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Unfortunately for you, China has massive land mass to defend and 7 potential enemies that China has to allocate its forces to such as Russia/Taiwan/SK/Japan/India/U.S..and Vietnam. Unlike the U.S who does not have to worry about any threats surrounding its border, Chinese forces are spread thin to defend on many fronts/enemies hence you have many military districts

Btw, if you add the Phillipines and the Indonesian to your list of potential enemies, China would have 9 enemies to spread her forces to

Surely they has added us as their potential enemies when they suddenly brought up Natuna surrounding water into their passport cover pictures. And their aggressive moves against Vietnam has proven the points of their aggressiveness. Indonesia will never see Chinese as before.
 
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The Philippine government released a series of photos Thursday that it said shows China reclaiming a reef in the South China Sea, which Manila claims is part of the Philippines, and called the move “destabilizing.”

China disputed the Philippines’ claim that Mabini Reef, which is uninhabited, is part of its territory and said the area where the reef is situated in the South China Sea is part of Chinese territory, a Foreign Ministry spokesman told Associated Press.

The photos of Mabini Reef, also known as the Johnson South Reef, were gathered by Philippine intelligence sources and released Thursday by the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs. The series of photos starts with a picture dated March 13, 2012. The first picture shows the reef is untouched. Later photos from February 2014 show a vessel and the reef being developed as white sand appears in the pictures. The last picture, dated March 11, shows a structure on the northeast side of the reef.

The Philippines is unsure what is being built on Mabini Reef, but Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario told AP that Beijing might be building an airstrip. The reef may be built into a military base and a refueling and resupply hub, said an unnamed senior government official, who added that the reclamation was detected six months ago.

“These actions are considered destabilizing and in violation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) and international law. Mabini Reef is part of the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) which is part of Philippine territory,” Manila said.

Manila’s statement referred to a nonbinding pact between China and 10 Southeast Asian nations that urges signers to hold back on acting in ways that would “complicate or escalate disputes” in the South China Sea, Philippine Foreign Affairs spokesman Charles Jose told AP. He added that China’s moves are part of Beijing’s strategy to take over the whole South China Sea.

Benigno Aquino III, president of the Philippines, called for a stronger agreement with China and an international arbitration process to prevent escalations in the South China Sea, according to AP. His government proposed the arbitration in January when Chinese ships took control of a shoal claimed by the Philippines.

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What a mess Vietnam is in now? Suing China will be even worst and not helping the situation.
 
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I think you have reversed the history here. It is U.S. who came to China for normalization, not the other way around.

vn has to kneel before ussr to give up the sea port.

What did China give away??? What a dumb axx.

playing field for such hooligans is criminal world, not for normal humankind.



WE know it, if it would be necessary, china will knee before US like you did in the past 1972, 1979.
 
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A handful of warcriminals and provocative and corrupt rogue regimes calling them self "the international community", condemn China passively defending their oil rig doing the completely legal business in around Chinese islands.

Peaceful defensive Vietnamese navy passively approachs and tries to ram into Chinese ships and attempts to harras a civilian oil rig doing legal business around Chinese island and cry foul when they are sweeped away by Chinese watercannons from maritime police.

Peaceful demonstration murder dozen of innocent Chinese ethnic civilians in Vietnam and destroy various foreign business while the goverment leaves th violent rioters off the leash..


Vietnamese shure love to turn reality on its head..
 
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@Krueger

You must be working for the US intelligence agencies. Snowden revealed they have people like you going to forums and doing exactly the things you are doing.
I wouldn't give him too much credit. This guy pulls bias sources that any 10 year old Chinese can figure out it's bullshit. His posts are geared for the less educated.

What a mess Vietnam is in now? Suing China will be even worst and not helping the situation.
Vietnamese nonsense at its worse. I'm starting to think Viets might have a lower IQ than Indians.
 
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The Philippine government released a series of photos Thursday that it said shows China reclaiming a reef in the South China Sea, which Manila claims is part of the Philippines, and called the move “destabilizing.”

China disputed the Philippines’ claim that Mabini Reef, which is uninhabited, is part of its territory and said the area where the reef is situated in the South China Sea is part of Chinese territory, a Foreign Ministry spokesman told Associated Press.

The photos of Mabini Reef, also known as the Johnson South Reef, were gathered by Philippine intelligence sources and released Thursday by the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs. The series of photos starts with a picture dated March 13, 2012. The first picture shows the reef is untouched. Later photos from February 2014 show a vessel and the reef being developed as white sand appears in the pictures. The last picture, dated March 11, shows a structure on the northeast side of the reef.

The Philippines is unsure what is being built on Mabini Reef, but Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario told AP that Beijing might be building an airstrip. The reef may be built into a military base and a refueling and resupply hub, said an unnamed senior government official, who added that the reclamation was detected six months ago.

“These actions are considered destabilizing and in violation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) and international law. Mabini Reef is part of the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) which is part of Philippine territory,” Manila said.

Manila’s statement referred to a nonbinding pact between China and 10 Southeast Asian nations that urges signers to hold back on acting in ways that would “complicate or escalate disputes” in the South China Sea, Philippine Foreign Affairs spokesman Charles Jose told AP. He added that China’s moves are part of Beijing’s strategy to take over the whole South China Sea.

Benigno Aquino III, president of the Philippines, called for a stronger agreement with China and an international arbitration process to prevent escalations in the South China Sea, according to AP. His government proposed the arbitration in January when Chinese ships took control of a shoal claimed by the Philippines.

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Looks awesome, can't wait for it to be completed! :enjoy:
 
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New Tensions In The South China Sea: Whose Sovereignty Over Paracels? – Analysis

May 15, 2014 RSIS Leave a comment

By RSIS

China’s positioning of a state-owned oil rig in waters near the disputed Paracel Islands has led to increased tensions between China and Vietnam. While this has been seen as another demonstration of Chinese assertiveness, a closer look may tell a different story.

By Sam Bateman

TENSIONS BETWEEN China and Vietnam over sovereignty issues in the South China Sea flared up again on 2 May 2014 when China positioned an oil rig in waters off the disputed Paracel Islands. Vietnam protested this action and sent vessels to disrupt the rig’s operations. China responded by sending more ships to protect the rig. Inevitably with the numbers of opposing vessels in the area, a violent clash occurred on 7 May injuring some Vietnamese personnel and damage to some vessels.

Vietnam has launched a strong diplomatic and public relations campaign to support its position. It appears to be winning the public relations battle with much global commentary supporting its claim that the rig is illegal and painting the situation as yet another example of China’s assertiveness. However, a closer look at the situation suggests that China may be within its rights with the rig. Undoubtedly, however, it could have handled the situation more diplomatically rather than acting unilaterally in a way that inevitably would lead to increased tension.

Locating the rig
The rig is about 120 nautical miles east of the Vietnamese coast, and 180 nautical miles south of China’s Hainan Island. These are the two nearest mainland points from which an exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and continental shelf may unquestionably be measured. Equally importantly, however, the rig is about 14 nautical miles from a small island in the Paracels claimed by China and 80 nautical miles from Woody Island, a large feature with an area of about 500 hectares occupied by China.

Woody Island is indisputably an island under the regime of islands in the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and thus entitled to an EEZ and continental shelf. Despite global commentary that suggests otherwise, a negotiated maritime boundary in this area would likely place the rig within China’s EEZ even if reduced weight was given to China’s claimed insular features.

Vietnam claims that because the rig is closer to its mainland coast than to China’s and well inside 200 nautical miles of its coast, it lies within its EEZ and on its continental shelf. Superficially this argument may appear attractive but geographical proximity alone is not an unequivocal basis for claiming sovereignty or sovereign rights. There are many examples around the world of countries having sovereignty over features well inside the EEZ of another, or of EEZ boundaries being established significantly closer to one country than to another.

The sovereignty question
The question as to who has sovereignty over the Paracels is at the heart of the current situation. If Vietnam had sovereignty over the islands, there would be no dispute. However, despite much global commentary suggesting that Vietnam has a case to support its sovereignty claim, closer analysis of the history of the dispute suggests otherwise.

Vietnam’s current claim is seriously weakened by North Vietnam’s recognition of Chinese sovereignty over the Paracels in 1958 and its lack of protest between 1958 and 1975. A number of governments, including the United States, have explicitly or implicitly recognised Chinese sovereignty over some or all of the islands. China has occupied Woody Island since the end of World War Two. North Vietnamese occupation of that large feature may have significantly affected American operations against North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

The US has urged the claimant countries to exercise care and restraint. Against the historical background of American acceptance of China’s sovereignty over Woody Island, it would be hypocritical now for Washington to make any stronger statement that might be seen as supportive of Vietnam’s position.

Where to now?
Previous incidents around the Paracels mainly related to fisheries management issues and China’s arrest of Vietnamese fishing vessels attempting to fish in or near the islands. Undoubtedly Vietnam can make a strong case that its fishermen have traditionally fished in these waters – in much the same way as China claims traditional rights for its fishermen elsewhere in the South China Sea.

Vietnam may well have been better off to agree to China’s sovereignty over the Paracels in return for China conceding traditional fishing rights in the area to Vietnamese fishermen and agreeing to pursue the joint development of marine resources in the waters between the islands and the coast of Vietnam. Unfortunately, however, the two countries have probably passed the point of no return in being able to reach such a negotiated settlement. Vietnam is playing for high odds by endeavouring to muster global and regional support for its position when in fact, it may end up with nothing.

Hard line positions by all the parties to the sovereignty disputes in the South China Sea are short-sighted and will inevitably lead to increased tensions and regional instability. There will be ‘losers’ in this approach when potentially all could be ‘winners’ if the parties accepted the need for functional cooperation in managing the sea and its resources. The geographical reality is that straight line maritime boundaries will be impossible to achieve in some parts of the sea, and as a consequence, the sole ownership of resources will also not be possible.

The irony of the current situation is that functional cooperation is not just something that would be nice to have but is an actual obligation under Part IX of UNCLOS covering semi-enclosed waters such as the South China Sea. That obligation has been forgotten while countries continue to assert their unilateral sovereignty claims and risk a ‘win-lose’ outcome.

Sam Bateman is a Senior Fellow in the Maritime Security Programme at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University. He is a former Australian naval commodore with research interests in regimes for good order at sea.

New Tensions In The South China Sea: Whose Sovereignty Over Paracels? - Analysis | Eurasia Review

China is aggressive invaders. :smokin:
 
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Unfortunately for you, China has massive land mass to defend and 7 potential enemies that China has to allocate its forces to such as Russia/Taiwan/SK/Japan/India/U.S..and Vietnam. Unlike the U.S who does not have to worry about any threats surrounding its border, Chinese forces are spread thin to defend on many fronts/enemies hence you have many military districts

Btw, if you add the Phillipines and the Indonesian to your list of potential enemies, China would have 9 enemies to spread her forces to

clearly you dont understand anything.

look at what china actually faces.

china only needs token forces against anything in the west of china, and russia since the western "stans" are very weak and relations with russia are very good. and i already said, borders with india only requires light(in terms of equipment and numbers) troops and in fact that's what's there right now instead of a large army formation. taiwan requires only the east sea fleet and missiles which china has thousands and thousands of, and even that is overkill since relations with ROC is fairly okay at the moment. the only area needing conventional protection is the northeast, specifically in korea and against japan. thats basically only one area to worry about aside from the SCS. and there is only 7 military districts and frankly its a relic of a past age, they are seeker to reform that set up as we speak.

and among all the threats the ONLY serious one is US/Japan(whether over islands or a korean scenario) combo, the SCS claimants could unify their navy and the South sea fleet could defeat it by itself.

and spread thin you say? yea thats why china can afford to send FFG and DDG to various nation visits at the same time a the pirate missions and rimpac that coming up, not to mention the naval drill with russia. as for the airforce and land forces. you must be seriously delusional if you think the chinese army or air force is "spread thin" they're all in china, as china is not fighting any wars nor have tons of external bases.
 
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"The reason why China has not attacked Vietnam in the Spratly because China knows that Vietnam holds the military advantage"

using your logic, vietnam has not attack china in the spratlys because it knows china completely outclass it in every possible way.


"Nope, a base in the Spratly that you build out of a reef can easily be taken out by our EXTRA rocket or ballistic missiles; that is assuming that you can even build a base that can support take off and landing and a base that can house even a few jets."

get it through your head. china has more rockets, more ballistic missiles, basically more everything than vietnam. . secondly china is the most prolific builder in the world. fact is they could end your navy in an afternoon along with all the targets you leave on the various islands without even landing anyone on them.



"Unfortunately for you Vietnam also has submarines to counter the sub force of your South Sea Fleet. Most of your subs in the south sea fleet are cold war relic."

you have kilos, we have twice as many kilos. not even gonna talk about songs/yuans/ssn




"We have real islands in the Spratly here, buddy. Our transport vessels have been carrying supplies and troops to the Spratly islands eveyday and up till NOW you don't even know what we have transported to the Spratly. You can try to pound our real islands with whatever you wish but we just pound your "sea base" with our own ballistic missiles and EXTRA rockets and your entire operation in the Spratly will cease immediately. You rely on a sea base to operate while we don't; that is even assuming that you can build a sea base in the Spratly"

lol you are seriously delusional. so apparently, vietnam is now magic and their island bases don't need supplies in times of war anymore and are invincible to attacks hahahaha. and apparently chinese "reef" are now sinkable hahahah. i see, so why dont you guys push china completely out of there then, scared? dont be, clearly you are protected by magic. and pound the sea base you say lol sure in a surprise attack you'll get a hit in, then what, when all those CJ-10s and srbms wipe the map clean and the chinese navy dominates the entire area.


"I'm not losing sleep over any military conflict over the Spratly or even the Paracel with you guys"

you shouldnt. you don't make decisions or apparently even know much about the huge gap in capabilities, its the vietnamese generals and admirals thats are losing sleep at the prospect of war.
 
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clearly you dont understand anything.

look at what china actually faces.

china only needs token forces against anything in the west of china, and russia since the western "stans" are very weak and relations with russia are very good. and i already said, borders with india only requires light(in terms of equipment and numbers) troops and in fact that's what's there right now instead of a large army formation. taiwan requires only the east sea fleet and missiles which china has thousands and thousands of, and even that is overkill since relations with ROC is fairly okay at the moment. the only area needing conventional protection is the northeast, specifically in korea and against japan. thats basically only one area to worry about aside from the SCS. and there is only 7 military districts and frankly its a relic of a past age, they are seeker to reform that set up as we speak.

and among all the threats the ONLY serious one is US/Japan(whether over islands or a korean scenario) combo, the SCS claimants could unify their navy and the South sea fleet could defeat it by itself.

and spread thin you say? yea thats why china can afford to send FFG and DDG to various nation visits at the same time a the pirate missions and rimpac that coming up, not to mention the naval drill with russia. as for the airforce and land forces. you must be seriously delusional if you think the chinese army or air force is "spread thin" they're all in china, as china is not fighting any wars nor have tons of external bases.
Your forces are spread thin, my friend. Chinese armed forces is like an NFL running back with 1000-yard season & 300 carries. You're surrounded by hostiled states both land and sea. You always have to allocated a % of your forces either land, air, sea to a particular front/enemies for a potential conflict.
 
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