South China Sea Forum

[EastSea]

Keep saying that to yourself and maybe we'll let you look at it once in a while.


No, we're not going to evict them within a day. This is just the beginning. We kept silent for the longest time to avoid confrontations, but they took it as a sign of weakness. Now that they realized China isn't going to let them off the hook, they ***** and cry about going to court.

Chinese was silent in the past because China didn't have right to claim, in facts chinese didn't considered Island belong to China. In old book of china our East Sea was called as Jiao Zhi Sea, the Sea of Giao Chi people (Kochi or Cơ Chỉ the ancient time, Kochi is word came from South Asia). Vietnam controlled peacefully, officially from many hundreds years in the past.

 

[S10]

Chinese was silent in the past because China didn't have right to claim, in facts chinese didn't considered Island belong to China. In old book of china our East Sea was called as Jiao Zhi Sea, the Sea of Giao Chi people (Kochi or Cơ Chỉ the ancient time, Kochi is word came from South Asia). Vietnam controlled peacefully, officially from many hundreds years in the past.

We maintained the same claim since 1949. We kept quiet hoping to faciliate better relationship in the past, but you took advantage of that. Now you are going to pay for your crimes. Also, South China Sea was called 涨海、沸海 in ancient China, that Jiao Zhi Sea claim is a lie. We have sailed the sea since Eastern Han dynasty, when you are still cave monkeys.

 

[Rechoice]

We maintained the same claim since 1949. We kept quiet hoping to faciliate better relationship in the past, but you took advantage of that. Now you are going to pay for your crimes. Also, South China Sea was called 涨海、沸海 in ancient China, that Jiao Zhi Sea claim is a lie. We have sailed the sea since Eastern Han dynasty, when you are still cave monkeys.

Lying is chinese character.
Here under is Chinese map in book "wo bi zhi" printed in China. It's stating "Jiao Zhi Yang" in map.

These old Chinese maps from Chinese historical sources (from 1561 until 1909) indicate that the southernmost border of China ends with Hainan Island. No where does it indicate that the archipelagos of Paracel and Spratly were a part of China. This is in contrast to the ancient maps of Vietnam, which all depicted clearly that these two archipelagos were part of Vietnam.

Here under is the map " Full map of United Great Viet".

 

[Zero_wing]

We maintained the same claim since 1949. We kept quiet hoping to faciliate better relationship in the past, but you took advantage of that. Now you are going to pay for your crimes. Also, South China Sea was called 涨海、沸海 in ancient China, that Jiao Zhi Sea claim is a lie. We have sailed the sea since Eastern Han dynasty, when you are still cave monkeys.

Wow your idea of peace blow my mind imperialist

 

[Viet]

We maintained the same claim since 1949. We kept quiet hoping to faciliate better relationship in the past, but you took advantage of that. Now you are going to pay for your crimes. Also, South China Sea was called 涨海、沸海 in ancient China, that Jiao Zhi Sea claim is a lie. We have sailed the sea since Eastern Han dynasty, when you are still cave monkeys.

You idiot!

Where did you get your education? in a CCP youth school or in the Red guard?

Eastern Han dynasty began since 25 AD, whereas Vietnam´s Hung Emperor dated back since 2800 BC! Ancient Vietnam was one of the first country which did wet-rice cultivation. Check the map of the Han´s: no islands were drawn in the southern sea!

 

[Minjitta]

I don't quite understand something. What is the Chinese claim to Spratly Island?

I would understand the Chinese have stake in the paracel as they are close to Hainan Island. But to claim spratly island which is that further out to sea. what stake the claim?

I don't mean to agrue but i honeslt don't know.

Dont worry China News claim Hawaii belong to China too so dont be surprise.LOL

 

[Kolaps]

Because 100 years ago, no one own these islands. And Republic of China was the first who claimed, while at the time, there was no modern country of Vietnam, Philippine and Malaysia.

If the recent established Vietnam and Philippine can easily claim islands that already belong to someone else, theoretically, based on this thinking, not just China, everyone can claim Hawaii as well and another islands. What a chaos.

 

[Rechoice]

Because 100 years ago, no one own these islands. And Republic of China was the first who claimed, while at the time, there was no modern country of Vietnam, Philippine and Malaysia.

If the recent established Vietnam and Philippine can easily claim islands that already belong to someone else, theoretically, based on this thinking, not just China, everyone can claim Hawaii as well and another islands. What a chaos.

You lies.
Full map of United Vietnam of Nguyen Dynasty from 1836 stating that Islands are part of Vietnam.

 

[Kolaps]

That is the main problem with Vietnam. Their claim is based on old territory from the Nguyen Dynasty, not modern territory from French colonial period.

 

[Viet]

That is the main problem with Vietnam. Their claim is based on old territory from the Nguyen Dynasty, not modern territory from French colonial period.

Why should it be a problem?

China occupied and ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years, while France for 100 years. Vietnam was and is always Vietnam, so its claims. The soul and characters of a nation matter. Considering the 5,000 years history of Vietnam, the times were just a moment of time.

 

[Rechoice]

That is the main problem with Vietnam. Their claim is based on old territory from the Nguyen Dynasty, not modern territory from French colonial period.

idiot, you have to learn more to troll nonsens here.
Nguyen Kingdom of Vietnam is officially existed until 1945. France was protectorate to Nguyen Kingdom Vietnam's only.

Vietnamese were living in Hoang Sa in the time.

 

[Kolaps]

What about this:

"Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea (September 4， 1958)" in Chinese.

中华人民共和国政府宣布

　　（一）中华人民共和国的领海宽度为12海里。这项规定适用于中华人民共和国的一切领土，包括中国大陆及 其沿海岛屿，和同大陆及其沿海岛屿隔有公海的台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、中沙群岛、 南沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

　　（二）中国大陆及其沿海岛屿的领海以连接大陆岸上和沿海岸外缘岛屿上各基点之间的各直线为基线，从基线 向外延伸12海里的水域是中国的领海。在基线以内的水域，包括渤海湾、琼州海峡在内、都是中国的内海、在基 线以内的岛屿，包括东引岛、高登岛、马祖列岛、白犬列岛、乌岳岛、大小金门岛、大担岛、二担岛、东碇岛在内 ，都是中国的内海。

　　（三）一切外国飞机和军用船舶，未经中华人民共和国政府的许可，不得进入中国的领海和领海 上空。

　　任何外国船舶在中国领海航行，必须遵守中华人民共和国政府的有关法令。

　　（四）以上（一）（二）两项规定的原则同样适用于台湾及其周围各岛、澎湖列岛、东沙群岛、西沙群岛、南 沙群岛以及其他属于中国的岛屿。

　　台湾和澎湖地区现在仍然被美国武力侵占，这是侵犯中华人民共和国领土完整的和主权的非法行为。台湾和澎 湖等地尚待收复，中华人民共和国政府有权采取一切适当的方法在适当的时候，收复这些地区，这是中国的内政， 不容外国干涉。

English translation:

Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on China's Territorial Sea （September 4， 1958）

　　The Government of the People's Republic of China declares：

　　1. The breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China shall be twelve nautical miles. This provision applies to all territories of the People's Republic of China including the Chinese mainland and its coastal islands， as well as Taiwan and its surrounding islands， the Penghu Islands， the Dongsha Islands， the Xisha Islands， the Zhongsha Islands， the Nansha Islands and all other islands belonging to China which are separated from the mainland and its coastal islands by the high seas.

2. China's territorial sea along the mainland and its coastal islands takes as its baseline the line composed of the straight lines connecting bas-points on the mainland coast and on the outermost coastal islands； the water area extending twelve nautical miles outward from this baseline is China's territorial sea. The water areas inside the baseline， including Bohai Bayand the Chiung chow Straits， are Chinese inland waters. The islands inside the base line， including Tungyin Island， Kaoteng Island， the Matsu Islands， the Paichuan Islands， Wuchiu Island， the Grater And Lesser Quemoy Islands， Tatan Island， Erhtan Island and Tungting Island， are islands of the Chinese inland waters.

　　3. No foreign aircraft and no foreign vessels for military use may enter China's territorial sea and the air space above it without the permission of the Government of the People's Republic of China.

　　While navigation Chinese territorial sea， every foreign vessel must observe the relevant laws of the People's Republic of China and regulations of its government.

　　4. The principles provided in paragraphs （2） and （3） apply also to Taiwan and its surrounding islands， the Penghu Islands， the Dongsha Islands， the Xisha Islands， the Zhongsha Islands， the Nansha islands， and all other islands belonging to China.

　　The Taiwan and Penghu areas are still occupied by the United States armed force. This is anunlawful encroachment on the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the People's Republic of China. Taiwan， Penghu and such other areas are yet to be recovered， and the Government of the People's Republic of china has the right to recover these area by all suitable means at a suitable time. This is China's internal affair， in which no foreign interference is tolerated.

Vietnam respond:

Translation:

The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's Government agreed to terms of China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim.The Democratic Republic of Vietnam Government respect it, and will direct all Agencies to absolute respect the 12 nautical miles sea territory of China in all matters with the People's Republic of China in the East Sea.

sincerely.

Hanoi 14-9-1958.

Well, it's not Republic of China document, but People's Republic of China.

 

[Rechoice]

Chinese can stop lying about nature of such letter from Noth VN PM.

following the Geneva Agreement 1954, Vietnam was divided in two states: North Vietnam and South Vietnam. China PRC and North Vietnam signed it. The Islands Paracel and Spratly belong to South Vietnam. North Vietnam didn't have right over Island of South Vietnam. In the same case, North Korea can not agree that Dokdo belong to Japan.

In the letter of North Vietnam PM stated that north Vietnam agreed and respected 12 sea mile for coast-line only and didn't mentioned about Islands (wording is "China's Territorial Sea" in China's Decraration" stated. . This letter is invalid for China PRC claim Islands of Vietnam today. In the past, Taiwan recognized South Vietnam as Independence state. 1956 when Taiwanese illegally occupied Itu Aba of South Vietnam, Republic of Vietnam has been protested this action.

 

[Kolaps]

Chinese can stop lying about nature of such letter from Noth VN PM.

following the Geneva Agreement 1954, Vietnam was divided in two states: North Vietnam and South Vietnam. China PRC and North Vietnam signed it. The Islands Paracel and Spratly belong to South Vietnam. North Vietnam didn't have right over Island of South Vietnam. In the same case, North Korea can not agree that Dokdo belong to Japan.

In the letter of North Vietnam PM stated that north Vietnam agreed and respected 12 sea mile for coast-line only and didn't mentioned about Islands (wording is "China's Territorial Sea" in China's Decraration" stated. . This letter is invalid for China PRC claim Islands of Vietnam today. In the past, Taiwan recognized South Vietnam as Independence state. 1956 when Taiwanese illegally occupied Itu Aba of South Vietnam, Republic of Vietnam has been protested this action.

You mean Vietnam didn't exist before the united Vietnam? And all Vietnam claim before that is not valid?

Well, Republic of China is continuing exist since 1911.

 

[Zero_wing]

You mean Vietnam didn't exist before the united Vietnam? And all Vietnam claim before that is not valid?

Well, Republic of China is continuing exist since 1911.

Sir it does not matter how old a country is we have rules here its called international law UNCLOS is one of them you can't claim all of the Islands and a whole sea too no country on earth has done that ad yet both you nationalist and communist insist to follow your own rules you people have no rights to say which is not valid because your claim are no valid in fact its not even logical and last time i check china is a land mass not archipelago so my country has great chance to claim ownership of some of the islands under our EZZ for Vietnam maybe some close to them but not all but for china and Taiwan obviously none one is a landmass which does not have huge EZZ or anything and historical rights is not evidence in international court and china has no jurisdiction over the area we did its just recently because china has build more ship and harass people in the are including mine Taiwan is just claiming no harassment from you guys thank god for that but still like china too far away and too impossible establish one and your political situation is problem too your the Republic of china not the Republic of Taiwan so your the real Government of China not People's republic so please solve that one first and then be more lawful and go to ITCLOS as mandated by International Law.