.

In a possible sign of the South’s new allegiances, the crowd included about 200 supporters of Darfur rebel leader Abdel Wahed Al-Nur, fighting Khartoum in an eight-year insurgency just over South Sudan’s border in the north.

Earlier, the supporters of Nur’s rebel Sudan Liberation Army faction stood in a line chanting “Welcome, welcome new state,” wearing T-shirts bearing their leader’s image. One carried a banner reading “El Bashir is wanted dead or alive.”

Traditional dance groups drummed and waved shields and staffs in a carnival atmosphere.

The crowd cheered as Kiir unveiled a giant statue of civil war hero John Garang, who signed the peace deal with the north.

Kiir offered an amnesty to armed groups fighting his government and promised to bring peace to troubled border areas.

“I would like to take this opportunity to declare amnesty for all those who have taken up arms against Sudan,” he said.

“I want to assure the people of Abyei, Darfur, Blue Nile and South Kordofan that we have not forgotten you. When you cry, we cry. When you bleed, we bleed. I pledge to you today that we will find a just peace for all,” he said, adding that he would work with Bashir to achieve those goals.

“Today we raise the flag of South Sudan to join the nations of the world. A day of victory and celebration,” Pagan Amum, the secretary general of the South’s ruling Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM), told Reuters.



Seeds of future tension

Khartoum’s recognition of the South did not dispel fears of future tensions.

Northern and southern leaders have still not agreed on a list of issues, most importantly the line of the border, the ownership of the disputed Abyei region and how they will handle oil revenues, the lifeblood of both economies.

At the stroke of midnight the Republic of Sudan lost almost a third of its territory and about three quarters of its oil reserves, which are sited in the south. It faced the future with insurgencies in its Darfur and Southern Kordofan regions.

Sudan now shrinks to being the third largest state in Africa, with about 1.86 million sq km of territory.

In Khartoum on Saturday, one sign of the new national order was the disappearance of some English-language and SPLM-linked newspapers. The north said it suspended them on Friday as they were published or owned by southerners — an ominous signal for more than 1 million southerners left in the north.

Many northerners see the separation as a loss of face.

Analysts have long feared a return to war if north/south disputes are not resolved.

The United Nations Security Council voted on Friday to establish a force of up to 7,000 peacekeepers for South Sudan.

Mostly Muslim Sudan fought rebels in the south, where most follow Christianity and traditional beliefs, for all but a few years from the 1950s in civil wars fueled by ethnicity, religion, oil and ideology.

© 2010 Arab News

 

[Jihad]

Anyone inside Pakistan, any group or movement which tries hard to gain independence has to be destroyed.
Unless it's really needed and the differences are huge between certain ethnic groups.

But for reasons like "We feel different , because we speak a slightly different language with a little accent, or drink our tea's with 2 parathes instead of just one" is nonsense ofcourse.

Last Hope is correct in his post where he sums up the basics of where a country can fall apart into pieces.

It's like a disease, you have to stop it from the beginning, if it spreads out it can do severe damage.

That's why the government also has its responsibility to maintain stability and sense of unity among people by organising events, or through media.
Not necessarily brainwashing people, but to make them aware of their roots and of their country.

We don't have to worry that something similar to what has happened in Sudan, will happen with Pakistan too.
Our history has shown us that we longed for one independent nation, where we could walk, live and breathe freely without fear of being a minority or a 2nd class citizen.

I don't think we'll see anything crazy, let these outsiders instigate as much as they like, they won't generate their desired effect, rather the opposite.

The current WoT has many Pakistanis united already, although not all of them are in agreement over what has to be done and how the current issue of terrorism has to be dealt with.

But hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.