South China Sea Forum

[EastSea]

Vietnam now tasted, certainly the riot services his right very well.


After Vietnam war, Vietnam copies almost every policy from China both on social and economic development; however, like on military, he only learned small tricks, without full understanding essences of Chinese culture, Vietnam only resembles in form, not alike in spirit of China. That is why so many Chinese members call them M......


Even the god may smile if i say there is an Independent thinking Vietnam.


Any one who really know Vietnam can see that this riot is caused by his internal problems: there is 0.1 billion people living in this country, but his GDP is smaller than Chinese GuangXi province which is lessdeveloped province in China, the growing social problems in economy leads the legality and stability ofVietnam Communist and its regime in trouble.


Before riot, his stock market dropped 7 percent shows capital is sensitive and making prognosis, and nodoubt the riot will enhance the fleeting of investment, and his economy will be worsen in the near future.


It is typical self destruction.


Trying to detour his internal problems by producing outside threat from China is quenching a thirst withsalty water. then will he come to China for money when next financial crisis comes? he will because he has no fame as we just saw he ceased from holding Asia Game.



Why this time Vietnam reacts so violently on 981?

Because 981 really hits his tender spot,oil form south china sea is his biggest quick income, however, his ability is limited to shallow sea oil, yet the main oil reserve is in the deep south china sea which we can see from space diagram of sea bed which is out of Vietnam's reach.


Deep water oil technique is mastered by only a few countries, China is one of these. it is not easy for Vietnam to learn such technique or to hire a oil platform which is very expensive and not profitable. on the other hand, facing the objection from china, international oil group is unwilling to challenge China. one nature of capital is to avoid risk, they did and will do.


Vietnam very fear that China master deep oil extracting skill, that will end the oil striving on SCS. now 981 appeared and Vietnam can do nothing except harassing. that is why Vietnam so excited and attacked us on ASEAN, and sent out half of his sea police ships to stop 981. the small tricks are effective after pampering media and conniving march, however, Vietnam should know Chinese old saying "Cleverness may overreach itself", since being offended openly, will we have reason now to stop deep water oil drilling?


TodayVietnam is really ashamed into anger miff, but he can not do himself as 981 can do, then he will adventure , we have to be careful and prepared.


all FBC can antiship, it is good chance to exercise, this one seems a reconnaissance plane.

Chinese is arrogant, big mouth and stupid.

In the past both Vietnam and China copied Stalin model from So Viet Union. The new policy for economy (NEP) is Lenin the first who applied for Russia after Revolution.

"Open policy", Japan is the first in Asia do it from time if Min Ji , not China. China is simply copy and past what Japan, Korean and Taiwan did.

 

[ViXuyen]

"Failed logic, we're in a defensive posture. We won't commite our assets in a military conflict if we want to but only when we need to"

ill just quote you then, but from the chinese perspective.

You have initiated the offense in every war. Since you have not dared to attack us in the Spratly at our weakest point up till 2004, you clearly know you don't have the capabilities to do so


"Get it through your head, ballistic missiles and rocket that we send to your sea base runway will cripple your entire operation in the Spratly while you try to hit us won't do us any damage since we fly our jets from Vietnam mainland"


lol so your land bases are invincible like your island bases? rightttt.... your entire airforce of a whole 32 flankers hahaha im sure the PLA with its 200+ flankers is sooo very scared

--Do you have any videos of your Flankers overfly the reefs that you control in the deep South side of the Spratly? No, huh?

-Obviously your Flankers are not capable of refueling or there are only a small # of those Flankers that are capable of refueling and out of those limited # of Flankers, only a few is tasked to go to Spratly. Like I said in the other point, you have a lot of jets, but you can't commit all on them in one front. Your Guanzhou military district which is tasked to fight Vietnam and this district only has about 100 Flankers






"Yawn, your south sea fleet's subs are not that advanced my friend, in term of quality and quantity over us"


you do realize that subs can be moved. as in the north sea or east sea fleet can send subs down there too?

Your subs have to stay in the East Sea fleet for possible conflict with Taiwan/Japan/U.S and this East Sea Fleet by its number are not even capable enough to defeat the Japanese or U.S



"The magic trick here is Vietnam pound any sea base run way with ballistic missiles and rockets and your operation will cease in the SCS"

uhh, no. because SCS operations do not depend solely on any sea base, conversely if they did, then china will simply take out all your bases too. then what?

You need serious refuel to go to Spratly that's why you hopelessly are trying to build a base in the middle of the ocean to launch your jets from. If there is a shooting war, you can take out our "bases" ie islands but when we destroy your runnway/bases; you will cease your operation in the Spratly immediately due to your jets inablility to take off or landing



"Our military planners are not even losing sleep either as it can be shown by the FACT that only 24 Flankers are based near Cam Ranh for the Spratly conflict while 12 in current service+12 on order is nowhere near Cam Ranh"

wow so you mean to tell me that placing 66% of ones entire force in an area means that they are not taking the threat to that area seriously? hahahaha

That argument even works against you, LOL. Considering you have "200+ Flankers", we should base all of our 36 Flankers in Cam Ranh since we know that the possiblity of military conflict in the Spratly is very high. However, our military planners only base 12 su30 in Cam Ranh and 12 su27 in Dong Nai, which is 300 km away from Cam Ranh Bay. All in all, there are a total of 24 Flankers at Cam Ranh or near Cam Ranh for a rapid response to a conflict in Spratly. Obviously, our military planners are not losing sleep about the possibility of your jets making it to the Spratly. 12 su30 can launch a total of 48 Kh-59mk missiles while 40 su-22 can launch a total of 40 Kh-31 missiles; sound more than enough to give your surface combatants a run for their lives. It's not a surprise that the current 12 Flankers + 12 on order will be based no where near Cam Ranh



who ever said china is neglecting those front? china simply has more than enough forces for all fronts, especially land forces
-No, you don't. Your strongest enemies are the U.S & Japan. Even if you committe 100% of your entire force to fight them air and sea, you might even have problems defeating them. You will always need to keep most of your forces in reserve to face these two strongest enemies. You won't have enough to spare to go on an offense against other fronts like India, Russia, or Vietnam even if you consider these are light fronts.

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[BoQ77]

China is still not sure the victory over Taiwan by sudden attack?

 

[tbquestion]

China is still not sure the victory over Taiwan by sudden attack?

China is in no hurry to attack Taiwan, besides Taiwan has the protection of the US. Who does the Vietnamese have in their corner?

What is Vietnam going do if China refuse to remove her rig in August and instead add more rigs?

Do Vietnam have enough coast guard ships to harass five or maybe ten Chinese rigs?

Here 's one reason why China will be eating Vietnam's lunch:

try googling "israel sold advance missile technology to china" ( I don't have the privilege to post links yet)

Secret U.S. missile and electro-optics technology was transferred to China recently by Israel, prompting anger from the U.S. and causing a senior Israeli defense official to resign.

The head of defense exports for the Israeli Defense Ministry resigned after a U.S. investigation concluded that technology, including a miniature refrigeration system manufactured by Ricor and used for missiles and in electro-optic equipment, was sent to China, according to the Israeli newspaper Maariv.

Another Israeli news site, Aretz Sheva, reports the U.S. is concerned the technology could ultimately find its way to Iran, which last year sought to buy military equipment from China for its nuclear program.

Ricor, on its company website, identifies a number of defense programs using its miniature cryo-coolers, including UAVs, airborne enhanced vision systems, missile warning systems, hand-held thermal imagers and thermal weapons sights.

The Maariv report identified the Israeli defense official as Meir Shalit, and said he apologized to U.S. officials on a recent visit.

Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

 

[CN.Black]

China is still not sure the victory over Taiwan by sudden attack?

China is still not sure the victory over Taiwan by sudden attack?

Because we can solve this problem in a peaceful way.In addition,if some Southeast Asian country keeps trying our patience, we will start a war to let it know who is the leader of Asia.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

China is in no hurry to attack Taiwan, besides Taiwan has the protection of the US. Who does the Vietnamese have in their corner?

What is Vietnam going do if China refuse to remove her rig in August and instead add more rigs?

Do Vietnam have enough coast guard ships to harass five or maybe ten Chinese rigs?

Here 's one reason why China will be eating Vietnam's lunch:

try googling "israel sold advance missile technology to china" ( I don't have the privilege to post links yet)

Secret U.S. missile and electro-optics technology was transferred to China recently by Israel, prompting anger from the U.S. and causing a senior Israeli defense official to resign.

The head of defense exports for the Israeli Defense Ministry resigned after a U.S. investigation concluded that technology, including a miniature refrigeration system manufactured by Ricor and used for missiles and in electro-optic equipment, was sent to China, according to the Israeli newspaper Maariv.

Another Israeli news site, Aretz Sheva, reports the U.S. is concerned the technology could ultimately find its way to Iran, which last year sought to buy military equipment from China for its nuclear program.

Ricor, on its company website, identifies a number of defense programs using its miniature cryo-coolers, including UAVs, airborne enhanced vision systems, missile warning systems, hand-held thermal imagers and thermal weapons sights.

The Maariv report identified the Israeli defense official as Meir Shalit, and said he apologized to U.S. officials on a recent visit.

Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

The next step, China will pull its huge oil rigs to the south, near the Natuna Islands. What do you think?

 

[BoQ77]

Because we can solve this problem in a peaceful way.

Why China still protest the armament purchase of Taiwan

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China is in no hurry to attack Taiwan, besides Taiwan has the protection of the US. Who does the Vietnamese have in their corner?

What is Vietnam going do if China refuse to remove her rig in August and instead add more rigs?

Do Vietnam have enough coast guard ships to harass five or maybe ten Chinese rigs?

Here 's one reason why China will be eating Vietnam's lunch:

try googling "israel sold advance missile technology to china" ( I don't have the privilege to post links yet)

Secret U.S. missile and electro-optics technology was transferred to China recently by Israel, prompting anger from the U.S. and causing a senior Israeli defense official to resign.

The head of defense exports for the Israeli Defense Ministry resigned after a U.S. investigation concluded that technology, including a miniature refrigeration system manufactured by Ricor and used for missiles and in electro-optic equipment, was sent to China, according to the Israeli newspaper Maariv.

Another Israeli news site, Aretz Sheva, reports the U.S. is concerned the technology could ultimately find its way to Iran, which last year sought to buy military equipment from China for its nuclear program.

Ricor, on its company website, identifies a number of defense programs using its miniature cryo-coolers, including UAVs, airborne enhanced vision systems, missile warning systems, hand-held thermal imagers and thermal weapons sights.

The Maariv report identified the Israeli defense official as Meir Shalit, and said he apologized to U.S. officials on a recent visit.

Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

No more BS, do you think the NSA is running by a buch of retards or something?

 

[Viet]

Vietnam now tasted, certainly the riot services his right very well.


After Vietnam war, Vietnam copies almost every policy from China both on social and economic development; however, like on military, he only learned small tricks, without full understanding essences of Chinese culture, Vietnam only resembles in form, not alike in spirit of China. That is why so many Chinese members call them M......


Even the god may smile if i say there is an Independent thinking Vietnam.


Any one who really know Vietnam can see that this riot is caused by his internal problems: there is 0.1 billion people living in this country, but his GDP is smaller than Chinese GuangXi province which is lessdeveloped province in China, the growing social problems in economy leads the legality and stability ofVietnam Communist and its regime in trouble.


Before riot, his stock market dropped 7 percent shows capital is sensitive and making prognosis, and nodoubt the riot will enhance the fleeting of investment, and his economy will be worsen in the near future.


It is typical self destruction.


Trying to detour his internal problems by producing outside threat from China is quenching a thirst withsalty water. then will he come to China for money when next financial crisis comes? he will because he has no fame as we just saw he ceased from holding Asia Game.



Why this time Vietnam reacts so violently on 981?

Because 981 really hits his tender spot,oil form south china sea is his biggest quick income, however, his ability is limited to shallow sea oil, yet the main oil reserve is in the deep south china sea which we can see from space diagram of sea bed which is out of Vietnam's reach.


Deep water oil technique is mastered by only a few countries, China is one of these. it is not easy for Vietnam to learn such technique or to hire a oil platform which is very expensive and not profitable. on the other hand, facing the objection from china, international oil group is unwilling to challenge China. one nature of capital is to avoid risk, they did and will do.


Vietnam very fear that China master deep oil extracting skill, that will end the oil striving on SCS. now 981 appeared and Vietnam can do nothing except harassing. that is why Vietnam so excited and attacked us on ASEAN, and sent out half of his sea police ships to stop 981. the small tricks are effective after pampering media and conniving march, however, Vietnam should know Chinese old saying "Cleverness may overreach itself", since being offended openly, will we have reason now to stop deep water oil drilling?


TodayVietnam is really ashamed into anger miff, but he can not do himself as 981 can do, then he will adventure , we have to be careful and prepared.


all FBC can antiship, it is good chance to exercise, this one seems a reconnaissance plane.

you are just a clown.

 

[Nike]

No more BS, do you think the NSA is running by a buch of retards or something?

Not all of people is perfect by births, sometimes you can find some with defect

You can find Corrupt people everywhere, ready to taking some bribes and so gratification

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not all of people is perfect by births, sometimes you can find some with defect

You can find Corrupt people everywhere, ready to taking some bribes and so gratification

You think that the US technology is so easy to steal? China has developed many different technologies, do you think that we can steal them one by one?

China has been sanctioned by the US when it comes anything related to the military tech.

BTW, the US has tasted their own medicine, Russia has just sanctioned them on the rocket engine.

 

[BoQ77]

Does Taiwan have the treaty with USA? Vietnam has UN backed and is a member of UNSC, UNCLOS follower. The case would be monitored by whole world, China would be condemned by all

 

[EastSea]

Because we can solve this problem in a peaceful way.In addition,if some Southeast Asian country keeps trying our patience, we will start a war to let it know who is the leader of Asia.

bad, stupid boy can not be leader of Asia.

 

[BoQ77]

bad, stupid boy can not be leader of Asia.

They are Asia eater

 

[Nike]

You think that the US technology is so easy to steal? China has developed many different technologies, do you think that we can steal them one by one?

China has been sanctioned by the US when it comes anything related to the military tech.

BTW, the US has tasted their own medicine, Russia has just sanctioned them on the rocket engine.

do you think US doesn't have rocket engines technologies?

they can made it, and it just incidentally Russian made is more cheaper than theirs