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when china gov. made a request, later the request will be surely realized.
wait and see.
China demands Philippines' withdrawal from Spratly
Manila Bulletin
June 18,2014


China has demanded that the Philippines withdraw all its facilities and personnel in Spratly islands (Nansha islands) in response to the latter's call for a moratorium on all land formation activities in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

In a statement, Chinese Foreign Minister Hua Chunying said that “Since the 1970s, the Philippines has illegally and forcefully occupied parts of China’s Nansha Islands including the Zhongye Island, in violation of the UN Charter and principles of international law."

China has demanded that the Philippines withdraw all its facilities and personnel in Spratly islands (Nansha islands) in response to the latter's call for a moratorium on all land formation activities in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

“We demand the Philippines to withdraw all its facilities and personnel on islands illegally seized from China,” she added.

Hua insisted that China has indisputable sovereignty over the Spratlys islands and its neighboring waters. Hua also accused the Philippines of making provocative actions and irresponsible remarks on “China’s legitimate actions.”

Hua cited that the Philippines earlier announced that it would invest large sums of money to upgrade the airstrips and naval facilities on the Zhongye island (Pagasa island).

She added that in January, the Philippines also announced its plans to build a world-class airport on the so-called Kalayaan group of islands.

“That is unjustifiable. We call on the Philippine side to correct its erroneous actions, strictly follow the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), and stop provocations that would further aggravate and complicate the situation,” Hua said.

Earlier, the Philippine aerial patrols spotted China’s reclamation works on Mabini Reef. (Mary Rose A. Hogaza)

such kind of maps were not classified actually, our viet namese liars did their work again.
as this map was released, Ryukyu islands altogether diaoyu islands were under administration of american, but not japan.
so it said nothing.
China and North Vietnam signed in to Geneva Accords, Islands belong to South Vietnam, North Vietnam didn't have right about Islands of South Vietnam.

The letter didn't mentioned about Island, it said about 12 miles only.

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this is a classified PRC government map from 1969 and that it lists the "Senkaku islands" as Japanese territory.

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when a person nervously and repeatedly says he does not fear, that means he is really frightened. ha
Q and A: 'Brave, patriotic' Vietnam challenges China
'We don't fear anything,' the Vietnamese ambassador tells Rappler as he slams China's 'dream' to claim the entire South China Sea

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MANILA, Philippines – “We are enraged. We are very angry.”

With words as firm as these, the Vietnamese ambassador denounced China's “dream” of a 9-dash line, the demarcation mark that China uses to claim virtually the entire South China Sea.

“We don't fear anything,” Vietnamese Ambassador to the Philippines Truong Trieu Duong told Rappler.

Vietnam, after all, has a long tradition of ejecting its conquerors – including China, in 938 AD – throughout its 2,000-year history.

Duong sat down for a wide-ranging interview on May 29, which covered Vietnam's thoughts on China as well as the United States, their country's next possible moves, and its views on the Philippines in the South China Sea dispute.

The following stories on Rappler covered two main points from the interview:

Below, Rappler is publishing other parts of the interview about the country Duong described as “brave and patriotic.”

RAPPLER: Your country has a long history of fighting and defeating colonizers. And recently we see the Vietnamese engaging in some riots related to the sea dispute. Where do these sentiments come from?

DUONG: I think that actually, we are enraged. We are very angry about what China has done in the South China Sea, and sometimes this sentiment has been demonstrated, but some people have actually overreacted, and we really, in the government, are opposed to that. We don't agree. We don't agree. And that's why we have tried to help all those enterprises and the business community and those who have been affected by those riots. And we are trying, we bring the violators to court, and there are several violators, and those who some kind of incite people. And as I told you, we don't agree with that. And that's why we are trying to help to bring law back to order, and now most of the factories that have been ransacked and actually they have come back to business and production as usual already. So things are calming down.

RAPPLER: Mr Ambassador, given your long history, the temperament of your people, the attitudes in Vietnam, and the culture – the Vietnamese spirit, if we can call it that – why are there very, very strong feelings about the South China Sea or East Sea dispute?

DUONG: Actually, we have a tradition of defending our land, our motherland. It's been such a long history; otherwise, we would not survive until now. We always are ready to stand up against any kind of invasion and aggression, either on land or even in the sea. And these are our legacy, our ancestors left for us, and we want to defend it. It's our sentiment. It's a very, very sentimental feeling that we always have – to keep it. The South China Sea, the Paracels, as well as the Spratly Islands belong to us, for thousands of years already. So we cannot let others come and conquer.

RAPPLER: In a few adjectives how would you describe the Vietnamese people?

DUONG: We are a brave and patriotic people.

RAPPLER: That's how you were brought up.

DUONG: Exactly.


RAPPLER: How much does Vietnam need the United States in the South China Sea issue?

DUONG: Well, actually, we always want the US to play an important role here.... There must be somebody who can stand strongly against, well, the big guy over there.... So there's no peaceful rise about China. China is always saying that it just has a kind of a peaceful rise of China right now, but indeed, it's not peaceful at all. And there must be somebody. Or Vietnam, we've been living with the Chinese for thousands of years, so we know how to drive them back and how to survive. But still, in this world, sometimes it's not very easy. And war should be the last resort that we should use in this present situation.

RAPPLER: What are you fears right now in relation to this dispute? Your country's fears?

DUONG: Fears? In fact, we stand ready for anything that can happen. Fear is not the right word that we have right now. We don't fear anything. We do not fear anything. We would be ready to encounter what comes next.

RAPPLER: Where do you see this dispute going in the near future?

DUONG: That would be a very, very difficult question to answer. But I do hope that China will feel and see what will be good for them if it does not want to stand alone against the whole world. Because nobody's supporting China right now. You can see that. Everybody's blaming China.... Even the US, the Philippines, and many others. Japan, Korea, Australia, the EU, everybody is just blaming China.

RAPPLER: What message do you want to send China?

DUONG: Be reasonable. Be reasonable, and act like a responsible member of the international community.

RAPPLER: Do you have any other thoughts that we may not have covered?

DUONG: Well, I think that's enough. Maybe the only thing that I really want to stress right now is that Vietnam and the Philippines, we've got to be united, and stand united. We will win.

RAPPLER: That pronoun is interesting – “we.”

DUONG: Yeah, "we" means the Vietnamese people and the Filipino people.

RAPPLER: So right now your mindset is...

DUONG: We are on the same side.

Q and A: 'Brave, patriotic' Vietnam challenges China

china will soon give a full test over the fineness of usa promise for the little rat-thief philippine.
US-made gunboats boost PH sea patrol
Agence France-Presse
Wednesday, June 18th, 2014

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MARITIME MUSCLE Members of the Philippine Maritime Police special boat unit maneuver a US-made gunboat as they simulate the apprehension of poachers during a training exercise off Honda Bay in Puerto Princesa City in this photo taken on June 6. The gunboat packs a top speed of more than 83 kilometers per hour (45 knots) and has the capability to operate at night and is equipped with a radar. It is manned by police officers who underwent special training from US Navy Seals. AFP

HONDA BAY, Palawan—After a short, intense chase, two Philippine Maritime Police gunboats catch up with an illegal fishing vessel and circle it like menacing sharks, their armed commandos poised to rappel onboard.

“Their first reaction is to flee, but they stop once they realize they cannot outrun us,” the boat captain, John Rey Zumarraga, said during a training exercise in Honda Bay off the western island of Palawan.

With top speeds of 83 kilometers an hour (45 knots), modern radar systems and elite Marine officers, the 10-meter Special Boat Unit vessels are bad news for illegal fishermen.

Set up four years ago with funding from the US government, which also donated the gunboats and provided Navy Seal training, the unit’s mission is to patrol the nearly 2,000-km coast of the strategically located province.

Combating human trafficking is one part of its mission, but most of its time and resources are spent on trying to stop poaching of rare fish and other endangered wildlife in and around Palawan, which lies astride the South China Sea.

“Without those (gunboats) the poachers would be laughing at us,” said the unit’s chief administrative officer, Insp. Bryan Espinosa.

Achilles heel

But the unit has an Achilles heel or two: With just six boats and a tiny fuel budget, it cannot come close to adequately patroling the waters around Palawan and into the West Philippine Sea.

“The area is too vast to be patroled,” Espinosa conceded.

Nevertheless, the boat unit has been involved in the arrests of hundreds of fishermen, many of them foreigners, and busts involving Chinese and Vietnamese crews have sent diplomatic shockwaves across the South China Sea.

The unit last month arrested nine Chinese fishermen in the hotly contested West Philippine Sea waters off Palawan and seized their boat, which police said contained hundreds of endangered hawksbill sea turtles, many of them dead.

Most of the unit’s work is restricted to just off the coast of Palawan, which is indisputably Philippine territory.

However, the Chinese bust occurred more than 100 km off Palawan in a part of the South China Sea that the Philippines insists it has sovereign rights over but is also claimed by China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan.

Indisputably PH’s

The arrests fueled a decades-long but increasingly bitter row between the Philippines and China over their competing claims to parts of the sea, and the Chinese government demanded the fishermen be immediately released.

China insists it has sovereign rights to nearly all of the South China Sea, including waters more than 1,000 km from its most southern major landmass and just 40 or 50 km from Palawan.

The Philippines has held its ground in the case, maintaining the fishermen must be brought to justice for harvesting a rare and protected species, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in jail.

The Chinese crew have appeared in court at Puerto Princesa City for initial proceedings in what is expected to be a lengthy judicial process. They have pleaded not guilty.

They are in jail with dozens of Vietnamese arrested near Palawan’s most southern tip in waters that indisputably belong to the Philippines.

Plea bargain

Twelve of those fishermen offered last week to switch to guilty pleas and pay fines in exchange for their immediate release. The chief Palawan state prosecutor, Alen Rodriguez, said plea bargains were common.

“Bringing about convictions is quite easy, especially as they often resort to plea bargains,” Rodriguez told Agence France-Presse (AFP).

In 2011, the unit was also involved in a joint operation with the military that led to the arrest of 122 Vietnamese, the biggest illegal fishing bust in recent memory. They served jail terms of about six months, then were sent home.

Rodriguez said most foreigners charged with illegal fishing served sentences ranging from six months to four years.

Scarce fish

The Chinese detained last week face longer prison terms because their case involves an endangered species, rather than just illegal fishing.

Fishermen from China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam have for centuries shared the South China Sea’s riches, mostly peacefully.

But in recent decades, competition for increasingly scarce fish stocks has heightened as populations in Asian nations have boomed, forcing fishermen to travel further from home and closer to foreign coasts for their hauls.

“They know fully well that they are fishing beyond their territorial waters. Their vessels are equipped with GPS (global positioning system),” said the boat unit’s spokesman, Insp. Raymond Abella.

Not enough

The unit is expanding, with a new station being built near Malaysia and another one planned for the sea border with Indonesia.

However, Abella conceded this still would not be nearly enough to counter the growing problem of foreign fishing incursions.

“Palawan has a lot of resources that are no longer available where they come from, and it is relatively easy to get them. They know that policing here is not as strict, that’s why they continue to come here,” he said.

There are no police gunboats to patrol the rest of the country’s coastline, the fourth longest in the world.

The safeguarding of marine resources along the rest of the Philippines’ coastline is left to the poorly equipped Navy and Coast Guard, which is generally preoccupied with other duties.
 
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such kind of maps were not classified actually, our viet namese liars did their work again.
as this map was released, Ryukyu islands altogether diaoyu islands were under administration of american, but not japan.
so it said nothing.

I said that US handed to Japan Ryukyu included Senkaku. The owner of Senkaku is Japanese.


Partial image of map showing Senkaku Islands in World Atlas published in China in 1960.
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Chinese rig Nanhai 9 on the move due southwest from its present location south of Hainan Island:

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The relocation will take 3 days(18.06.2014 - 20.06.2014)。:coffee:

I am sure we will sonn hear more about this from our Vietnamese friends。:enjoy:
 
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even worse news for our viet namese friends: 982 drill contract has been released.

Chinese rig Nanhai 9 on the move due southwest from its present location south of Hainan Island:

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The relocation will take 3 days(18.06.2014 - 20.06.2014)。:coffee:

I am sure we will sonn hear more about this from our Vietnamese friends。:enjoy:

if slave can be used in your sense, then the current viet nam has been china's slave, and the most unimportant one of all.
only China begged Japan 1980 to open door, like slave.

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In accordance with viets logic,US was kicked out by Iraq after operation desert storm.
We dont care how viets think about that war,what we do know is that China achieved its stragetic objections:
1.Vietnam's desire of Indo-China Peninsula aborted
2.PLA get well trained after a decade-long poor training(Every army group)and starts its modernization.
3.Economic Boom
Compare Vietnam's economic data during 1980s with china's,it's not difficult to make a conclusion.If the leadership of VCP believe in their propaganda,then we might have thanked viets for testing our achievement of modernization.
Care more about your own VPA boy,7 of 11 VPA's Corps are doing bussiness which is a great harm to your army(painful experience):coffee:

USA can not say totally victory after she go home from Irak and Afghanistan. What happen now in Irak with Sunni rebels ? they will take back Bada soon if USA does not jump back in again. Same story to be seen in Afghanistan in near future. Taliban has been exchanged 5 terrorist for one American soldier ? they have communication channel with USA for future of Afghanistan.

Vietnam has been successfully established a peace in Indochine peninsula;
1/ Viet- Laos-Cam are not signed ally.
2/ History is repeated itself: Chinese aggressors invaded and ran back again.
3/ Viet-Laos-Cam joined to ASEAN, here is background ( or backyard ) of us.

When you are educated chinese, you can make a conclusion for yourself: if China choice the pivot to make tension to robbery policy with Vietnam, it should make an opportunity for Vietnam to be more stronger and more independent from China economically.

VPA corps do business is nothing wrong here in Vietnam. in comparison with other State own companies in Vietnam, VPA corps are less corruption, organization, transparent is better with army discipline, and more.

Vietnam is not small China.
 
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CCG 3306 with electric propulsion en rounte to sea trials:

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This is a ship of chinese sea pirates.

A sister ship CCG 2305 is sailing down the mighty Yangtse River for sea trials。

China plans to build a dozen of the class(with electric propulsion,helicopter hangar and all that)for starters。

The work is about half done with 5-6 ships launched so far and 2-3 due for launch shortly。

Pics when available。

Do more,talk less。:enjoy:
 
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A sister ship CCG 2305 is sailing down the mighty Yangtse River for sea trials。

China plans to build a dozen of the class(with electric propulsion,helicopter hangar and all that)for starters。

The work is about half done with 5-6 ships launched so far and 2-3 due for launch shortly。

Pics when available。

Do more,talk less。:enjoy:

You do more, talk more, but useless.:D
 
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19:18 | 18/06/2014
VGP - China’s nine-dash line is legally groundless, Major General Surasit Thanadtang from Thailand’s National Defense Studies Institute told the Viet Nam News Agency in a recent interview.



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Major-General Surasit Thanadtang

He went on to say that China’s installation of the oil rigHaiyang Shiyou-981 and its aggressive actions in Viet Nam’s exclusive economic zone and continental shelf have only undermined the stability in the region.


The Thai Major General called on relevant parties to respect the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Countries around the world have voiced no support for China’s aggressive actions in Viet Nam’s waters./.

VGP News | Thai General: China’s nine-dash line groundless - Thai General: China’s nine-dash line groundless

A plan from 1979 to unite Sub-Mekong region is working well now. Pro- VN Gen. in Thai start raising his voice. The next will be Pro- VN Gen. in Myanmar condemn China :coffee:
 
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Good job Thailand. We should not stop getting World attention in this regard. This is plainly unconstitutional as per the international law. China must respect the UNCLOS, hmm maybe the Chinese DO NOT UNDERSTAND as it is in English. Why not translate it in Chinese language? :lol:
 
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Philippines seeks speedy UN ruling on China sea dispute
19 Jun 2014
AFP

The Philippines said Thursday it would ask a UN tribunal to expedite its appeal to declare China's expansive claims to the South China Sea invalid, as tensions over the contested waters worsen.

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A China Coast Guard ship (top) and a Philippine supply boat engage in a stand off as the Philippine boat attempts to reach the Second Thomas Shoal, a remote South China Sea reef claimed by both countries, on March 29, 2014

A formal request will be filed seeking a resolution on the case within the year or early 2015, foreign department spokesman Charles Jose said.

"We are consulting our legal team to present a request to the tribunal if it can hasten its process earlier, rather than later," Jose told AFP.

He declined to say when the request would be formally transmitted, however.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario separately said a speedier ruling was necessary "because the situation is getting worse by the day in the South China Sea".

China claims most of the South China Sea, including waters near the shores of its neighbours, which has led to escalating territorial disputes.

"The only mechanism that's out there right now ... is arbitration," del Rosario was quoted in local press reports as saying.

"So we hope to be able to get the arbitration in place, that will be the goal line for all of us," del Rosario said.

"Hopefully since China is not participating perhaps we can get a quicker resolution from the tribunal," said del Rosario.


Manila lodged an appeal in March with the United Nations tribunal to rule the claims illegal, but China has resolutely refused to participate in the proceedings.

Del Rosario has said he backs a US proposal for a fresh regional dialogue for a freeze on actions that could provoke tensions in the South China Sea amid fears that Beijing has increasingly become aggressive in staking its claims.

In recent months, the Philippines filed protests after it monitored reclamations in a number of outcrops in the sea region that are within its exclusive economic zone but are occupied by China.

In one of the outcrops, Johnson South Reef, the Philippines said the Chinese appeared to be reclaiming land that may be turned into an airstrip.

Apart from the Philippines, China also has overlapping South China Sea claims with Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam, as well as with rival Taiwan.
 
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