South China Sea Forum

[Sanchez]

LOL...are we now in a history teaching class?

Vietnam has many names in the long history, more than 2 dozens. The term "Việt" is cognate with the Chinese word "Yue", a name applied in ancient times to various non-Chinese groups who lived in what is now southern China and northern Vietnam.


2879–2524 BC Xích Quỷ
2524–258 BC Văn Lang
257–207 BC Âu Lạc
207–111 BC Nam Việt
111 BC–39 AD Giao Chỉ
40–43 Lĩnh Nam
43–299 Giao Chỉ
299–544 Giao Châu
544–602 Vạn Xuân
602–679 Giao Châu
679–757 An Nam
757–766 Trấn Nam
766–866 An Nam
866–967 Tĩnh Hải quân
968–1054 Đại Cồ Việt
1054–1400 Đại Việt
1400–1407 Đại Ngu
1407–1427 Giao Chỉ
1428–1804 Đại Việt
1804–1839 Việt Nam
1839–1887 Đại Nam
1887–1945 French Indochina (Tonkin, Annam, & Cochinchina)
from 1945 Việt Nam



Actually at the beginning of 1800 century the Nguyen Emperor wanted to name the country as "Nam Viet", but China opposed it because it feared Vietnam could claim South of China.

Nam-Viet 200bc

It's wrong to claim Nam Viet as part of your history. It was purely Chinese kindom in South China, and later they extended their territory into present day Vietnam. You could play around your first thousand years being Chinese and the second thousand years under Chinese, funny isn't it?

LOL...are we now in a history teaching class?

Vietnam has many names in the long history, more than 2 dozens. The term "Việt" is cognate with the Chinese word "Yue", a name applied in ancient times to various non-Chinese groups who lived in what is now southern China and northern Vietnam.


2879–2524 BC Xích Quỷ
2524–258 BC Văn Lang
257–207 BC Âu Lạc
207–111 BC Nam Việt
111 BC–39 AD Giao Chỉ
40–43 Lĩnh Nam
43–299 Giao Chỉ
299–544 Giao Châu
544–602 Vạn Xuân
602–679 Giao Châu
679–757 An Nam
757–766 Trấn Nam
766–866 An Nam
866–967 Tĩnh Hải quân
968–1054 Đại Cồ Việt
1054–1400 Đại Việt
1400–1407 Đại Ngu
1407–1427 Giao Chỉ
1428–1804 Đại Việt
1804–1839 Việt Nam
1839–1887 Đại Nam
1887–1945 French Indochina (Tonkin, Annam, & Cochinchina)
from 1945 Việt Nam



Actually at the beginning of 1800 century the Nguyen Emperor wanted to name the country as "Nam Viet", but China opposed it because it feared Vietnam could claim South of China.

Nam-Viet 200bc

It's wrong to claim Nam Viet as part of your history. It was purely Chinese kindom in South China, and later they extended their territory into present day Vietnam. You could play around your first thousand years being Chinese and the second thousand years under Chinese, funny isn't it?

 

[ViXuyen]

The only country that is big and strong enough to assert leadership in SE Asia is Indonesia, not the puny little Vietcongs. So the term "Vietnam led" does not make sense. Saved it.



The American military in Japan is the veto power itself.



Stop being delusional that you have nuclear weapons. Vietcong is very weak besides digging rat holes. Follow the lead of Indonesia and Malaysia.

And China is keep losing over and over again to the weak and puny Viet Cong throughout history; how pathetic can it get for a Supa Bowah or supa bowah wannabe

 

[Fsjal]

China denies starting fire on Vietnamese fishing boat | World news | guardian.co.uk


China has admitted firing flares at a Vietnamese fishing boat but denied the vessel caught fire as a result during a confrontation in disputed waters of the South China Sea.

Sailors on board a Chinese navy craft fired two flares at four Vietnamese boats that had earlier failed to respond to whistles, shouts and signal flags demanding that they cease fishing and leave the area, which China claims as its territorial waters, the defence ministry in Beijing said in a statement.

It said the ships were fishing off the Paracel Islands, which China regards as its own, on 20 March and both flares burned out in the air. Chinese forces did not fire weapons and no Vietnamese boats caught fire, the ministry said.

Vietnam also claims the Paracels and has said one of the boat's cabins caught fire in the incident, which it called "very serious". The government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi seeking compensation for the alleged damage and punishment of the Chinese sailors responsible.

Vietnam says the fishing boat was near the Paracels when an unidentified Chinese vessel chased it and fired the flare. China's navy responded that this was a "complete fabrication".

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said on Tuesday that China had taken unspecified but "legitimate and reasonable" actions against Vietnamese boats working illegally in Chinese waters. He denied that any boats had been damaged.

Vietnam and China each claim large parts of the South China Sea. The Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei also maintain that parts of the sea are theirs.

Meanwhile China says its navy visited its southernmost territorial claim during military drills in the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

The visit to James Shoal followed exercises that began on Saturday marking a high-profile show of China's determination to stake its claim to territory in the area.

The official People's Daily online said on Wednesday that one destroyer, two frigates and an amphibious landing ship took part in the drills around Chinese-controlled outcroppings. They involved hovercraft, ship-borne helicopters, amphibious tanks and land-based fighters and bombers, and were followed by a ceremonial visit on Tuesday to James Shoal farther south.

The area is surrounded by shipping lanes and rich fishing grounds claimed in whole or in part by neighbouring countries.

And China is keep losing over and over again to the weak and puny Viet Cong throughout history; how pathetic can it get for a Supa Bowah or supa bowah wannabe

Vietnam is definitely a Supa Dupa Hypa Bowah

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

The South China Sea, pivots and Indonesia
Chappy Hakim, Jakarta | Opinion | Wed, April 03 2013, 11:01 AM


In the last three years, there have been a lot of seminars, workshops and panel discussions on the same topic, namely the South China Sea.

At a domestic level, Indonesia has held discussions on the South China Sea five times. These discussions were not taken lightly. Even experts from developed countries were invited to participate to provide more insight. The South China Sea is a very popular issue that most everyone, including the person on the street, has been talking about zealously.

The competing claims in the South China Sea are not something new. The area borders a great number of nations; naturally, it has been a long-standing source of conflicts. Disputes over several competing claims for various parts of the area are unlikely to be resolved within the short term.

There are a number of reasons behind these claims. Take, for example, the dispute over the Spratly Islands — an area comprising 45 islands, which has been claimed in whole or in part by Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, The Philippines and even Brunei Darussalam.

One could imagine the scale of complications when dealing with such claims. Not to mention China, which forwarded its bid on the islands based on claims dating from the 15th century and the Ming Dynasty. So the potential for conflict has been there all along. For decades, nations around the South China Sea have used the issue of competing claims as a reason to prepare their armies for battle.

One interesting point is that in the past two or three years, discussion of the claims have typically been followed by discussions of the US’ so-called Asia pivot. The US position has been affected by its economic problems, to the extent that the two men campaigning to be president last year put forward their differing views about China, either as a friend or foe. This happened simultaneously with the emergence of China’s economic power, which has consequently been accompanied by a massive increase in China’s defense budget and defense capabilities.

The last factor is a crucial, propelling the US to shift its attention to Asia under the aegis of the pivot, which several observers have said was a manifestation of US concerns on China’s growing influence and power. Others, meanwhile, have opined that the pivot was driven by the trauma caused by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor during World War II. Thomas Friedman even described the surprise attack as the origins of American military failure.

Developments were taken to a new level when reports surfaced about a potential revitalization of the US’ former military bases at Clark Field and Subic Bay in the Philippines, which some said would be done to bolster the US defense position in Singapore.

The most shocking reports have been that US Marines might be posted with US military aircraft to Darwin, Australia, with the mission of natural disaster management. This is absurd, as there has never been such a precedent.

As if all this news was not alarming enough, Indonesia has had the privilege to be the recipient of a US grant for a huge number of American-made F-16 jet fighters. This is an unthinkable “kindness”, as previously the Air Force has had extreme difficulties in even getting spare parts for such fighter aircraft. Other reports say that Indonesia will be granted C-130H Hercules aircraft from Australia.

Meanwhile, the US Congress’ unanimous approval of the purchase of AH-64 Apache attack helicopters by the Indonesian Military (TNI) has added another level of complication. A statement by the deputy defense minister that the purchase was not done in response to a US offer but instead to bolster the TNI’s defensive posture has stirred up the situation further.

Unconsciously or not, can all these reports above be understood as part of the US pivot to Asia? People are starting to wonder why now. Given that the South China Sea has been a source of potential conflict for decades, why has the US decided to act now? Is it due to American fears over Chinese economic growth?

One thing for sure, the locus of economic development has shifted, slowly but surely, from the Atlantic to the Indian and Pacific Oceans. The question for us to answer is how can the South China Sea disputes benefit Indonesia, economically or otherwise?

The writer is a former Air Force chief of staff.

The South China Sea, pivots and Indonesia | The Jakarta Post

 

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CMS 8003 launched：

 

[cirr]

Mass production of 300-tonne CFA ships begins：

Belonging to the CMS's Guangxi Autonomous Region Fleet, these vessels will mainly be deployed in the Beibu Bay and drive away or detain illegal fishing boats from Vietnam.

 

[hurt]

Mass production of 300-tonne CFA ships begins：

Belonging to the CMS's Guangxi Autonomous Region Fleet, these vessels will mainly be deployed in the Beibu Bay and drive away or detain illegal fishing boats from Vietnam.

Same type

 

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CMS 8003 launched：

 

[Viet]

It's wrong to claim Nam Viet as part of your history. It was purely Chinese kindom in South China, and later they extended their territory into present day Vietnam. You could play around your first thousand years being Chinese and the second thousand years under Chinese, funny isn't it?

You are wrong. Nam Viet had been an independent country as it did not follow any orders and commands from Han´s. Nam Viet was populated by the Yue´s from South China, and the Viets from North Vietnam. The tribes Yue/Viet make up 90 per cent of Vietnam´s polulation today. And you say: Nam Viet cannot be as part of our history?

Well, for a long period of time many Vietnam´s emperors had seen the country as South China Kingdom or part of Sinosphere. So you are right in this part. You could say: there were two China´s: North and South China.

Sinosphere

 

[hurt]

You are wrong. Nam Viet had been an independent country as it did not follow any orders and commands from Han´s. Nam Viet was populated by the Yue´s from South China, and the Viets from North Vietnam. The tribes Yue/Viet make up 90 per cent of Vietnam´s polulation today. And you say: Nam Viet cannot be as part of our history?

Well, for a long period of time many Vietnam´s emperors had seen the country as South China Kingdom or part of Sinosphere. So you are right in this part. You could say: there were two China´s: North and South China.

Sinosphere

没文化

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You are wrong. Nam Viet had been an independent country as it did not follow any orders and commands from Han´s. Nam Viet was populated by the Yue´s from South China, and the Viets from North Vietnam. The tribes Yue/Viet make up 90 per cent of Vietnam´s polulation today. And you say: Nam Viet cannot be as part of our history?

Well, for a long period of time many Vietnam´s emperors had seen the country as South China Kingdom or part of Sinosphere. So you are right in this part. You could say: there were two China´s: North and South China.

Sinosphere

South China and North China as two countries exists only in your imagination.

 

[hurt]

You are wrong. Nam Viet had been an independent country as it did not follow any orders and commands from Han´s. Nam Viet was populated by the Yue´s from South China, and the Viets from North Vietnam. The tribes Yue/Viet make up 90 per cent of Vietnam´s polulation today. And you say: Nam Viet cannot be as part of our history?

Well, for a long period of time many Vietnam´s emperors had seen the country as South China Kingdom or part of Sinosphere. So you are right in this part. You could say: there were two China´s: North and South China.

The king of Nanyue is Zhao Tuo.
Zhao was born in around 230 BC in Zhending,which is in Hebei province nowadays,

 

[Viet]

South China and North China as two countries exists only in your imagination.

No, that picture was seen by many Vietnamese emperors. Sure, China was not amused.

Noon gate at Hue citadel in Central Vietnam

 

[NiceGuy]

No sighting of Chinese warships near waters, says KL
Yong Yen Nie
The Straits Times
Publication Date : 02-04-2013

The Malaysian government said its navy did not notice Chinese warships near its waters last Tuesday, despite China's assertion that it had sent four ships carrying troops and helicopters to the southernmost tip of its territorial claims in the South China Sea.

China had said its warships had gone to James Shoal, some 80km from Malaysian waters.

Malaysia's Foreign Ministry said it has taken note of the reports from Chinese state media but declined to comment further.

"Malaysia conducts regular patrols in the South China Sea but upon checking with the Royal Malaysian Navy and Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency, they did not report any sightings of the said Chinese navy ships within the vicinity of Malaysia," the spokesman for Wisma Putra, or the foreign ministry, told The Straits Times yesterday.

In an unprecedented move, Beijing undertook naval exercises at the southernmost point of its claims in the disputed waters, with its naval crew pledging to protect China's territorial sovereignty in the South China Sea.

Observers say this was the first time Chinese state media had publicised the naval theatrics and could be sending a signal to South-east Asian countries that it might resort to using force to get the islands.

Apart from China's navy possibly not entering waters claimed by Malaysia itself, analysts say another reason why Kuala Lumpur is downplaying China's move could be that it is currently focused on domestic affairs, with general elections just weeks away and the government still cracking down on Sulu militants in Sabah.

"The Malaysian government is seen to have turned more inward by focusing on domestic policies in recent years and it is more important for the government to drive out the Sulu militants and monitor people's movements in Sabah than respond to external movements at this point in time," Dr Joseph Liow, Associate Dean of the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Nanyang Technological University, told The Straits Times.

Some 200 militants intruded into Sabah nearly two months ago, pressing long-ago claims on parts of the state.

The disruption has caused unhappiness among locals in Sabah, traditionally the ruling Barisan Nasional's stronghold in winning federal power in the general elections.

So "it's not surprising that Malaysia may not have kept its eye on the ball on the Chinese naval fleet's movement off Malaysia's coast," Dr Liow said.

Maritime analysts say the naval exercises could be an annual affair, as China steps up its territorial claims on the South China Sea islands, with parts also claimed by Vietnam and the Philippines.

Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia have also laid claim to the nearby islands.

"There is little Southeast Asian countries can do about it, as none of the Asean countries have the size or resources to take on China," Dr Hamzah Ahmad, an academic specialising in maritime law and security at Universiti Malaya, told The Straits Times.

"Malaysia is likely to avoid confrontation with China so long as the economic ties China has with the region are not disrupted."
http://www.asianewsnet.net/No-sighting-of-Chinese-warships-near-waters-says-K-44876.html

It seems like Mr. 'Ah Q 'Xi Jinping made a Fake news in Jame shoal to fool all Chinese peasants

 

[Viet]

China, ASEAN agree to develop code of conduct in South China Sea


(Xinhua)
10:25, April 03, 2013

BEIJING, April 2 (Xinhua) -- All participants in the 19th China-ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) Senior Officials' Consultation have agreed to work toward a code of conduct in the South China Sea.

A Chinese Foreign Ministry press release on Tuesday said after the conclusion of the consultation it was agreed that all parties will commit themselves to fully implement the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea.

They will make joint efforts toward "a code of conduct in the South China Sea" and continue to exchange views on the issue.

According to the press release, China and ASEAN also agreed to co-host celebrations on the 10th anniversary of the establishment of the China-ASEAN strategic partnership and further expand friendly communication and cooperation in all fields.